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Thread: Trump says he wants immigrants 'who speak English' and won't 'collect welfare'

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    Trump says he wants immigrants 'who speak English' and won't 'collect welfare'

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=48985055

    Trump's own Grandfather came to the US a broke teen (sixteen years old) and unable to speak English (he was German). He would reject his own ancestor. His grandmother was Scottish but used mostly the local drogue and had troubles with English too. If what Trump wants was in effect back then, Trump would likely not be in the US.

    President Trump introduced legislation today with Sens. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., and David Perdue, R-Ga., aimed at cutting legal immigration to the United States.

    The bill — a revised version of an immigration-reform bill introduced in February — would change the system for granting legal residency, or green cards, by giving priority to high-skilled, English-speaking immigrants.

    "This competitive application process will favor applicants who can speak English, financially support themselves and their families and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy," Trump said today at the White House alongside Cotton and Perdue.

    Trump, who promised during his election campaign to reform the immigration system, argued that the bill, called the Reforming American Immigration for Strong Employment (RAISE) Act, would replace "our low-skilled [immigration] system with a points-based system."

    "They're not going to come in and immediately go and collect welfare," he said.

    Under a 1996 welfare reform bill signed by President Clinton, legal immigrants are already barred from receiving government benefits for five years or longer. Some exceptions include children and human trafficking victims who allowed to collect certain benefits.

    The RAISE Act would establish a point-based system for issuing green cards and would give more points to people who are highly skilled — which, Trump suggested, would reduce the number of immigrants receiving government benefits.
    http://theweek.com/articles/580042/a...r-donald-trump

    Like most Americans, Donald Trump comes from immigrant stock, and as in most families, their story is a complicated one, with many chapters. But during Trump's anti-immigrant tirades, he failed to mention even such basics as the fact that his mother, Mary Anne McLeod Trump, was born in Scotland, that he is named after a Scotsman (a maternal uncle), and that he has boasted of his tie to this foreign country repeatedly when publicizing his golf courses there.

    More important, his black-and-white denunciations give no hint that his financial empire traces its origins back to the shrewdness with which his grandfather, Friedrich Trump, finagled his way around the rough-and-tumble New World after emigrating from the small German village of Kallstadt. The year was 1885, and Friedrich, who was only 16 when he landed in New York City, belonged to a wave of German immigrants that, again according to the Pew Research Center, made that country the largest source of newcomers to the U.S. for more than four decades.

    Being born in Germany wasn't a problem when Friedrich arrived in the United States. He went on to become an American citizen and to amass a nest egg — the first Trump family fortune — by "mining the miners" in Seattle and the Yukon during the gold-rush era. Rather than dig for ore himself, he opened restaurants, often in the red-light district, and supplied booze and easy access to women. Although such behavior does not rise to the level of the criminal activity grandson Donald claims is rampant among immigrants from Mexico, the local North West Mounted Police superintendent found it unacceptable — and in 1901, when he announced a clean-up, Friedrich pulled up stakes and headed back to New York.

    That's when he hit his first major bump in the road, in the form of a dilemma that often arises in immigrant communities: Friedrich had adjusted to life in his new home, but his wife Elizabeth, also from Kallstadt, had not. Although Germans were the biggest ethnic group in the U.S. and New York City had the third-largest number of German speakers in the world, behind only Berlin and Vienna, Elizabeth was desperately homesick. Friedrich did his best to make her feel at home in the U.S., but ultimately, in 1904, he, Elizabeth, and their infant daughter headed back to Germany — what Mitt Romney would have called "voluntary self-deportation."



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    Back in Trump's ancestors' day there was no welfare and all official business was conducted in English, until we get back to those conditions his statement is eminently reasonable.
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    I agree with Zippy. Trump's requirements are totally unreasonable.

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    "Trump's father/mother blah, blah, blah..."
    This a stupid narrative.
    "This competitive application process will favor applicants who can speak English, financially support themselves and their families and demonstrate skills that will contribute to our economy,"...
    It doesn't say all non-english speakers will be automatically rejected.

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    *Trump says he wants immigrants 'who speak English' and won't 'collect welfare'
    Oh no, that's so unreasonable! So cruel! Bleeding hearts will bleed...
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    I agree , abolish welfare .

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    My grandparents were immigrants who came here legally, they learned the language and they never collected welfare even when they were destitute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    My grandparents were immigrants who came here legally, they learned the language and they never collected welfare even when they were destitute.
    I'd guess most of us could tell a similar story.

    My grandfather came over on the boat, alone, when he was 11 years old. It was up to a family member who had come earlier, to go find him and help set him up to start living here and learn english. When he was 18, he was attacked by a mob and strung up over an acid bath because he had a german name - they wanted to kill him. (Fortunately, some older worker intervened) - But until relatively recently, even legal immigrants got no free legal help, or public advocates, no food stamps, welfare, english lessons, no free apartment, no free medical care - zilch! You were on your own. No big deal - that's just the way it was.

    My grandmother was even born here, but had to quit school after the 5th grade so she could help support her family.

    Politicians and people who come here today, have absolutely no idea how well they are treated - and why people get pissed about paying for all their freebies after having watched their own family members take care of themselves without complaining to the government.

    (and to top it off, later, the government caused a depression and then, stole their gold!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Back in Trump's ancestors' day there was no welfare and all official business was conducted in English, until we get back to those conditions his statement is eminently reasonable.
    Except that immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives and collect less per capita in welfare than natives...

    ...other than that, yes, they're the source of our problems.

    And, well, ...the entire welfare-regulatory state was voted into being long before 3rd world immigration by an overwhelmingly European electorate.

    ...whose ancestors in Europe were responsible for 1789 and 1917 and the entire modern communist movement.

    But, other than that, the beaners are clearly the problem, because...

    ...what kind of monster would want inexpensive tomatoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Except that immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives and collect less per capita in welfare than natives...

    ...other than that, yes, they're the source of our problems.

    And, well, ...the entire welfare-regulatory state was voted into being long before 3rd world immigration by an overwhelmingly European electorate.

    ...whose ancestors in Europe were responsible for 1789 and 1917 and the entire modern communist movement.

    But, other than that, the beaners are clearly the problem, because...

    ...what kind of monster would want inexpensive tomatoes?
    Welcome back rev 3.0. In case you were curious your drivel wasn't missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    My grandparents were immigrants who came here legally, they learned the language and they never collected welfare even when they were destitute.
    Too proud to beg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Except that immigrants are more likely to be employed than natives and collect less per capita in welfare than natives...
    So R3 is arguing that there is no reason reason oppose such a preference for immigrants who have the means or ability to support themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    So R3 is arguing that there is no reason reason oppose such a preference for immigrants who have the means or ability to support themselves.
    R3 is arguing that there is tremendous hypocrisy hypocrisy in people getting hopped up about immigrant welfare while voting to sustain their own. The current POTUS, for instance, ran on a platform at once anti-immigrant and pro-welfare-for-Americans (protectionism, not touching SS/Medicare).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    So R3 is arguing that there is no reason reason oppose such a preference for immigrants who have the means or ability to support themselves.
    No thats not what he said at all, he looked at the root of the problem logistically. If people only oppose immigration when the economy is bad that doesn't mean there is a correlation. It's good to debate these things and look at the argument honestly. If people are against unlimited immigration when our economy is booming, then thats a different story. If you are against unlimited immigration but advocating it to fix the economy you are being dishonest. If the economy gets worse when there is an influx of cheap labor then there is something wrong with the economy and our government, don't you agree? Maybe we should debate reasons why that might be the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I agree with Zippy. Trump's requirements are totally unreasonable.
    Its true. Considering USA is an English speaking nation, it is completely absurd to show a preference for immigrants that have made the effort to become proficient in English. Its so much more advantageous to not know English in an English speaking country.
    For immigrants coming to the USA preference should be given to those that took the time to become proficient in Russian and Chinese. That makes so much more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump says he wants immigrants 'who speak English' and won't 'collect welfare'
    I want a government that wont provide any welfare.
    (among lots of other things)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Its true. Considering USA is an English speaking nation, it is completely absurd to show a preference for immigrants that have made the effort to become proficient in English. Its so much more advantageous to not know English in an English speaking country.
    For immigrants coming to the USA preference should be given to those that took the time to become proficient in Russian and Chinese. That makes so much more sense.
    I don't know bringing in all of these bilingual people might be bad for American's jobs. Maybe the preference should be people that speak only English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    I want a government that wont provide any welfare.
    Protectionism is welfare; it is simply unionism on an international scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Protectionism is welfare; it is simply unionism on an international scale.
    Agree. Social cohesion is a terrible thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Protectionism is welfare ...
    Trade protectionism is welfare. Government is welfare. Taxes are theft.

    Monarchy is welfare. Too bad the guy that advocates for total monarchy cant see that monarchy is also welfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Trade protectionism is welfare. Government is welfare. Taxes are theft.

    Monarchy is welfare. Too bad the guy that advocates for total monarchy cant see that monarchy is also welfare.
    The state's unavoidable.

    The question here is: what should the state do with respect to international movement of goods and people.

    I'm advocating for a market.

    You are, evidently, begging for state protection of select industries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Trade protectionism is welfare. Government is welfare. Taxes are theft.

    Monarchy is welfare. Too bad the guy that advocates for total monarchy cant see that monarchy is also welfare.
    If we had a king of the world there would be no need for protectionism.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    If we had a king of the world there would be no need for protectionism.
    What would happen to American exceptionalism?



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The state's unavoidable. (snip)

    .
    Not true, I avoid it to a remarkable degree.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    What would happen to American exceptionalism?
    Easy, we just call the whole world America. It's now a exceptional planet.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Easy, we just call the whole world America. It's now a exceptional planet.
    I think there is a recent thread dedicated to this concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Easy, we just call the whole world America. It's now a exceptional planet.
    If I have a ship named "America" and over the years I replace every single piece of it with $#@!, is it the same ship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    If I have a ship named "America" and over the years I replace every single piece of it with $#@!, is it the same ship?
    They put the ship, USS America that I spent ten days on once, three miles down off the coast of North Carolina

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    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    They put the ship, USS America that I spent ten days on once, three miles down off the coast of North Carolina
    This one - http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=71?

    "America will make one final and vital contribution to our national defense, this time as a live-fire test and evaluation platform.
    They say it is a little bit farther away from the coast - 300 miles. https://binged.it/2rgOMxR
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