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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    According to one of your links, five cases in the US which has 330 million people. Outside of Japan- a total of eight including the US five. Yes, that is rare. Extremely so.

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/n...amiflu-warning



    It also notes:
    LOL! Cunningly worded by the protection teams. Where's the black box warning? The Tamiflu inserts does not even mention this rare event.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  3. #32
    Another Case Of Rare Side Effect In Some Children Who Take Tamiflu

    DALLAS (CBS11) – More families have come forward with stories about frightening side effects in children who took Tamiflu.

    CBS11 first broke the news of a 6-year-old Allen girl who tried to jump out of a window after taking the anti-influenza drug. She is now back to normal, but her family wasn’t alone.

    But Lindsay Ellis of Indianapolis was a healthy 11-year-old before she had the flu last year. Then she began hallucinating bugs on her body and the devil’s voice in her ear.

    “It literally reminded me of a scary movie at that time, like, is my daughter possessed?” says her father, Charles Ellis. “What is really going on?”

    Ellis says doctors believe it was a reaction to Tamiflu.

    “About day three, she started acting loopy,” he says.

    Lindsay was hospitalized for nearly two months, had a feeding tube and was incoherent and unable to move her hands or feet for several weeks.

    “Not knowing if my daughter was going to make it from day to day, because the doctors were telling me, I don’t know what to do,” he says. “It was horrific for anyone involved in it who came to see her.”

    A year later, she still suffers tremors. Ellis, like the other families we have heard from, wants more transparency when it comes to Tamiflu – better labeling on the packaging and warnings from doctors who prescribe it. It’s something japan took a step further.

    They banned Tamiflu for youth ages 10 to 19 in 2007 after several dozen instances of neuropsychiatric events.

    A spokesperson from manufacturer Genentec sent CBS11 the following statement: “Neuropsychiatric events have been reported during administration of Tamiflu in patients with influenza, especially in children and adolescents. These events are also experienced by patients with influenza without Tamiflu administration.

    Patients should be closely monitored for behavioral changes, and the benefits and risks of continuing treatment with Tamiflu should be carefully evaluated for each patient.”

    The FDA has listed 559 cases of hallucinations from Tamiflu since 2009.
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/01/18/r...ldren-tamiflu/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  5. #33
    Mounting Tamiflu terrors: Girl, 11 saw 'the portal to HELL' and had to be hospitalized for three months after she was treated for the flu

    By Natalie Rahhal For Dailymail.com
    PUBLISHED: 18:44 EST, 19 January 2018


    An 11-year-old girl from became convinced that she was hearing the devil's voice with insects crawling all over her body after she took Tamiflu last year.

    Lindsay Ellis's father, Charles, decided to go public with her harrowing story yesterday after reports emerged that another girl - a six-year-old in Allen, Texas - tried to jump out of a window under the influence of the flu treatment.

    Already this year, 30 children have died of the flu, and parents are turning to Tamiflu to treat their young ones at the first signs of sickness.

    But, in rare cases, Tamiflu has been linked to hallucinations like this one, from Indianapolis, Indiana, whose delusions subsided after she was taken off of the drug.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that anyone for whom the flu might pose serious health risks – including children younger than five – get flu shots, and start taking flu antiviral drugs.

    Tamiflu, or the generic oseltamivir, is one of three such drugs the CDC has endorsed for treating this year's flu.

    But every year, reports of terrifying neurological side effects emerge.

    The Food and Drug Administration ( FDA) says on its website that 'children and teenagers with the flu may be at a higher risk for seizures, confusion, or abnormal behavior early during their illness.'

    It says that these symptoms can happen in untreated flu sufferers or in those who have recently taken Tamiflu, but that that the latter group 'should be watched for signs of unusual behavior.'

    'These serious side effects are not common but may result in accidental injury to the patient,' the site warns.

    This was very nearly the case for Lindsay Ellis.

    When Lindsay, now 12, tested positive for flu at a local clinic, they prescribed her Tamiflu immediately, but did not mention any possible neuropsychotic side effects.

    Three days into the five day course, Charles's daughter started acting 'loopy.'

    While his cousin was watching her, he called Charles, who was at work at Kroger manufacturing, to tell him he needed to pick up Lindsday, who said she had 'things crawling all over her.'

    In the car, Lindsay spoke in a high-pitched voice, saying '"hi Daddy,' real weird, like somebody out of The Exorcist,' Charles says.

    Then she started screaming, 'oh my god, oh my god, daddy, get it off me, it hurts!'

    'She said she saw a portal to hell, she could hear the devil, and she was going to resurrect my soul,' Charles says.

    She begged him to read to her from the Bible, and Charles realized that her delusions were based on her greatest fears.

    Her father rushed her to the hospital, where her spinal tap and brain activity tests were clear, but she continued to hallucinate for six hours, 'and then her body shut down,' Charles says, as if to escape her antiviral nightmare.

    The doctors told Charles Lindsay must have had a severe reaction to the Tamiflu.

    'She looked like a vegetable,' Charles says.

    From that day, January 19, 2017 until March 10, 2017, she stayed more or less that way.

    Finally, Lindsay was released, but had to relearn to walk, talk and use a spoon - which she did, in a 'miraculous' three weeks, her father says.
    Lindsay eventually recovered, though she still suffers occasional tremors.

    Tamiflu's informational does include a warning about 'neuropsychiatric events.'

    However, the label says that the 'contribution of Tamiflu to these events has not been established,' dismissing them as possible symptoms of the flu itself.

    The insert says that the 'reports (mostly from Japan) of delirium and abnormal behavior leading to injury, and in some cases resulting in fatal outcomes.'

    But the insert says that it is too difficult to quantify these 'voluntary' reports, and that its own data suggests they are rare.

    Japan, where most of the reports of dangerous hallucinations have come from, banned the drug for children and teens after a disturbing number of young people jumped from windows and vehicles and tried to commit suicide – two of whom completed the act.

    Charles says he wishes the US would do the same, or at least, that there were more clear warnings about the drug.

    'Isn't it our d**** right for doctors to explain what could happen to your child?' he asks.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...rtal-HELL.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  6. #34
    Same patient. Rare event.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    LOL! Cunningly worded by the protection teams. Where's the black box warning? The Tamiflu inserts does not even mention this rare event.
    Not that you're ever wrong, but that's 12 years old. The most recent insert says
    "• Neuropsychiatric events: Patients with influenza, including those receiving
    TAMIFLU, particularly pediatric patients, may be at an increased risk of confusion or abnormal behavior early in their illness. Monitor for signs of abnormal behavior. (5.2)"
    And the article clearly states that Tamiflu has been banned for patients between the ages of 10-19 since 2009 in Japan.

    But of course, you still dole out medical advice based on what a dentist believed 150 years ago, so I guess it sort of fits.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-20-2018 at 04:24 PM.

  8. #36
    Shelter in place! The sky is falling! You are all going to die because...SHUTDOWN!


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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Same patient. Rare event.
    You really need to learn how to read. Not the same girl.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You really need to learn how to read. Not the same girl.
    Perhaps you should read your own posts.

    From the first one:

    But Lindsay Ellis of Indianapolis was a healthy 11-year-old before she had the flu last year. Then she began hallucinating bugs on her body and the devil’s voice in her ear.
    From the second post:

    An 11-year-old girl from became convinced that she was hearing the devil's voice with insects crawling all over her body after she took Tamiflu last year.

    Lindsay Ellis's father, Charles, decided to go public with her harrowing story yesterday after reports emerged that another girl - a six-year-old in Allen, Texas - tried to jump out of a window under the influence of the flu treatment.
    Must be two different eleven year girls with the exact same name.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-21-2018 at 12:59 PM.

  11. #39

    Come on, Donnay. Like we discussed before, it does suck for the 559 people who experienced those effects but if 559 patients experienced those effects over the past 8 years with patients prescribed the antiviral, then you are talking 559 out of over 3 billion prescriptions. That is extremely rare.
    "Self conquest is the greatest of all victories." - Plato

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Intoxiklown View Post
    Come on, Donnay. Like we discussed before, it does suck for the 559 people who experienced those effects but if 559 patients experienced those effects over the past 8 years with patients prescribed the antiviral, then you are talking 559 out of over 3 billion prescriptions. That is extremely rare.
    From her own links, five potential (reported but not confirmed) cases in the US in seven years - out of 20 million doses per year (which would convert to five on 140 million).
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-21-2018 at 02:40 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Perhaps you should read your own posts.

    From the first one:



    From the second post:



    Must be two different eleven year girls with the exact same name.
    How about the unnamed 6 year old in Allen, Texas. Did you miss that?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    How about the unnamed 6 year old in Allen, Texas. Did you miss that?
    That is not who the two articles were about.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    That is not who the two articles were about.
    Post #12

    CBS11 first broke the news of a 6-year-old Allen girl who tried to jump out of a window after taking the anti-influenza drug. She is now back to normal, but her family wasn’t alone.

    But Lindsay Ellis of Indianapolis was a healthy 11-year-old before she had the flu last year. Then she began hallucinating bugs on her body and the devil’s voice in her ear.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Post #12
    Texas got one mention. The article was about Lindsay Ellis- as was the other article.

  18. #45
    If people die it won't be because a government shutdown. Likely it would be because of big government whose tax policies make sure all women have to work and all kids go to poophole government schools.
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  19. #46
    I am sheltering in place to avoid death during the govt shutdown . I have four bottles of Bourbon so I might need to send @Danke for supplies at some point but I am good now .

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am sheltering in place to avoid death during the govt shutdown . I have four bottles of Bourbon so I might need to send @Danke for supplies at some point but I am good now .
    Doesn’t your tribe’s casino deliver?
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I am sheltering in place to avoid death during the govt shutdown . I have four bottles of Bourbon so I might need to send @Danke for supplies at some point but I am good now .
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to oyarde again.

    LOL
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  23. #49



    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Shelter in place! The sky is falling! You are all going to die because...SHUTDOWN!


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  24. #50
    Another Claim: Tamiflu Caused Child To Twitch, Hallucinate, Bang Head

    By Jason AllenJanuary 23, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    ROCKWALL COUNTY, Texas (CBS11) – Another North Texas family is speaking out about what they believe are side effects from a popular flu treatment.

    A Rockwall County family said their nearly 2-year-old son was twitching, hallucinating and slamming his head in pain after taking Tamiflu this month. The odd reactions only stopped they said, when they stopped giving him prescribed doses of the drug

    Andrea and Josh Wallen had an ambulance take their son Steven to the hospital this month after he experienced seizures at home. After doctors diagnosed him with the flu and started him on treatment, the Wallen’s said their son changed almost immediately.

    “He was twitching all night the night that I stayed there,” said Josh Wallen.

    Andrea said when she walked into the hospital room her son slapped her in the face.

    “And then continually smacking his head in to the pillow saying ‘ouch, ouch, ouch’,” she said.

    She said he also started picking at his arm, as if there was something on it, and handing the items to her that he removed.

    Steven had also been given an anti-seizure medication, which doctors warned his parents, could cause rage. But he was also on the flu medication, Tamiflu.

    This month, an Allen family told CBS11 their 6-year-old daughter taking Tamiflu tried to jump out a window. An Indiana family said their daughter saw bugs on her body and heard voices.

    Andrea Wallen said when her son’s behavior continued at home, and he appeared scared to take the next dose of the flu medication, she decided not to continue giving it to him. Over several hours she said his behavior started to return to normal.

    He has continued to take his seizure medication, without any problems.

    “I watched like a hawk,” she said. “And it wasn’t until probably that evening where I started to see little things like himself again, where he would actually let me hold him.”

    The company that makes the drug told us last week there have been reports of similar episodes in children taking Tamiflu, and also in patients who just have the flu.

    The data sheet for the drug says patients are not at a higher risk than those who just have the flu.
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/01/23/s...fects-tamiflu/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  25. #51

    The Flu Is Far Worse Than We're Being Told: 10s Of 1000s Are Dying



    The Flu Is Far Worse Than We're Being Told: 10s Of 1000s Are Dying:


    The Current Flu Has Already Killed 44,116 People.

    In comparison, the current flu has already resulted in 44,116 deaths this flu season. To give that number some meaning, this year’s flu has already led to more deaths than the average for H3N2 years.

    Furthermore, we aren’t even in the middle of cold and flu season yet. At 44,116 deaths and counting, we are already nearly to the high end (49,000 people) of the normal flu-associated deaths range. [...]

    This virus has the potential to be the worst we’ve seen in a century.

  26. #52
    Who’s doing all the dying, is it mostly old people?
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  27. #53
    Every year they say the same thing and every year they push the flu vaccine--even pushing it on people who are sick!

    Here's a flash back article from 2013, that discusses how it is hyped every year.

    “CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year.”

    “States are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC.”

    “Seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications.”

    “Many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness…”

    “Most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu [What!?]...”

    “CDC estimates of annual influenza-associated deaths in the United States are made using well-established scientific methods that have been reviewed by scientists outside of CDC.”

    There is a lot of estimating going on in this model. The model includes virtually zero actual deaths from the flu. It includes a lot of other causes of death assumed to be flu related.

    If the CDC doesn’t use actual flu deaths to calculate deaths from the flu, then what causes of death do they use? Again, directly quoted from the same source(3), we learn this:

    “CDC uses two categories of underlying cause of death information listed on death certificates: pneumonia and influenza (P&I) causes and respiratory and circulatory (R&C) causes.”

    “CDC uses statistical models with records from these two categories to make estimates of influenza-associated mortality.”

    “CDC uses underlying R&C deaths (which include P&I deaths) as the primary outcome in its mortality”

    Based on an August 27, 2010 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report(4)… “CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people.”

    “Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death was listed as respiratory or circulatory disease on their death certificate.”

    “The study confirmed previous findings that about 90% of influenza associated deaths occur among adults 65 years and older.”

    “Does CDC think that influenza causes most P&I deaths? No, only a small proportion of deaths in either of these two categories are estimated to be influenza-related. CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related.

    So, the causes of death are (definitely) primarily from respiratory and circulatory deaths and not necessarily the flu. Exactly why it is estimated that only 8.5% of P&I deaths and 2.1% of R&C deaths are used to calculate flu related deaths is not stated and is unclear.
    http://wellnessachiever.net/shocking...aths-flu-shot/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Who’s doing all the dying, is it mostly old people?
    I haven't seen a breakdown but a few years ago the strain that hit was killing off more young people than old. I forget the reason why though. It's posted here someplace.

    ETA: THis is from 2014.

    But according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, adults between ages 18 and 64 represented about 61 percent of all flu-related hospitalizations this year, with influenza deaths following the same pattern.
    and

    During the 2009 pandemic, 18- to 64-year-olds accounted for about 56 percent of flu hospitalizations.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-28-2018 at 09:41 AM.

  29. #55
    Another flashback:

    Do Not Believe Everything You Read About Flu Deaths

    Flu results in "about 250,000 to 500,000 yearly deaths" worldwide, Wikipedia tells us. "The typical estimate is 36,000 [deaths] a year in the United States," reports NBC, citing the Centers for Disease Control. "Somewhere between 4,000 and 8,000 Canadians a year die of influenza and its related complications", according to the Public Health Agency of Canada, adding that "Those numbers are controversial because they are estimates."

    "Controversial" is an understatement, and not just in Canada, and not just because the numbers are estimates. The numbers differ wildly from the sober tallies recorded on death certificates -- by law every certificate must show a cause -- and reported by the official agencies that collect and keep vital statistics.

    According to the National Vital Statistics System in the U.S., for example, annual flu deaths in 2010 amounted to just 500 per year -- fewer than deaths from ulcers (2,977), hernias (1,832) and pregnancy and childbirth (825), and a far cry from the big killers such as heart disease (597,689) and cancers (574,743). The story is similar in Canada, where unlikely killers likewise dwarf Statistics Canada's count of flu deaths.

    Even that 500 figure for the U.S. could be too high, according to analyses in authoritative journals such as the American Journal of Public Health and the British Medical Journal. Only about 15-20 per cent of people who come down with flu-like symptoms have the influenza virus -- the other 80-85 per cent actually caught rhinovirus or other germs that are indistinguishable from the true flu without laboratory tests, which are rarely done. In 2001, a year in which death certificates listed 257 Americans as having died of flu, only 18 were positively identified as true flus. The other 239 were simply assumed to be flus and most likely had few true flus among them.

    "U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?" This article takes issue with the 36,000 flu-death figure commonly claimed, and with describing "influenza/pneumonia" as the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.

    "But why are flu and pneumonia bundled together?" the article asks. "Is the relationship so strong or unique to warrant characterizing them as a single cause of death?"

    The article's answer is no. Most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. For example, "stomach acid suppressing drugs are associated with a higher risk of community-acquired pneumonia, but such drugs and pneumonia are not compiled as a single statistic," explained Dr. David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services. "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus -- the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia."

    Pneumonia, according to the American Lung Association, has more than 30 different causes, influenza being but one of them. The CDC itself acknowledges the slim relationship, saying "only a small proportion of deaths... only 8.5 per cent of all pneumonia and influenza deaths [are] influenza-related."

    Because death certificates belie claims of numerous flu deaths, CDC enlisted computer models to arrive at its 36,000 flu-death estimate. But even here it needed to bend conventional medical terminology to arrive at compelling death numbers.

    "Cause-of-death statistics are based solely on the underlying cause of death [internationally defined] as 'the disease or injury which initiated the train of events leading directly to death,'" explains the National Center for Health Statistics. Because the flu was rarely an "underlying cause of death," the CDC created the sound-alike term, "influenza-associated death."

    Using this new, loose definition, CDC's computer models could tally people who died of a heart ailment or other causes after having the flu. As William Thompson of the CDC's National Immunization Program admitted, influenza-associated mortality is "a statistical association ... I don't know that we would say that it's the underlying cause of death."

    The CDC's decision to play up flu deaths dates back a decade, when it realized the public wasn't following its advice on the flu vaccine. During the 2003 flu season "the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine,"Dr. Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at CDC's National Immunization Program, told National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot."

    The CDC's response was its "Seven-Step 'Recipe' for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) Vaccination," a slide show Nowak presented at the 2004 National Influenza Vaccine Summit.

    Here is the "Recipe that fosters influenza vaccine interest and demand," in the truncated language that appears on his slides: "Medical experts and public health authorities [should] publicly (e.g. via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes) - and urge influenza vaccination." This recipe, his slide show indicated, would result in "Significant media interest and attention ... in terms that motivate behavior (e.g. as 'very severe,' 'more severe than last or past years,' 'deadly')." Other emotive recommendations included fostering "the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza" and "Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)."

    The CDC unabashedly decided to create a mass market for the flu vaccine by enlisting the media into panicking the public. An obedient and unquestioning media obliged by hyping the numbers, and 10 years later it is obliging still.
    https://www.asrn.org/journal-advance...lu-deaths.html
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  30. #56
    Franklin Township family believes Tamiflu led to teen’s suicide

    A Franklin Township teen took his life, just days after being diagnosed with the flu. His family worries the medicine prescribed to help him may be to blame.

    Charlie Harp’s loved ones say he was thriving in his classes and excited about his involvement on the wrestling team. They say they believe the extreme decision to commit suicide may have been caused by severe side effects from the medicine he was taking for the flu.

    “He’s an amazing child full of life, happy all the time; you just never see him without a smile on his face,” said Jackie Ray, Charlie’s aunt and guardian.

    The 16-year-old boy was diagnosed with the flu last Thursday, and like many flu patients, he was prescribed Tamiflu.

    "We started it right in the car, get it in him and get him started,” said Ray.

    Less than 24 hours later, Ray said she texted the teen but did not get a response.

    “I knew something was wrong. My husband came home and found him in the house,” said Ray.

    Ray’s husband, Brad, discovered Harp had committed suicide in the garage.

    “Just thinking the whole way here what’s different?” Brad Ray wondered. “He’s been the same. What did we do differently? And it clicked, he just started new medicine.”

    The couple told FOX59 the teen had never expressed suicidal thoughts before and had no signs of depression. The only change, they say, had been he started taking Tamiflu.

    The Tamilfu warning label clearly states pediatric patients may be at an increased risk of confusion or abnormal behavior. The Rays say they weren’t properly warned about what that could mean.

    “He had a total of two doses,” said Jackie Ray. “Two doses and this is where we are.”

    As family awaits answers, the couple says they’re finding strength in the outpouring of support from the community and hope to spread the word so other families are aware of the possible side effects from the medicine.

    “The thought of someone else not knowing and give it to their children, I can’t bear that,” said Jackie Ray.

    FOX59 reached out to the maker of Tamiflu. A spokesperson said they can’t comment on this specific case at this time but released the following statement.

    Neuropsychiatric events have been reported during the administration of Tamiflu in patients with influenza, especially in children and adolescents.

    They add patients should be closely monitored for behavioral changes.

    The maker says they take all reports seriously and will conduct a thorough investigation. They also stated there’s no data suggesting a link for such events with antiviral treatment.

    Harp’s visitation is today from 4 to 8 p.m. at the Shirley Brothers Washington Memorial Chapel at 9606 E. Washington Street. His funeral is tomorrow at noon. A GoFundMe page was set up to help with funeral expenses; the family says they plan to use extra funds to create some sort of scholarship in his honor.
    http://fox59.com/2018/01/30/franklin...teens-suicide/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Study: 630% More “Aerosolized Flu Virus Particles” Emitted by People Who Received Flu Shots… F

    Study: 630% More “Aerosolized Flu Virus Particles” Emitted by People Who Received Flu Shots… Flu Shots Actually Spread the Flu



    A bombshell new scientific study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) finds that people who receive flu shots emit 630% more flu virus particles into the air, compared to non-vaccinated individuals. In effect, this finding documents evidence that flu vaccines spread the flu, and that so-called “herd immunity” is a medical hoax because “the herd” is actually transformed into carriers and spreaders of influenza.

    The bombshell finding is documented in a study entitled Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community. The study authors are Jing Yan, Michael Grantham, Jovan Pantelic, P. Jacob Bueno de Mesquita, Barbara Albert, Fengjie Liu, Sheryl Ehrman, Donald K. Milton and EMIT Consortium.

    Details of this bombshell study have been revealed by Sayer Ji at Green Med Info, a site that’s rapidly becoming one of the world’s most authoritative sources on intelligent analysis of real science. Green Med Info has published 500 studies that document the adverse effects (and injury) of vaccines. Find that extensive list at this link.



    630% more aerosolized flu virus particles shed by vaccinated individuals

    The study, which examined 355 volunteers who were sick with flu-like symptoms, found that people who previously received flu shots emitted sharply higher quantities of flu virus particles that can infect other people. From the study:

    Fine-aerosol viral RNA was also positively associated with having influenza vaccination for both the current and prior season… We provide overwhelming evidence that humans generate infectious aerosols and quantitative data to improve mathematical models of transmission and public health interventions… Our observation of an association between repeated vaccination and increased viral aerosol generation demonstrated the power of our method, but needs confirmation.

    Shockingly, people who received prior flu shot vaccinations were found to emit 6.3 times (or 630%) the number of flu virus particles emitted by non-vaccinated individuals.

    This means — prepare yourself for this realization — that the most responsible way to avoid infecting other people is to AVOID being vaccinated with flu shots.

    People are receive flu shots, in other words, are irresponsible spreaders of the flu. They’re the ones making other people sick, just as we’ve observed for years.



    Fig. 2 from the study: Viral shedding: (A) infectious influenza virus (fluorescent focus counts) in NP swabs and fine aerosols and (B) RNA copies in NP swabs, coarse, and fine aerosols. (C and D) Scatter plots and Spearman correlation coefficients of infectious virus plotted against RNA copies for (C) NP swabs and for (D) fine-aerosol samples. (E) The effect of day after symptom onset on RNA copies observed in NP swabs, coarse, and fine aerosols plotted as GM adjusted for missing data using Tobit analysis with error bars denoting 95% CIs. (F–H) The effect of cough frequency on RNA copies observed in (F) NP swabs, (G) coarse aerosols, and (H) in fine aerosols. Coarse: aerosol droplets >5 µm; Fine: aerosol droplets ≤5 µm in aerodynamic diameter.



    “Anti-vaxxers” are responsible citizens because they don’t shed viruses and spread disease

    Also from the study:

    Self-reported vaccination for the current season was associated with a trend (P < 0.10) toward higher viral shedding in fine-aerosol samples; vaccination with both the current and previous year’s seasonal vaccines, however, was significantly associated with greater fine-aerosol shedding in unadjusted and adjusted models (P < 0.01). In adjusted models, we observed 6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.

    In other words — just to repeat this — people who avoided vaccines spread less than 1/6th the number of flu virus particles compared to those who received flu shots. Thus, non-vaccinated people are the ones who don’t spread the flu. The “anti-vaxxers,” it turns out, are the ones protecting the children after all.

    Yet to hear vaccine propagandists like Jimmy Kimmel say it, people who don’t get vaccines are very nearly “child murderers.” That’s the false narrative of the corrupt, pseudoscience vaccine industry.

    Scientific evidence that the flu vaccine SPREADS the flu

    These results reveal the shocking truth about flu vaccines that few have dared utter, for fear of being branded “anti-vaxxers:” Flu vaccines spread the flu. (Is it by design? We’ll cover that in a later article…)

    “Clearly, if this finding is accurate and reproducible, flu vaccination may actually make you more likely to infect others,” explains Sayer Ji in his Green Med Info article. “We have been reporting on the conspicuous lack of evidence for flu vaccine effectiveness (and safety) for over a decade, based largely on the underreported failure of the Cochrane Database Review to show them effective (and safe), despite hundreds of industry-funded studies that have attempted to do so. Learn more: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/sho...ing-flu-vacc…”

    Far from the current tactic of the vaccine industry blaming non-vaccinated people for spreading disease, this study reveals why it’s actually vaccinated children and adults who keep spreading infectious disease. They are the ones “shedding” the flu virus particles that infect others! (This also explains why flu outbreaks frequently occur among children who were already vaccinated with flu shots.)



    “Herd immunity” hoax collapses in the face of real science

    Furthermore, the so-called “herd immunity” effect that’s often touted to push more vaccines on everyone has been exposed as a complete hoax by this study. If vaccinated people are the very ones spreading flu virus particles into the air, then the herd is spreading the flu, not preventing it.

    “Herd immunity,” it turns out, actually becomes “herd multiplication” of the viral strain, since the herd is “weaponized” into flu virus spreaders. This finally explains why so many children who get infected with the flu (or measles, mumps and other infectious diseases) tend to be the very same children who were vaccinated against those diseases. The vaccines transform children into carriers of the disease, infecting others and contributing to the epidemic. This, in turn, results in panic among the news media, which urges everyone to rush out and get vaccinated as quickly as possible. Within a few days, a second wave of infectious begins to spread, caused by the vaccine itself.

    Vaccines, in other words, are self-perpetuating infectious disease spreaders. Their role in society, as currently structured, is to cause infectious disease outbreaks that create a surge in demand for vaccine sales. The media’s role is crucial in all this, as it’s the job of the media to create fear and panic among parents, then urge them to have their children vaccinated. This perpetuates the spread of the disease and sets up the entire scam for another round of outbreaks, panic and vaccine sales.



    Vaccine marketing relies on vaccines spreading infectious disease

    The product markets itself, in other words. While crack cocaine and heroin rely on addiction for self-perpetuating marketing, vaccines actually cause the very conditions they claim to prevent. Each outbreak then becomes another marketing push, and the cycle repeats in waves (as children are injured and killed by vaccines all across America).

    To keep the medical scam going, any person who dares cite legitimate scientific findings that question the vaccine dogma of the modern medical cartel is immediately branded an “anti-vaxxer” and marginalized by the media. Thus, vaccines are never subjected to scientific scrutiny, since all science that observes effects which counter the vaccine dogma is sidelined, attacked or ignored. Only findings that support the pseudoscience vaccine narrative are “accepted” by the medical establishment, thus ensuring that no challenge to vaccine safety or effectiveness can ever see the light of day.

    This is how the vaccine industry continues to carry out what has often been called a “medical holocaust” while stifling skepticism, science and critical thinking that dares point out the risks associated with widespread immunization policies.
    http://realfarmacy.com/flu-shot-630-...zen.yandex.com
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  33. #58
    So even if a vaccine works it does so by turning you into a carrier.

    I wonder if there are any statistics on how wide spread the flu was each year before and after they started vaccinations?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Who’s doing all the dying, is it mostly old people?
    NO .

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So even if a vaccine works it does so by turning you into a carrier.

    I wonder if there are any statistics on how wide spread the flu was each year before and after they started vaccinations?
    Somebody with the flu can spread it for up to a week after they are infected. People spreading the flu after a vaccination are rare (theoretically possible with the nasal spray but that is not commonly used).

    http://www.thevaccinemom.com/2015/02...-be-concerned/

    Live (nasal mist) influenza vaccine shedding is possible, but very rare. However, shedding occurs in much lower amounts than if someone were to be just sick with the actual virus. And only severely immunocompromised people need to worry about being around someone who has recently gotten a flu vaccine.

    True vaccine shedding really only happens with the oral polio vaccine and the smallpox vaccine, two vaccines that aren’t really used anymore

    The nasal flu vaccine was basically dropped this year because it is less effective than the injected one.

    http://www.contagionlive.com/news/ha...ng-nasal-spray

    In 2016, the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice voted to stop recommending the nasal spray live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV), while continuing to recommend the injectable inactivated influenza vaccine (IIV) or recombinant influenza vaccine for everyone 6 months of age and older. The decision came following data indicating that the nasal spray vaccine was only 3% effective at preventing illness in children ages 2 to 17.

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