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    The Drug Whisperers

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018...ug-whisperers/

    By eric - January 11, 20187626

    You may have heard about people getting speeding tickets not based on the reading of a radar gun or other instrument subject to empirical verification but solely on the basis of an armed government worker’s “training,” his estimation – that is is, his opinion – about how fast the alleged offender was traveling. In some jurisdictions, this is considered acceptable evidence in court – sufficient to convict.

    Now comes the Drug Whisperer. A whole army of them.

    These are armed government workers such as Cobb County, Georgia’s T.T. Carroll – who have received similar “training” and been anointed Certified Drug Recognition Experts, ready to go to war on drugs – even if there aren’t any around.

    Carroll and other “trained experts” have arrested numerous motorists on the basis of the mere assertion that they are On Dope.

    Nothing more.

    Certainly not on the basis of empirical evidence that they actually are On Dope, such as a blood or urine test. That’s too much of an inconvenience – and probably too factual, as well.

    Instead, the DRE’s “trained” opinion that the person he has waylaid – often on the pretext of a minor traffic offense, such as driving slightly on the shoulder or touching a yellow line, probably with the DRE cop car riding their bumper – is a Doper. The victims are arrested, caged and charged – and must then prove themselves innocent of the charges.

    Many of them subsequently have. At least five of Carroll’s victims were found – empirically – to have nothing in their systems whatsoever. But that took months (the state’s crime lab isn’t speedy) and the charges don’t get dropped before the court date unless the DA feels so inclined.


    The presumption of guilt applies.

    Carroll – and 250 other “trained” government workers in Georgia alone – use scientific techniques such as “observing the subject’s attitude” – the attitude indicating Dope Fiend or not isn’t described – followed by a roadside gymnastics performance similar to the one used to suss out “drunk” drivers. Common clumsiness – aggravated by nervousness – becomes a “tell” that the “subject” is a Doper. As does refusal to perform the test.

    He must be High.

    The Drug Whisperer then proceeds to an evaluation of muscle tone. If your arms feel “rigid,” you’re on dope. If they are “flaccid,” you’re also on dope!

    Whatever your arms feel like, you’re on dope.

    Next comes a pulse check. If yours is “high” or “low” – well, you know what that means. It doesn’t seem to matter that normal pulse rates vary tremendously from individual to individual; some people have resting pulse rates around 40 beats a minute – much lower than the average 60-70. And when you are frightened – as you just might be when standing by the side of the road being interrogated by an armed government worker looking for an excuse to cuff and stuff you – your pulse rate might just go up.

    Ah-ha!. You are obviously On Dope.


    The probably GED-educated (but “trained”) Drug Recognition Expert can tell, every time.

    Then comes the most scientific criteria of the DRE’s 12 Step Evaluation Process: It is the moment when the the armed government worker ” . . .forms an opinion as to whether or not (sic) the subject is impaired.”

    Off to the clink you go. Your car goes to the impound lot. Your kids to Protective Services. Better Call Saul.

    They could have used DREs during the Salem Witch Trails. It amounts to same thing, just more bureaucratized. Point a finger – witch! The DRE’s version is “I am seeing involuntary indicators of impairment caused by the marijuana you’ve been smoking” – these are Cobb’s words to one of his victims, a waitress who was later found to have smoked no marijuana at all, insofar as could be detected in her blood.

    There is another parallel to Salem.

    Like the witch hunters, the DRE has every incentive to form a very specific opinion. Everyone’s a witch! And everyone’s on Dope!

    It justifies the exertions.

    Cobb, for example, was awarded a silver medal by Mothers Against Drunk Driving for his aggressive opinionating, which put 90 people in the clink in 2016 alone, including the five known to be entirely innocent. He is lauded by his chief – a four-star Obergruppenfuhrer – as an exemplary opinionator – in the same manner as armed government workers who excel at catching “speeders.”

    No doubt there are quotas – official or off the books being immaterial.

    This is what’s waiting for you out there on the road – along with summary seizure of any “excess” cash you are found to have on your person, based on the of-a-piece presumption of guilty of something.

    The DUI/drug charges against you may eventually be dismissed. After you hire a lawyer and pay for empirical blood/urine tests to prove that the DRE’s opinion was in error. There are no negative repercussions for the DRE who falsely arrested people, deprived them of their liberty – as well as lots of money.

    It is necessary to break eggs if you want to make omelettes, you see.

    The idea used to be that it was infinitely preferable to not break eggs – to avoid persecuting the innocent even if it made things easier on the guilty. That’s as much out the window, of course, as the idea that we have a right to be free from unreasonable searches, to freely associate and to not be compelled to provide evidence that can and will be used against us in a legal proceeding.

    And the taint is not confined to Georgia, home of Cobb and his four-star Obergruppenfuhrer commander.

    The Drug Evaluation and Classification Program “certifies” thousands of armed government workers in all 50 states. This “certification,” incidentally, is conferred by other armed government workers – the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Not disinterested third-party professionals who might actually have some expertise in the area, such as doctors.

    Be careful out there. The Homeland isn’t what it used to be.



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    Resisting this will probably be the way I die. There are worse ways to go. Like rotting in a prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Resisting this will probably be the way I die. There are worse ways to go. Like rotting in a prison.
    I have never resisted arrest..

    That doesn't mean ya still can't die or be caged .. so far I haven't died..

    might be some other reason for that

    Just doin' time on planet earth. You know your choices.
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    Someone needs to take this to the SCOTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Someone needs to take this to the SCOTUS.
    Justice will not be found in their courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Someone needs to take this to the SCOTUS.
    That's funny...the SCROTUS just ruled that you have to be on your property to demand a warrant.

    Which means of course, the $#@! cops now arrest you...then they search your property without a warrant.

    Tod is right, there is no justice in theire courts
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-12-2018 at 01:11 PM. Reason: Learning to type on my first "smart" sail fawn. I HATE it.

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    Listen to Cobb County officer Tracy "T.T." Carroll at 4:05.

    Mystical Magical drug divining Officer T.T. Carroll is arresting the victim due to his mystical magical drug detection powers. So after arresting her on using the TT Carroll magical drug test, The victim asks, "so when I do a drug test I'll be free to go, correct?"
    Idiotic Officer T.T. Carroll responds , "You're going to jail. I don't have a magical drug test that I can give you." [but I just arrested you based on my magical drug test]
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-12-2018 at 06:33 AM.
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    Despite a repeated track record of false arrests by Cobb County's mystic magic drug detection methods, Cobb County continued to actively defend and endorse the magic drug detection method, even claiming the drug tests are unreliable but their magical powers are infallible (unless the lab test actually does show a positive, then the test is flawless):

    Complaints filed by arrestees have gone nowhere. The Cobb County PD's internal investigators responded with one highly-dubious claim…

    Cobb County Investigators exonerated the officer and doubted Ebner's innocence, insisting, 'the marijuana could have already metabolized out of the blood.'

    And one highly-infuriating one:

    "When you brought up that you had a clean blood test when complaining to Internal Affairs, their answer was what?" Keefe asked.
    "They said, 'Yeah, we see this happen all the time. Um, the test results come back wrong all the time,'" she said.

    These would be the same drug tests prosecution experts would claim to be infallible if needed to secure a conviction. This lab apparently only hands out false negatives.

    Cobb county has been using its mystical drug detection, and aware of the false arrests for at least ten years.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-12-2018 at 06:58 AM.
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    ACLU lawsuit against Cobb County and its mystical magic drug diviner Tracy "T.T." Carroll.

    "At no point did the police officer seek to obtain a warrant or suggest that they were endangering public safety. None of the plaintiffs were under the influence of marijuana, and all tested negative for any cannabinoid metabolites,"...

    "All three plaintiffs now have public arrest records that they will have to explain to schools, landlords and employers for the rest of their lives," ...

    "Carroll's pattern and practice of enforcing DUI-drug infractions was to arrest an individual based on nothing more than a hunch, which would be invariably ratified by the results of an ad hoc smattering of tests he administered which were divorced from any rigorous methodology and were without the foundational underpinning necessary to amount to legal justification to arrest." ...

    "Carroll was never reprimanded or disciplined for failing to follow DRE Protocol or for making the arrests." ...

    "The way that Cobb County Police Officers, such as defendant Carroll, are taught to and do administer their testing for the detection of impairment by drugs is designed to make innocent behavior appear incriminating and to make exculpatory behavior appear irrelevant." ...
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-12-2018 at 06:49 AM.
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    The idea used to be that it was infinitely preferable to not break eggs – to avoid persecuting the innocent even if it made things easier on the guilty. That’s as much out the window, of course, as the idea that we have a right to be free from unreasonable searches, to freely associate and to not be compelled to provide evidence that can and will be used against us in a legal proceeding.


    Of all people, I would expect Eric Peters to know that no, there was never a time when this didn't happen.
    The entire purpose of the constabulary is to patrol an area and break eggs.

    On another note.... why the hell would anyone want to be in Georgia at all at this point? Seems like at least 40% of the stories like this I hear are from that $#@!hole.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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