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If only the media elitists got half this outraged when the president bombs a country, or stages a regime change, or arms terrorists groups, or props up a repressive brutal dictatorial monarchy, or the deep state tries to rig or overturn an election, but nooo.
To the media elite, its quite alright to bomb to smithereens a nation causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands and destroy the lives of millions, murder, lie, and destroy, or exploit the sufferings of a $#@!hole nation to defraud donors to your slush fund Foundation out of millions. But calling a $#@!hole nation a $#@!hole - that's what gets their feathers ruffled.
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If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.
That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.
You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.
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Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.
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You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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I live in an area with very low assistance rates in general , but there are no natives here accepting benefits . I am sure though there are probably some white people and hispanics on food stamps , I imagine though they all shop at walmart because I do not see any at the butcher .
Uhhh... lol. You're right. That's not a random sample of people immigrating here. That is the average income of every member of almost every single immigrant group living in the USA. But yes, the people immigrating that don't have refugee status aren't representative of the average person from their countries. They are typically better educated and more wealthy. This is because the US already has pretty high standards for immigrants to come here. Is anyone suggesting to allow immigrants to come en masse like they do in Europe? Or even to lower the standards at all? I haven't seen it.
I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are
It's weird because when some people think of their country they think of geography or the land, or the government, but thats false. A country is its people, you can't transplant a moral government without moral people. So when you have tons of people coming in that have conflicting interests it hurts the country. Lots of migration from countries like China and Russia for example. Which is the true reason why I think the government wants to do immigration control in the first place. The government will come in and fix a problem they created though, and the people will beg them for reform and they will get reform in the form of another boondoggle.
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Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
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Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
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Both can simultaneously exist, there is no relation between these two things. However, failure to regulate immigration will certainly lead to socialism.
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Meh. Maybe in the 80's. Reagan's dead though.
I think the voters in those countries play a large role in making their country a $#@!hole. They vote for the most socialist candidates on the ballots. Then they have revolutions every so often and end up with someone even more socialist. Unable to make the connection between the impoverished status of their country and their political demands, they flee to the USA where they magically become capitalists after crossing the border. -- Just kidding, they're probably going demand more of the same, here.
"They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an un- bounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In pro- portion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, in- coherent, distracted mass" — Thomas Jefferson on immigration
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To End DACA, Follow the Constitution
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ust-compromiseremind the public that President Obama himself publicly admitted he did not have the constitutional power to do what DACA does.
Mr. President, End DACA
The imbalance is by the one nation that has decimated US immigration policy . . . talking about African nations or Haiti doesn't make sense.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. 2015. Number of I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...y2015_qtr4.pdf
Unauthorized Immigrant Population Profile
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/prog...ation-profiles
Last edited by Jan2017; 01-13-2018 at 11:24 AM.
Exactly.
Like it or not, the argument for immigration restriction is an argument against property rights and freedom of association, and a plea for arming the government. Anybody who calls himself libertarian needs to accept that it's a flagrantly un-libertarian position. It's an argument for security over liberty. It's safetytarianism.
I know there are plenty here who don't consider themselves libertarians. Fine. If you're arguing for immigration restriction, you're arguing against your own liberty. Accept it.
Besides, it's a bad economic argument, welfare state or no welfare state. Haiti's a $#@!hole, but it didn't get that way due to a bunch of immigrants coming in and ruining it. By definition, the best place in the world is the place the most immigrants are flocking to.
If you want to get rid of immigration, expand the welfare state. Eventually the borders will necessarily be sealed up. History is pretty consistent on what happens after that.
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