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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    You have it backwards. Immigration restriction always has been and remains one of the hallmarks of socialism and progressivism.

    As Bernie Sanders, who supports immigration restriction, accurately observed. It's we libertarian Koch Brother types who support free movement of people across borders. And of course Trump's own socialist leanings are no secret.
    We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This post is so insane that I am not sure if it was made in jest. Have you ever asked yourself how well the underclass ate the poor immigrants who came to America from Europe during the early and middle last century? You are white, you are supposed to have IQ by the boat load, act accordingly m8.
    No "insanity" at all......

    Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

    There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.
    And if we have the first we will end up with the second, then we will collapse.

    We are almost there now.
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  5. #124
    If only the media elitists got half this outraged when the president bombs a country, or stages a regime change, or arms terrorists groups, or props up a repressive brutal dictatorial monarchy, or the deep state tries to rig or overturn an election, but nooo.

    To the media elite, its quite alright to bomb to smithereens a nation causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands and destroy the lives of millions, murder, lie, and destroy, or exploit the sufferings of a $#@!hole nation to defraud donors to your slush fund Foundation out of millions. But calling a $#@!hole nation a $#@!hole - that's what gets their feathers ruffled.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-15-2018 at 12:02 PM.
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  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Please don't play coy with me, you know very well that I wasn't talking about immigration "policy" of the natives. I am talking about saving tax payers money and ways we can do that. Do u remember me telling you that I have never met a Native American in my life? well that was a big lie and I lied because I wanted to be nice to you. I have indeed met a loads of em in my line of work and suffice to say, the tax payers can save a loads by denying them the free services they are given. Just sayin
    We do not accept any govt benefits here . The only two govt services I use are roads and post office and I pay for them .

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

    Median Household Income for not $#@!hole White Americans $59,698

    Nigerian Americans: $62,086
    Ethiopian Americans: $41,736
    Egyptian Americans: $61,344
    Ghanaian Americans: $59,545

    Wow, so only one of the 4 most populous African immigrant groups to the US is doing significantly worse than whites.

    If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.

    That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.

    You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    No "insanity" at all......

    Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

    There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.
    Exactly, they came in droves regardless of the society not having a welfare system. And just like osmosis, people will always move from areas of low opportunity to areas of high. Welfare helps that movement but it is no way the cause of it.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He is right about the larger issue.

    The point is that the leftists are fabricating things again to try to manipulate people's emotions and claim he is racist.
    They do that with anyone and everything that disagrees with them. They abuse the word and its meaning so much that when a real racism appears no one will really pay attention. Classic crying wolf.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    We do not accept any govt benefits here . The only two govt services I use are roads and post office and I pay for them .
    Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.
    Any individual who is not a leech is entitled to criticize any group of leeches he wants.
    Oyarde didn't choose the topic of this thread, he only commented on it, if you want to criticize Injuns start your own thread.
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  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Everybody knows exceptions do not make the rule. The sad truth is that a lot of Native population are on the take and you could have easily asked the question about your people draining the tax payers than the other group of people. But you didn't do that, instead you went after a group of people who contribute more and take less from the system than you know.
    I live in an area with very low assistance rates in general , but there are no natives here accepting benefits . I am sure though there are probably some white people and hispanics on food stamps , I imagine though they all shop at walmart because I do not see any at the butcher .

  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.
    Well, we already have the Nanny State.

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    No "insanity" at all......

    Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

    There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.
    There was also no Big Gov thinking they owned everything & taxing everyone for everything. People could hit he road & make their own way.
    There is no spoon.

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    If they can come to the US and find a job, then great. All for it.

    That said, your statistic doesn't help and could hurt whatever point you are trying to make to anyone mathematically literate.

    You aren't taking a random sample of people immigrating here. You are taking the brightest people who have to shown a lot of initiative overcoming numerous hurdles to immigrate here. They are often the children of people of means who go to schools here. Given the incomes you posted, people on the margin who enter the US from those countries right now earn less than the 59k number you cited. If you made it much easier to come here, then those income numbers would be much lower.
    Uhhh... lol. You're right. That's not a random sample of people immigrating here. That is the average income of every member of almost every single immigrant group living in the USA. But yes, the people immigrating that don't have refugee status aren't representative of the average person from their countries. They are typically better educated and more wealthy. This is because the US already has pretty high standards for immigrants to come here. Is anyone suggesting to allow immigrants to come en masse like they do in Europe? Or even to lower the standards at all? I haven't seen it.

    I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are
    It's weird because when some people think of their country they think of geography or the land, or the government, but thats false. A country is its people, you can't transplant a moral government without moral people. So when you have tons of people coming in that have conflicting interests it hurts the country. Lots of migration from countries like China and Russia for example. Which is the true reason why I think the government wants to do immigration control in the first place. The government will come in and fix a problem they created though, and the people will beg them for reform and they will get reform in the form of another boondoggle.

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    No "insanity" at all......

    Take the free $#@! away and watch what happens...

    There was no free $#@! society when the Europeans came nor were there the entitlement attitudes that accompany that lifestyle.
    Dude are you even serious? The reason we have all these welfare programs today is cuz of what FDR did, to the applause of European Americans like you. Whites elected that dude 4 $#@!ing times.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Dude are you even serious? The reason we have all these welfare programs today is cuz of what FDR did, to the applause of European Americans like you. Whites elected that dude 4 $#@!ing times.
    Let's not forget Russians who let us win the Cold War. Your point?

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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And if we have the first we will end up with the second, then we will collapse.

    We are almost there now.
    Almost? Lol
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  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Almost? Lol
    We haven't collapsed yet.
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  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We can have unlimited immigration or we can have a Nanny State. We can't have both.
    That right there is an excellent reason for us all to support unlimited immigration, and is precisely why support for immigration restriction is such a key part of socialism.

    Let's not have a nanny state.

  27. #144
    Both can simultaneously exist, there is no relation between these two things. However, failure to regulate immigration will certainly lead to socialism.
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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post

    I just think it's terribly undiplomatic and stupid for the president to call a huge amount of countries "$#@!holes," especially when the US has played a major part in making many of those countries the way they are
    Meh. Maybe in the 80's. Reagan's dead though.

    I think the voters in those countries play a large role in making their country a $#@!hole. They vote for the most socialist candidates on the ballots. Then they have revolutions every so often and end up with someone even more socialist. Unable to make the connection between the impoverished status of their country and their political demands, they flee to the USA where they magically become capitalists after crossing the border. -- Just kidding, they're probably going demand more of the same, here.

    "They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an un- bounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In pro- portion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, in- coherent, distracted mass" — Thomas Jefferson on immigration

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    . . . two Republican senators said they don't recall those vulgar characterizations from the President. Republican Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue, who've been close allies to the President on the issue of immigration, were in a White House meeting with him Thursday when Trump, according to sources, expressed frustration with people coming to the US from "$#@!hole countries."

    "We do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system,
    "The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump said.
    "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"
    To End DACA, Follow the Constitution

    remind the public that President Obama himself publicly admitted he did not have the constitutional power to do what DACA does.

    Mr. President, End DACA
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ust-compromise

    The imbalance is by the one nation that has decimated US immigration policy . . . talking about African nations or Haiti doesn't make sense.
    U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. 2015. Number of I-821D, Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals
    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...y2015_qtr4.pdf
    Unauthorized Immigrant Population Profile
    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/prog...ation-profiles



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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Personally I think this whole controversy is a big distraction just like our national politics. This is the real reason why I stopped participating with it, it still boggles my mind that serious sensible people are treating politics like it really affects anything.

    But I am bored and I found this video from a Nigerian fella I watch and he nails it for me. Essentially, what he is saying is this, if the people he allegedly talks about are mad, they should do something to correct it.



    I am embarrassed, butthurt, mad, triggered....... fill in the blank but not because of Trump. I wish this very public tongue lashing will spark something in Africans to step their game up.


    Watched it. THANKS!

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    In all fairness, every single country in Central America is a $#@! hole. It isn't a debatable statement.

    I was in Belize several months in the 90's. Although poor, I wouldn't refer to the country as a s---hole.

  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Do Swedes qualify for diversity visas yet?

    Also, "African countries such as Haiti"... I mean, wrong continent, but yeah - earth's $#@!.
    yeah, I heard that twit say that also, fekkin ignorant hypocrites

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    If I want to welcome into my home people from countries that he considers $#@!holes, he can wonder all he wants why I would do that, but he has no business interfering.
    Exactly.

    Like it or not, the argument for immigration restriction is an argument against property rights and freedom of association, and a plea for arming the government. Anybody who calls himself libertarian needs to accept that it's a flagrantly un-libertarian position. It's an argument for security over liberty. It's safetytarianism.

    I know there are plenty here who don't consider themselves libertarians. Fine. If you're arguing for immigration restriction, you're arguing against your own liberty. Accept it.

    Besides, it's a bad economic argument, welfare state or no welfare state. Haiti's a $#@!hole, but it didn't get that way due to a bunch of immigrants coming in and ruining it. By definition, the best place in the world is the place the most immigrants are flocking to.

    If you want to get rid of immigration, expand the welfare state. Eventually the borders will necessarily be sealed up. History is pretty consistent on what happens after that.
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