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    House Approves More FISA Spying...Can The Senate Stop Them?



    The US House today voted to extend Section 702 of the 2008 FISA Amendments. The section allows the government to spy on Americans without a warrant and to save their communications for possible prosecution of "future crimes." It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Can the US Senate stop this assault on the Constitution?
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    Here is the roll call of the vote:


    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll...=244+272699400
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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    My rep support amash!
    Way to go Warren Davidson!

    Please tell me why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).

    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide


    ^THAT^

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Trump didn't tell us how he wants us to vote.

    BIGGER EMOJIS.

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    https://theintercept.com/2018/01/11/...n-section-702/From The Intercept:

    The measure, which passed 256-164, reauthorized Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act … first passed in 2008 to legalize President George W. Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. …

    The law serves as the legal backing for two mammoth NSA programs revealed by Edward Snowden: Upstream, which collects information from the internet junctions where data passes in and out of the country, and PRISM, which collects communications from U.S.-based internet companies, like Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Yahoo.

    The programs rest on the notion that they are “targeting” foreigners, but they also collect massive amounts of data on Americans, including wholly domestic communications. …

    The bill also consolidates the FBI’s legal authority to search those communications without a warrant. … the NSA shares certain kinds of information it collects under Section 702 with the FBI, … In a secret court hearing in 2015, a lawyer for the Justice Department compared the frequency of those searches to the use of Google. …

    the House [rejected] an amendment to the bill offered by Rep. Justin Amash, R.-Mich., which would have required federal law enforcement agents to get a warrant …

    As it is, the bill contains a cosmetic reform to the practice of “backdoor searches,” which requires the FBI to get a warrant … But it carves out massive exceptions, including for any investigation related to national security and whenever the FBI determines there is a “threat to life or serious bodily harm.” The issue is largely moot anyway because current rules allow the FBI to conduct queries even before opening an investigation. …

    Democratic and Republican leadership both lined up to support the bill and oppose the amendment. …

    House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., also spoke … adding: “I want to thank [Pelosi] for coming up and speaking against the Amash amendment, and in favor of the underlying bipartisan [bill].” …
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Ugh... Should read "violated". One cannot remove a fundamental right. One can only waive or violate it.

    May seem like picking nits, but the difference is important to a proper understanding and attitude regarding their own rights, as well as those of others.
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Pray for reset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    https://theintercept.com/2018/01/11/...n-section-702/From The Intercept:

    The measure, which passed 256-164, reauthorized Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act … first passed in 2008 to legalize President George W. Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. …
    Lets take a very cursory look at this.

    Damnation and pox upon the Congress for passing this. The same upon Bush for signing it into enactment. But ten times the same to the prosecutors who, upon learning of a given case of such wiretapping, failed to apprehend and charge the guilty parties. The same for judges, police, and all other Merecogs of "government" who went along with this. And ten times that to the rest of us who sat idly by as these vermin ran roughshod over the rights of our fellows as we lazily or cowardly sat back in idle thanks that it was not we whose lines were being tapped... even though in reality they were.

    The programs rest on the notion that they are “targeting” foreigners, but they also collect massive amounts of data on Americans, including wholly domestic communications. …
    And most here could give a tinker's damn so long as they can marginally accept the self-deceit that tells them it's not happening to them, it's not evil, and those to whom it happens deserve it.

    Americans. Feh.

    the House [rejected] an amendment to the bill offered by Rep. Justin Amash, R.-Mich., which would have required federal law enforcement agents to get a warrant …
    And the band plays on.

    Democratic and Republican leadership both lined up to support the bill and oppose the amendment. …
    Now ask yourself the $64 question: why?

    Then ask why is it that we continue to sit idly as Theye continue to hack away the last vestiges of our rights?
    Through lives and lives shalt thou pay, O' king.

    Pray for reset.




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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



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