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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...safety/549461/

    Always take credit for good news and blame somebody else for any bad new.



    IN 2017, there were no commercial aviation deaths in the US. Best year ever. However, that was also true of 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011 and 2010.

    Every president likes to take credit when things go well and pass along blame when they go poorly, but no president is as willing to take that pattern to its brazen extreme like Donald Trump.
    American aviation has already been extremely safe. No U.S. airline has had a fatality since 2009, when a commuter turboprop crashed near Buffalo, New York, and there hasn’t been a fatal passenger jet accident since 2006, when a plane crashed during takeoff in Lexington, Kentucky.
    Second, it’s hard to find any evidence to back the president’s assertion that he has “been very strict on Commercial Aviation.” In fact, it’s hard to find any evidence that Trump has affected aviation at all. If anything, Trump has promised to loosen regulations on aviation. Meeting with airlines executives in February 2017, Trump complained of a “regulatory morass that’s a disaster” and said he’d loosen “burdensome regulations.” In June, the president proposed privatizing air-traffic control, though that idea was more related to moving jobs off the federal payroll than safety concerns. In September, responding to the president’s call for regulations to cut, an industry panel recommended the FAA scale back or eliminate dozens of safety rules.

    But as with many of the president’s priorities, there’s been little actual action on this front. The administration did not report any changes to Federal Aviation Administration regulations in fiscal year 2017, which ended in September, and an FAA list doesn’t show any major new or proposed rules affecting commercial aviation during the Trump administration. The air-traffic control push stalled out amid opposition from Republicans.

    The president’s tweet is, once again, circumstantial evidence of his copious television watching—his Tuesday missives closely track stories on Fox News—though he denies he consumes TV. That denial is about as credible as his claiming any credit for a safe 2017 in air travel, which is to say it’s about as credible as an airline’s promise of gourmet dining in coach at 39,000 feet.
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    Who cares?
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    I will call George W on Monday and thank him for 2007 . I am pretty busy until then .

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    I think a major reason most people ignore a lot of Trumps lies/exaggerations is because his job before the presidency was that as a showman, self-promoter, that line of work.

    I've known people like this personally. So when he says something like "best year ever," Greatest tax," Biggest inauguration," most people ignore it or at the most roll their eyes. Granted, if any other politician made this claim, there probably would be more people ready to mock it on at a partisan level. But in the scheme of things, politicians lie about far worse things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I will call George W on Monday and thank him for 2007 . I am pretty busy until then .
    Let's all call @Danke instead and thank him.

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    The old fake Hope & Change trick. We could have gotten that from Hillary, or even Gary Johnson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let's all call @Danke instead and thank him.
    Danke is gonna expect something nice .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Who cares?
    Maybe he's trying to tell us not to expect a plane accident. It would destroy our record.
    Truth is a social construct.

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    He is so good at airplanes his own airline went out of business. Trump Shuttle only lasted a couple of years. It had its first crash within three months when the front landing gear on one of his planes didn't come down at Logan. It was a short- hop shuttle flights between Boston, Washington, and New York. Flights were about minutes. It was 100% borrowed money (he prefers not to use any of his own in projects- none of the personal financial risk, all of the profits should they show up)

    http://heavy.com/news/2017/06/trump-...e-air-traffic/

    1. Trump Purchased Eastern Air Shuttle for $380 Million

    In October of 1988 Donald Trump announced that he had acquired Eastern AIR Shuttle. Eastern AIR Shuttle had been operating short flights between the largest cities on the east coast since 1961, making stops in New York City, Boston, Washington D.C. and Newark. Entering the 1980’s, the company was starting to struggle, and as a result, began consolidating routes and aircraft. One of those consolidations resulted in a air shuttle based and operating in the Northeast.

    Eastern’s Northeastern air shuttle, which was run by Bruce Nobles, was created to attract potential buyers. Trump purchased the Northeast shuttle for $380 million soon after, amidst a mechanics’ strike. The sale was financed by 22 banks.

    Upon announcing the purchase, Trump struck a familiar tone, saying “it’s a diamond, it’s an absolute diamond.” That sentiment was not shared by everyone.

    2. Trump Shuttle’s Fleet Wasn’t Top of the Line

    Trump didn’t exactly purchase a fleet of aircraft that were fresh out of the box, complete with the famed new airplane smell. According to Henry Harteveldt, the new company’s marketing director and a former executive at TWA and Continental, “we (Trump Shuttle) inherited more than 20 of the world’s oldest 727 airplanes. At first all we could was to clean the planes and put a sticker with Trump’s name on the side.”

    That is exactly what they did. The new fleet were painted bright white and the interiors were renovated to include maple wood veneer, chrome seat belt latches and gold colored lavatory fixtures. Looks were important for Trump, and according to some people at the time, more important than the actual inner-workings of running an airline.

    “It was this flying billboard for Trump properties,” said Harteveldt. “At the time, he was expanding his casino business [in Atlantic City], jet fuel was still relatively cheap. It was a combination of vanity and the lure of an appealing business.”

    It was also a combination of looks and technology, as Trump Shuttle was one of the first airlines to utilize self-service check-in kiosks.

    3. Trump Shuttle’s First Flight Was Delayed Due to Fog

    Trump Shuttle’s first flight took off from New York’s LaGuardia Airport. There was a string quarter playing Mozart and the sound of wine bottles being popped. The 7am flight was set to travel from New York to Washington D.C. and Trump was on hand, greeting Trump Shuttle’s first passengers.

    The weather delayed the flight 20 minutes. Some of the crew on-hand were former employees of Eastern and had participated in the recent strike against the airline. They were now grateful to be employed by Trump.

    An early sign of trouble greeted the flight in D.C., though. Pan AM Shuttle, a competitor, had announced a promotion that intended to steal the spotlight from Trump Shuttle. Pan AM had been one of the reason’s for Eastern’s demise, yet Trump was confident it would not be a reason for his, saying “I love competing against Pan Am. If you’ve got to compete, Pan Am is the one you want to compete against.”

    One method Trump employed to strike back against the competition was using fear tactics, tactics he used frequently, minus any kind of facts to back up his claims. The repeated claims left his executives at a loss for words.

    4. Trump Spent Millions Upgrading the Planes Despite Being Told Not To

    Prior to owning Trump Shuttle, Trump’s only experience operating anything that flew was operating a helicopter service that took people to and from Atlantic City, New Jersey. It wasn’t exactly the best training for someone who would later own an airline. Trump’s familiarity with airline economics and the business was lacking and would soon be a liability.

    When he bought up Eastern, Trump had purchased more airplanes than he actually needed. Trump Shuttle only required 16 planes, but in the sale, Trump had ended up 22. Even someone not in the airline business knows that a plane doesn’t make money if it’s not flying and Trump had at least six that weren’t flying. The unused plane’s proved to be a drag on the company’s already mounting debt.

    Trump had moved on though and had decided to upgrade the planes that were being used. He spent over a million dollars on each plane, upgrading each in true Trump fashion.

    “We paid too much to refurbish the airplanes,” said Brian Nobles, hired by Trump run Trump Shuttle. “My argument at the time, which fell on deaf ears, was no one was going to fly on our planes because they looked better. He disagreed because his modus operandi was to make things look flashier than anyone else.”

    Unfortunately making things look “flashier” means Trump Shuttle’s planes would weigh more than normal airplanes. The result was adding weight, 20 to 30 pounds, to planes when most airlines were looking for ways to remove weight.

    5. Trump Gave Up on Trump Shuttle After Three Years

    Trump’s excess was a useful marketing tool for Pan Am, who launched an expensive campaign lampooning him. They unveiled a new spokesman: Milburn Pennybags who was the tycoon from Monopoly.

    “On which shuttle will you find the world’s most famous investor in real estate, hotels, and transportation?” the ads asked.

    Then there was trouble with the planes themselves, specifically one plane’s front wheels not working, resulting in a plane unable to land. The pilot was eventually able to land the plane, using it’s back two wheels, a landing Trump called “the most beautiful landing you’ve ever seen.”

    By 1990, outside factors such as an economic recession in the Northeast, as well as higher fuel prices due to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, had merged with internal factors (the airline was not turning a profit, Trump feuding with his executives) and Trump Shuttle was in trouble. In 1991 Trump waved the white flag, handing over control of the airline to the banks he owed money too. The airline was eventually taken over by US Airways.
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    There is no doubt the skies are safer since Trump took office.

    Anybody that claims otherwise is fake news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Maybe he's trying to tell us not to expect a plane accident. It would destroy our record.
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    Making the skies great again. Trump has a perfect airline record!



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    So, Zippy.

    Are you claiming that there were airline fatalities during Trump's tenure?

    You are seeming to be trying to pull a fake rabbit from a non-existent hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Who cares?
    Apparently Trump does.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
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    Making the skies great again. Trump has a perfect airline record!




    You are posting charter flights. Not scheduled airlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Danke is gonna expect something nice .
    Some truck stop hookers and an eight ball do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Some truck stop hookers and an eight ball do it?
    No, I expect more now on my South American layovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Some truck stop hookers and an eight ball do it?
    And a can of sardines .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Who cares?
    I've seen this "Taking Credit" story run several times, but nobody has shown that he has actually taken credit. Does "good new" mean taking credit or am I missing something?

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    Trump has the best record vs airplane-based terrorism also

    Ever since Trump came into office, Zero planes have been hijacked & flown into skyscrapers
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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    I've seen this "Taking Credit" story run several times, but nobody has shown that he has actually taken credit. Does "good new" mean taking credit or am I missing something?
    Says it was because he was so "strict" on the airlines.

    Since taking office I have been very strict on Commercial Aviation.
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    Some days I think the guy is brilliant, and then I see something like this.... :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Says it was because he was so "strict" on the airlines.
    Where's the "because" part of the quote
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    Zippy is actually angry that no passengers died to make Trump's agencies look bad.

    We are dealing with a really suck fukk with Zippy.
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    Safe skys at Oyardes today .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Some days I think the guy is brilliant, and then I see something like this.... :-/
    He says things like this to keep his enemies distracted with trivia.

    In the end they look foolish and like they don't have anything real to attack him with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Says it was because he was so "strict" on the airlines.
    "Being strict" and "taking credit" don't sound like the same thing to me. I am no fan of Trump and I hate to say fake news, but this is worthy of the fake news label.

    I think we are dealing with lazy journalist looking for an easy, but attention grabbing headline that ultimately hurts their credibility. Did Trump actually put rules in place for aviation safety? I have my doubts that he did. How come there is no reporting about these rules or what they are. Journalist reporting this are just looking for clicks with complete disregard of journalism.
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    All amusing at best.

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