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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

    I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
    I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".
    Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

    It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bull$#@!.

    You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

    It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

    Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

    [Trump] is different than any other politician. And now we have all these wise acres out there wanting to criticize and be presumptuous about trying to judge someone’s intelligence. I can tell you he has the wherewithall to do things no other politician has, and in a good way.
    -Rand Paul


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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty?
    I don't know enough about Rand and Ron Paul to know whether they support "liberty".
    While I've seen some videos where Ron Paul says some good things, this doesn't prove to me that he supports "liberty". This only proves that he's a good talker, but I think that talk is cheap...

    The single 3 lines that you've quoted by Rand Paul, doesn't prove to me that he's positive about Trump in general.
    I do know that both Trump and father and son Paul have been backed by Bilderberg member Peter Thiel; who should be infamous for supporting "medical vampirism".



    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.
    You - Dannno - seem to do nothing else but spread propaganda.
    You're lying even more than the media, this makes you an "enemy"...

    Trump is just as much THE enemy, as Obama or Clinton (actually more akin to faithfull servants for the elite).

    As far as I can tell, the Bush crime family is different, as this is high in the world hierarchy itself.

    If I understand Zionism, NWO correctly - Rothschild is THE enemy.
    Donald Trump is a Zionist puppet for the Rothschild crime syndicate that's been partners in crime with the British and Dutch Royal families for more than a century: http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog...-and-oligarchs
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.
    In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
    Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/p...ebt/index.html


    The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
    According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
    At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II.

    Because of the December tax cuts, of which the wealthy profit most, the federal revenues are cut by $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

    There is a $1.5 trillion plan to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

    The budget deal calls for an additional $300 billion in defence spending over 2 years.
    Trump said in an Oval Office appearance on Monday:
    We're going to have the strongest military we've ever had, by far.
    In this budget we took care of the military like it's never been taken care of before.
    After the peak in the deficit in the wake of the 2008-2010 recession, President Barack Obama’s administration reduced the deficit from 9.8% of GDP in 2009 to 2.4% by 2015.
    After it reached $666 billion in the 2017 fiscal year, the deficit will likely hit $1 trillion in 2019.
    In fiscal year 2018, borrowing by the US Treasury will climb to $1.4 trillion from $550 billion in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/news/stimulus-...193132670.html




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  6. #34
    If you buy $20,000 with loaned money, you could claim that your “personal GDP” is soaring, but in reality you would put your family in a precarious financial position.
    The following 8 examples show that the current financial condition of the US is a “horror show”…

    #1 US consumer credit hit another all-time record high. In the second quarter of 2008, total consumer credit reached a total of $2.63 trillion and in 2018 that has soared to $3.87 trillion (a 48% increase in 10 years).
    #2 Student loan debts have hit another all-time record high at more than $1.5 trillion dollars (an increase of almost 80% in 8 years).
    #6 According to one recent study, the “rate of people 65 and older filing for bankruptcy is three times what it was in 1991”.

    #5 Real wage growth in the US has recently declined by the most in 6 years.
    #7 In 2018, already 57 major retailers have announced store closings.

    #8 The size of the official US budget deficit is up 21% under President Trump.
    #9 It is estimated that interest on the national debt will surpass half a trillion dollars for the first time in 2018.
    #10 Goldman Sachs has estimated that the yearly US budget deficit will surpass $2 trillion dollars by 2028: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...on-horror-show
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  7. #35
    According to The Washington Post, since Trump took office in January 2017, he’s told 6,420 lies in 649 days. During the first 9 months of his presidency, Trump made (only) an average of 5 inaccurate statements per day, but in the past 7 weeks, in the lead up to the US midterm elections, Trump has increased that to about 30 lies a day.

    Journalist David Dale described “serial liar” Trump’s recent false statements as “whoppers” that are “complete fabrications”:
    What is different about this period, these last couple months, is that he has changed it up and he has introduced a number of whoppers.
    Complete fabrications that he had not been uttering before. These are not simply the usual exaggerations with crowd sizes and so on. He is making stuff up in the last couple weeks in a way that I don’t think we’ve seen — even from a serial liar like the president before.

    I think in any other context than our roles as objective journalists, we would tell each that that was a lie. So I think if we want to regain the trust that has been lost in media we have to level with readers. We have to be seen to be straight shooters. I think in those cases the word is lie.
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-telli...lleges-1200769

    I hope that the media start telling the truth for a change, instead of the one-side propaganda that we’re spoon-fed with. I really wouldn’t want “objective journalists” to lose credibility.
    See the panel discussion with David Dale.
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  8. #36
    Here’s another lie...
    President Donald was criticised for not visiting the American troops that are fighting to make the oil corporation even richer...

    When he finally visited the soldiers in Iraq, First Lady Melania for some reason got a loader cheer than Donald.

    Donald finally got a huge response by telling them that he had personally given them a 10% raise.
    You just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one.

    They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent. Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations.

    No force in history has done more for the cause of justice and peace. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that because you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received.
    In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.
    The troops get only a 2.6% raise in 2019 and got 2.4% extra in 2018. That’s not 10%.

    Basic pay for active duty soldiers ranges from $19,659 for a new private to $38,059 for a staff sergeant with 6 years experience: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...-raise-n952336

    At about 19:00 Donald Trump starts boasting about the 10% raise.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    In reality, American troops have received a pay hike every year for decades.
    Child, please. If you're ever going to make it as a big time infotainer, you need to go BIG. Decades are chicken feed. That might make a 13 yo ooh and ahh. A century, now that's impressive.

    .U.S. Military Pay Raise History, 1794 to Present Day

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    "They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance

  10. #38
    President Donald yelled to a roaring crowd of Trump-retards:
    With all that being said though, we have $450 billion, $110 billion of which is a military order, but this is equipment and various things ordered from Saudi Arabia, $450 billion.
    I think it's over a million jobs. That's not helpful for us to cancel an order like that. That hurts us far more than it hurts them.
    https://youtu.be/48Nb8FxZxGA

    Some party poopers rated this a “Pants on Fire” lie....

    The Saudis haven´t bought anywhere near $110 billion in arms.
    Nor has Saudi Arabia ordered anywhere near $450 billion worth of goods.

    Total exports to Saudi Arabia in 2017 were $25.4 billion. “Only” $14.5 billion in arms sales has been agreed upon (not $450 billion or $110 billion). There is no reason at all to think that all of these will be bought though.


    The over one million jobs becomes quite ridiculous if you compare it to the offered exports to the Saudis.
    In 2015, the US Commerce Department said exports supported “165,000 jobs" for a export total of $29.7 billion (that´s higher than in 2017). This means that the United States gets .0000056 per job on average.
    If we take the $110 billion in arms sales as a “fact” (which it isn´t) they could generate more than 600,000 jobs. If we take the agreed upon $14.5 billion, this would support “only” 81,200 jobs.

    The arms experts have said that arm sales typically take 3 or more years to complete. When you take this into account the $14.5 billion won´t be bought in 2019 alone and the amount of generated jobs would be even much lower: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...llion-saudi-o/
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

    It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bull$#@!.

    You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

    It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

    Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.


    -Rand Paul


    Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.
    What is the most important criticism you can give about Trump, there are some great accomplishments
    to be sure, but what are the obvious 'Elephants in the room' regarding Trump's actions and pronouncements?

  12. #40
    Maybe it isn’t a total lie, because Trump did keep his promise to lower taxes for the big corporations and the filthy rich.
    But is a little misleading...

    Working families complain that the US Trump “tax reduction” takes more from them, while they expected the (promised) tax reduction.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
    This is a great example of the kind of absolutely nonsensical fairy tale level of unkeepable promises Trump is famous for.

    Nobody in their right minds could possibly have ever taken this seriously. He's the nuclear powered version of Joe Isuzu.

    But that's the thing about his supporters. They choose to let themselves depart from their right minds while they listen to him. They let him take them away to a fairy tale land that if they stopped to think critically, they would know doesn't really exist. But they refuse to think critically and deflate that euphoric fantasy they have of him. It would be like expecting some scientifically accurate explanation for how the Avengers' superpowers work rather than just suspending disbelief and enjoying the movie. People like you are just fuddy duddies spoiling their good time.

    Yes, it's true, that at the end of those 8 years, we'll actually have a much much larger debt, along with a bigger and more expensive government and less freedom. But we don't have to worry about any of that when we can just look in the mirror and hold a straight face while we ask ourselves, "Who's going to pay for it?" and then shout back to ourselves in reply, "Mexico!"

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    But that's the thing about his supporters. They choose to let themselves depart from their right minds while they listen to him. They let him take them away to a fairy tale land that if they stopped to think critically, they would know doesn't really exist. But they refuse to think critically and deflate that euphoric fantasy they have of him. It would be like expecting some scientifically accurate explanation for how the Avengers' superpowers work rather than just suspending disbelief and enjoying the movie. People like you are just fuddy duddies spoiling their good time.
    It looks to me like the Trump lies are even more blatant than those of Obama, Bush and Clinton. But I question whether it matters if they lie "only" part of the time or what looks like almost all the time (like in the Trump case).
    My main reason for not voting is that politicians don't keep promises so I don't know what I'm voting for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Yes, it's true, that at the end of those 8 years, we'll actually have a much much larger debt, along with a bigger and more expensive government and less freedom. But we don't have to worry about any of that when we can just look in the mirror and hold a straight face while we ask ourselves, "Who's going to pay for it?" and then shout back to ourselves in reply, "Mexico!"
    Arguably it's the petrol dollar that makes it possible for the US army to keep on waging wars (and other types of interference in sovereign nations), while because of this they have the most powerful army, that nobody is able to stand up to...

    If Hillary would have been president, the wars would have continued and the debt would have also increased.
    It looks like every US president bombs more countries than the last!
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    It looks to me like the Trump lies are even more blatant than those of Obama, Bush and Clinton.
    They are. By far. And this is part of why his supporters don't even see them as lies at all, hence my allusion to Joe Isuzu.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    If Hillary would have been president, the wars would have continued and the debt would have also increased.
    There's no doubt about that. But she wasn't brazen enough to promise that she would erase the entire national debt in 8 years either.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
    Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/p...ebt/index.html


    The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
    According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
    At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II.
    During Trump’s first 2 years in office, US federal government deficits have already driven the national debt up by $3 trillion – from $19.5 trillion to $22.5 trillion. That´s even faster than his predecessors, George Bush and Barack Obama.
    The 2018 Trump tax cuts have reduced US government revenues by about $500 billion in 2018;add another $.5 trillion per year in the continuing of the Bush-Obama era tax cuts; another $.4 trillion in Trump war and other spending hikes during his first two years; and more than $.6 trillion in interest payments on the debt — and you reach the $3 trillion added to the national debt in 2017 and 2018.

    When George Bush Jr. took office in 2001 the national debt was $5.6 trillion; it almost doubled in 8 years to approximately $10 trillion. When Obama left office in 2016 it had almost doubled again to $19.6 trillion.
    Under President George Bush Jr. there were more than $4 trillion in tax cuts. The US army got several trillions additionally.
    Obama cut another $300 billion in taxes in 2009 and then extended the Bush tax cuts, scheduled to expire in 2010, for two more years to 2012 (costing another $900 billion). Then came another $806 billion in tax cuts for business. In January 2013, Obama extend Bush’s tax cuts for another decade —costing a further $5 trillion until 2023.
    Both Bush and Obama cut taxes by approximately $4 trillion each. And defense-war spending long term costs rose by $6 trillion in total. Roughly a $14 trillion increase to the $5.6 trillion debt of 2000.

    To this Trump has since added another $3 trillion during, which adds up to the “current” $22.5 trillion.
    The Treasury Advisory Committee recently warned the US Treasury that it will have to sell $12 trillion more US Treasury bonds, bills and notes, over the next decade, 2018-2028. That’s $12 trillion on top of $22.5 trillion national debt or a $34 trillion national debt by 2028!

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Working families complain that the US Trump “tax reduction” takes more from them, while they expected the (promised) tax reduction.
    In January 2018 the Trump tax cut provided $4.5 trillion tax reduction from 2018 to 2028, for businesses, multinational corporations, wealthy households, and investors. US multinationals alone get nearly half of that $4.5 trillion.
    But starting this year, 2019, the middle class will begin paying for those tax reductions for corporate America, investors and the wealthy 1%. Already tax refunds for the average household are down 17%. The tax hike starts in earnest by 2022; middle class will pay $1.5 trillion in higher taxes by 2028.

    Today’s $22.5 trillion, rising to $34 trillion, is just the US national government debt. Total US debt includes state and local government debt, household debt, corporate bond and business commercial & industrial loan debt, central bank balance sheet debt, and government agencies (GSEs) debt. Add these other forms of debt to the national debt makes the total debt in the US rises some $53 trillion. This lead to an estimated grand total US debt of more than $70 trillion by 2028 (the $900 billion a year in interest charges for the banksters is probably too low an estimate): https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03...and-debt-bomb/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/hzpeF)
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  19. #46
    Brother Nathanael exposes Donald Trump as “The great pretender”.
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  20. #47
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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  21. #48
    One of the “important” campaign promises that Donald Trump actually kept is that he didn´t keep any of his presidential salary, but instead donated it to selected “charities”. Some Trump retards have used this for an argument to call the Trump administration “givers” and Obama cronies as “takers”.
    Many previous US presidents have also donated (part of their) salary to “charities”. President Obama donated part of his salary and also the complete amount he got from his Nobel Prize for “peace”: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ary-donations/


    President Trump is also NOT the first president to profit from the presidency for (much) more than his presidential salary.
    For example Bush Jr. and Cheney profitted by giving Halliburton all kinds of contracts to “rebuild” Iraq after the NATO invasion.


    According to Forbes' Dan Alexander and Matt Drange, Trump takes at least $175 million from commercial tenants, including the state-owned Industrial & Commercial Bank of China.
    Forbes noted that at least three dozen Trump tenants have "meaningful relationships with the federal government, from contractors to lobbying firms to regulatory targets".
    We don’t know all of the companies because according to federal disclosure laws Trump isn’t required to tell where his businesses get their money.

    Foreign governments have been trying to get on president Donald's good side, they've "donated public land, approved permits and eased environmental regulations for Trump-branded developments, creating a slew of potential conflicts as foreign leaders make investments that can be seen as gifts or attempts to gain access to the American president through his sprawling business empire".
    The Chinese government has granted Trump at least 39 trademarks since he took office on top of the at least 7 for Donald´s daughter Ivanka Kushner.

    Another way to “lobby” president Trump is to buy real estate from the Trump Organization. In 2017, Trump's companies sold more than $35 million in real estate.
    In the year after he got the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, "70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners' names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before".
    Some argue that this is suspicious because limited liability companies are especially founded to obscure buyers' identities.

    Donald Trump spent one third of his first year in office visiting his own properties (all expenses paid of course). On top of that more than 100 executive branch officials and members of Congress visited Trump properties in 2017 alone.
    At least 40 special interest groups held events at Trump properties and 11 foreign government's paid Trump businesses. The Kuwaiti Embassy, for example, held a National Day celebration at Trump's Washington hotel in 2017 and 2018.
    Shortly after Trump was elected in 2016, an Asian diplomat explained:
    Why wouldn't I stay at his hotel blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new president, 'I love your new hotel!' Isn't it rude to come to his city and say, 'I am staying at your competitor?'
    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...count-the-ways
    (archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190420231028/https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways)


    Another interesting “gift” came from Putin crony Aras Agalarov, who on 17 June 2016 gave Donald Trump an expensive painting.
    This was in the same month as the infamous meeting between Russians and Trump’s campaign team, which was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton and/or adopting Russian children (maybe some pretty Russian girls?).

    In the same period, several multimillion-dollar transactions transfers were done through Agalarov’s accounts.
    On 3 June 2016, for example, Aras Agalarov transferred $3.3 million to the United States, facilitated by Agalarov’s representative Irakly Kaveladze, who also used his own accounts. $725,000 of it was reportedly used to pay the balance on Agalarov’s American Express credit card.

    Russian-American oil executive Simon Kukes donated $280,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising committee and inaugural fund.
    Kukes bragged to Vyacheslav Pavlovsky, who works at the Kremlin, that he was “actively involved” in the Trump campaign. Kukes attended Trump’s fundraisers and dined with Mike Pence and Rudy Giuliani. He also had “a very warm conversation” with the Soviet born Brit-American Len Blavatnik, who has generously donated to American political candidates and was a partner with Skull & Bones man Steven Mnuchin in Ratpac-dune: https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/
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