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Thread: President Donald – Campaign promises

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I'm no expert on the political points of Rand or Ron Paul; and I can't even call myself a supporter of father and son Paul.

    I hope that a forum member, that I can take more seriously than even Dannno, can correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression is that Rand Paul isn't pro-Trump.
    I can still remember that the forum had a custom-designed banner "Who do we support? Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump - None of the above".
    Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty? That doesn't make any sense. That's like if you had a broken leg and you shot the medic who was coming to help you, or at minimum didn't help direct them toward where you were in the woods if they are looking for you. It should make people question your motivations for being here if you can't support people who are trying to help you get more liberty.

    It sounds like you're not even paying attention to what is going on and all you do is watch Trevor Noah and John Oliver or some bull$#@!.

    You don't realize you are being lied to by the media about Trump constantly.

    It is true that Trump is not the perfect liberty candidate and he could be doing a lot better on foreign policy - but what he is, is he is better on liberty on the whole than the establishment and the establishment is attacking him for it and trying to take him out.

    Ya, Rand's policies would be a lot better than Trump, although there is a pretty decent amount of overlap, and I can understand why the forum had the 'Neither Hillary nor Trump' logo, in fact I sported it because I didn't vote for Trump. All I did was discuss how the mainstream media was lying about him constantly. But I didn't know for certain what his motivations were, if he intended to win, if he was a spoiler or what.. When he won, and the media gnarled their teeth and became even more vicious, that was a pretty good signal that we were going to see some positive changes. Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.

    [Trump] is different than any other politician. And now we have all these wise acres out there wanting to criticize and be presumptuous about trying to judge someone’s intelligence. I can tell you he has the wherewithall to do things no other politician has, and in a good way.
    -Rand Paul


    Rand Paul has praised Trump numerous times for moving things in a positive direction.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Why wouldn't you support people who are promoting liberty like Ron and Rand Paul if you favor liberty?
    I don't know enough about Rand and Ron Paul to know whether they support "liberty".
    While I've seen some videos where Ron Paul says some good things, this doesn't prove to me that he supports "liberty". This only proves that he's a good talker, but I think that talk is cheap...

    The single 3 lines that you've quoted by Rand Paul, doesn't prove to me that he's positive about Trump in general.
    I do know that both Trump and father and son Paul have been backed by Bilderberg member Peter Thiel; who should be infamous for supporting "medical vampirism".



    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Because the media is the enemy, if you don't know that, you're either dumb or you are purposefully obfuscating the reality of our existence.
    You - Dannno - seem to do nothing else but spread propaganda.
    You're lying even more than the media, this makes you an "enemy"...

    Trump is just as much THE enemy, as Obama or Clinton (actually more akin to faithfull servants for the elite).

    As far as I can tell, the Bush crime family is different, as this is high in the world hierarchy itself.

    If I understand Zionism, NWO correctly - Rothschild is THE enemy.
    Donald Trump is a Zionist puppet for the Rothschild crime syndicate that's been partners in crime with the British and Dutch Royal families for more than a century: http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog...-and-oligarchs
    Do NOT ever read my posts.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    7. Trump has failed to balance the Federal Budget.
    In 2016, Donald Trump promised that he could rid the US national debt of $19 trillion debt in 2 terms as president "over a period of eight years".
    Trump warned that the US is "sitting on a bubble right now that's going to explode": https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/02/p...ebt/index.html


    The new budget plan looks more like a ballooning deficit, that will likely swell debts and deficits.
    According to Goldman Sachs, the budget bill will increase the US deficit by $1.1 trillion next year.
    At more than $20 trillion, greater than the annual GDP, the United States' debt is already at its highest level since World War II.

    Because of the December tax cuts, of which the wealthy profit most, the federal revenues are cut by $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

    There is a $1.5 trillion plan to upgrade the nation’s infrastructure.

    The budget deal calls for an additional $300 billion in defence spending over 2 years.
    Trump said in an Oval Office appearance on Monday:
    We're going to have the strongest military we've ever had, by far.
    In this budget we took care of the military like it's never been taken care of before.
    After the peak in the deficit in the wake of the 2008-2010 recession, President Barack Obama’s administration reduced the deficit from 9.8% of GDP in 2009 to 2.4% by 2015.
    After it reached $666 billion in the 2017 fiscal year, the deficit will likely hit $1 trillion in 2019.
    In fiscal year 2018, borrowing by the US Treasury will climb to $1.4 trillion from $550 billion in 2017: https://www.yahoo.com/news/stimulus-...193132670.html




    Last edited by Firestarter; 02-13-2018 at 11:22 AM. Reason: Added graph
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  6. #34
    If you buy $20,000 with loaned money, you could claim that your “personal GDP” is soaring, but in reality you would put your family in a precarious financial position.
    The following 8 examples show that the current financial condition of the US is a “horror show”…

    #1 US consumer credit hit another all-time record high. In the second quarter of 2008, total consumer credit reached a total of $2.63 trillion and in 2018 that has soared to $3.87 trillion (a 48% increase in 10 years).
    #2 Student loan debts have hit another all-time record high at more than $1.5 trillion dollars (an increase of almost 80% in 8 years).
    #6 According to one recent study, the “rate of people 65 and older filing for bankruptcy is three times what it was in 1991”.

    #5 Real wage growth in the US has recently declined by the most in 6 years.
    #7 In 2018, already 57 major retailers have announced store closings.

    #8 The size of the official US budget deficit is up 21% under President Trump.
    #9 It is estimated that interest on the national debt will surpass half a trillion dollars for the first time in 2018.
    #10 Goldman Sachs has estimated that the yearly US budget deficit will surpass $2 trillion dollars by 2028: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...on-horror-show
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