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    'Forcing' North Korea Denuclearization...But Does South Korea Agree?



    US National Security Advisor HR McMaster has warned that the US is ready to "force" the denuclearization of North Korea. Of course that means a US military strike. But how enthusiastic is South Korea about being in the crosshairs after a US strike?
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    McMaster goes full retard.

    McMaster very frankly admitted “we are not committed to a peaceful resolution,” and that the US goal is to force denuclearization at any cost. …

    over just the past week, the US has held a military exercise in South Korea which was a practice invasion of North Korea, including seizing all North Korean nuclear arms …

    Unfortunately, it appears that the US is still determined to see North Korea either unilaterally submit to all US demands, or start a huge war over it.
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    The U.N. Security Council unanimously voted in favor of a U.S.-drafted resolution to increase sanctions on North Korea by cutting almost 90 percent of refined oil exports to Pyongyang, BBC reported Dec. 22.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ns-north-korea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The U.N. Security Council unanimously voted in favor of a U.S.-drafted resolution to increase sanctions on North Korea by cutting almost 90 percent of refined oil exports to Pyongyang, BBC reported Dec. 22.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...ns-north-korea
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    Of course the South doesn't want that way, Seoul (20+ Million ) would possibly be wiped out within minutes. . .

    of course those making decisions for the US don't seem to care about that, though

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    ... this all makes me wonder if having the Winter Olympics in South Korea is a good idea, or an open invitation to a nuclear strike by North Korea on South Korea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    ... this all makes me wonder if having the Winter Olympics in South Korea is a good idea, or an open invitation to a nuclear strike by North Korea on South Korea...
    Or a False Flag Operation.
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    RPI Update:

    The North and South Koreans met near the DMZ for some 12 hours and agreed on four very important points: First, the North would send a team to South Korea to participate in the Winter Olympics next month. A high-level delegation from the North would accompany the team and the South would allow them to enter even if the individuals were under sanctions. The two Koreas also agreed to follow up with bilateral talks with the aim of relieving military tensions on the Korean peninsula. Third, the two countries agreed to resolve "national problems on our own," which sounds like a statement addressed to Washington. Finally, they agreed to resume temporary reunions of families separated by war. …

    the North Korean Olympic team intends to march into the Olympics together with the South Korean team -- a symbolic yet dramatic development that is hard to ignore …

    Washington's bullying tone and recalcitrant demands that North Korea concede all the cards it holds before being allowed to sit down at the table has rendered the US strangely irrelevant to the whole process. This is similar to US irrelevance in post-ISIS Syria, as years of blockheaded demands that "Assad must go" have eliminated the US from any meaningful role in the political resolution …

    Similarly, the US has become much less relevant in the Israel/Palestinian conflict after President Trump's decision to infuriate the rest of the world and move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    These are all very good things. The more the US becomes irrelevant in conflicts across the globe, the closer we get to a de-facto non-interventionist foreign policy. …

    North and South Korea are talking and may soon do more. Syrians have looked to other allies to help fight ISIS and other externally-supported terrorist groups. Though still maintaining illegal bases in Syria, the US is backed into a corner with nothing to add and nowhere to go. The Palestinians and even the Israelis understand that the heavy hand of the US in their dispute looks more like a sign of weakness as the rest of the world just ignores its demands …

    But the neocons are not quite finished yet. … the warmongering neoconservative Edward Luttwak published an article titled, "It's Time to Bomb North Korea." … he argued in the piece that North Korea must be brought to heel by US bombs. … the military "expert" Luttwak assures us that such an attack will be a cakewalk. The North Koreans are almost surely bluffing about their capacity … And the Chinese? Don't worry about them, writes Luttwak, they're actually on our side: … In fact, China explicitly warned Washington that it would back North Korea if the US attacks first. But what about a post-attack North Korea imploding, with millions of refugees … And the millions of South Koreans (and estimated quarter of a million Americans) living in range of North Korea's formidable retaliatory missile capabilities? … [Luttwak claims] this vulnerability should not paralyze U.S. policy for one simple reason: It is very largely self-inflicted. "Self-inflicted." The South Koreans have it coming. … [South Korea should moved] its ministries and bureaucrats away from the northern border … So they have it coming. Millions will die but it's just tough luck. "[A]ny damage ultimately done to Seoul cannot be allowed to paralyze the United States in the face of immense danger to its own national interests," Luttwak (or is it Luttwacko) says. …

    And who provides for Luttwak's comfortable living … Washington Beltway think-tankistan of course! Luttwak is a senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a massive policy center drowning in cash from the military-industrial complex. A glance at their corporate donors tells the tale: Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Saudi Aramco, General Dynamics, General Electric, Raytheon, Booz Allen Hamilton, etc. The military-industrial complex makes billions off of pointless wars, they plow millions back into Washington think tanks to purchase "policy papers" and articles such as "It's Time to Bomb North Korea," and they get more wars and more billions. It is evil. It wears a suit and tie. It even goes to church on Sundays. But it robs the future of millions overseas, it robs our future, it robs our children of any hope for security or prosperity as trillions are wasted and enemies multiplied.

    Edward Luttwak should be called out for what he is: a monster inciting mass murder. … Yet there he is, writing in mainstream publications, being treated as an "expert" by the mainstream media. …
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    Dr. Paul and Daniel McAdams on the Korea Breakthrough Talks

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    From Anti-War: Kore Peace Breaking Out Despite McMaster

    Even as Trump and Kim were exchanging escalating insults over the past few months, the lines of communication were opening up between North and South Korea – and reaching Washington. Around mid-December South Korean President Moon Jae-in requested that the regularly scheduled military provocations exercises by joint US-South Korean forces, designed to simulate an invasion of the North, be postponed until after the Olympics: Trump, for all his alleged testosterone-driven aggression (imagine all that “toxic masculinity”!), readily agreed. That led to the Panmunjun “peace village” meeting in the demilitarized zone and the start of talks where the North agreed to send athletes and an entire delegation to the Olympic games and to continue ongoing talks with the South on lessening tensions.

    President Moon … has long pushed for the renewal of the “Sunshine Policy” that opened relations with the North in the late 1990s up until 2008, until it was sabotaged by George W. Bush

    North Korea today is depicted as practically an alien civilization peopled by soulless robots … so easy for H.R. McMaster and his fellow demons to plot and scheme a “limited” military strike on North Korea … It’s easier to murder people thousands of miles away whom you don’t know and don’t see, and this is how North Korea is going to overcome this obstacle to peace: by sending their two best skaters to the Winter Olympics. Ryom Tae Ok and Kim Ju Sik have already qualified to compete in the Olympics …



    Defying the international sanctions that have isolated the North, the South Korean government is paying their way, providing lodging, and granting them every amenity. As Ryom and Kim perform their complicated routines with unbounded skill, we in the West are going to look at them with a question on our minds: Do they really deserve to be vaporized because of a war that ended nearly 70 years ago? …

    it’s the beginning of a new phase in North-South relations, and the start of the decoupling process that was begun, ironically, by this President when he brought up the US-South Korean trade imbalance and raised the possibility during the presidential campaign of withdrawing US troops and having the South take care of their own defense. …
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    Washington in All its Brilliance Deployed Nuclear Capable Long Range Stealth Bombers to Guam During the Recent North-South Peace Talks

    During the bilateral talks between North and South Korea this week, the US Air Force deployed three nuclear-capable B-2 Spirit bombers to Guam, along with some 200 airmen. The Guam base has long been seen as the likely staging area for US attacks against North Korea.

    Adding context to this deployment, while the US never formally objected to the talks, there were reports at the time that the Trump Administration was debating carrying out a “limited” sneak attack against North Korea.

    Though the reports on the attack suggested it was likely to be in the future, likely during the Winter Olympics, the deployment of the US warplanes has doubtless added to military tensions …

    Putting nuclear-capable bombers in Guam on the eve on the Winter Olympics, and immediately after President Trump bragged about his nuclear button doubtless will further inflame concerns throughout the region …
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    Listen to ABC idiot George Stephanopoulos challenge Tulsi Gabbard , "Was it a mistake to take out Gaddafi?"



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    Full Interview with Tulsi Gabbard, Korea stuff starts at 2:30



    Gabbard: “I’ve been calling for President Trump to sit across the table from Kim Jong Un without preconditions, work out the differences, figure out a way to build this pathway towards denuclearization ...

    “Our country’s history of regime change wars has led countries like North Korea to develop and hold onto these nuclear weapons, because they see it as their only deterrent against regime change,” said Gabbard. “And this is what’s important for President Trump to recognize. It is critical that we end our policies of regime change wars to provide that credible guarantee that the United States is not going to go in and topple the North Korean regime, so that these conversations can begin toward denuclearization.”

    ABC Idiot Stephanopoulos: “Just to be clear, you’re saying that Kim Jong Un’s nuclear arsenal is our fault?”

    Gabbard Response to the idiot: "What I’m saying is that Democrat and Republican administrations for decades, going back over 20 years, failed to recognize the seriousness of this threat, failed to remove it. And we know that North Korea has these nuclear weapons because they see how the United States, in Libya for example, guaranteed Gaddafi, we’re not going to go after you; you should get rid of your nuclear weapons. He did, then we went and led an attack that toppled Gaddafi, launching Libya into chaos that we are still seeing the results of today.

    North Korea sees what we did in Iraq, with Saddam Hussein, with those false reports of weapons of mass destruction. And now seeing in Iran how President Trump is decertifying a nuclear deal that prevented Iran from developing their nuclear weapons, threatening the very existence and the agreement that was made.

    So yes, we’ve got to understand North Korea is holding on to these nuclear weapons because they think it is their only protection from the United States coming in and doing to them what the United States has done to so many countries throughout history.”
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    Washington Humiliates South Korea, Threatens North Korea

    Fearing that peace might break out with the two Koreas talking to each other, Washington instructed South Korean President Moon Jae-in to keep the message about anything but peace. It is not just Trump. A former top official for the Obama administration warned Moon that South Korea was not going to get anywhere with the North Koreans unless they have the “US behind them”. … The official went on to say, “If South Koreans are viewed as running off the leash, it will exacerbate tension within the alliance”. Running off the leash! Now more humiliation …

    During the talks it was agreed for North Korea to participate in the Winter Olympics … The two countries will even march together under a common flag, and future talks between the two are planned … the two Koreas have “engaged in the most substantive direct talks in years”. Neocons … are outraged … To Washington, South Korea talking peace is weak, running off the leash and going it alone without its US master. …

    In retaliation the US sent more nukes to Guam, and put the state of Hawaii on a full alert that a “ballistic missile was inbound“. The nukes outbound to Guam are real; the ones inbound to Hawaii were fake, … The US wants its chorus to perform the tragedy of telling North Korea to obey or watch 500,000 of their children die. As Madeleine Albright said about Iraq’s 500,000 dead children from US sanctions, “the price is worth it“. …

    The US continues to block efforts at diplomacy, and express its contempt for South Korea’s elected President Moon Jae-in … elected on a peace platform … Moon’s predecessor Park Geun-hye sang from the US hymnbook … and now she is in prison. Peace is not anything that Washington’s plutocrats want to hear … The message of the humiliation from US apparatchiks is that if Moon does not change his tune the US will try to undermine South Korea’s democracy with a regime change project …The US habitually meddles in other’s elections, and wants to keep tensions high on the Korean peninsula … Even at the risks of a nuclear war, which the US proposes making easier.

    The establishment nearly went to war with North Korea in 1994 until Bill Clinton negotiated peace. … It was the US all along that refused to talk, preferring belligerence and threats … Once Clinton showed a willingness to bargain, then a nuclear deal was struck. The deal was called the Agreed Framework. What North Korea wanted then for it to suspend its nuclear program was for the US to halt the massive military exercises on North Korea’s border, a non-aggression guarantee, compensation for abandoning its needed electric producing nuclear reactors, and relations with the US. Now the situation with North Korea is back to where it was in 1994. George W. Bush reversed the path of peace … tore up the Agreed Framework, put North Korea on the Axis of Evil list … Very predictably North Korea resumed its nuclear program for self-defense against a paranoid and unpredictable USA …

    Kim Dae-jung had come to visit Bush shortly after winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his Sunshine Policies of peace with North Korea. Instead of welcoming President Kim and his peace efforts, Bush humiliated him by shockingly calling North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-il a dwarf … later Bush called out North Korea to pay particular attention to Libya as an example of how a country is welcomed into the international community when it unilaterally gives up its nuclear defense program. North Korea paid attention … Gaddafi said in a 2008 speech that “one of these days America may hang us like they did Saddam “. In 2011 Gaddafi met a brutal death at the hands of US proxies; he was anally raped with a bayonet and left to rot on public display in a meat locker. … Hillary Clinton cackled “we came, we saw, he died”, hahaha“. Now fast forward to 2018 and the US is threatening war against North Korea again. …

    North Korea has experience with US brutality … the US bombed Korea for 3 years, wiped out 20% of its population and destroyed every city, village and vital structure. President Truman threatened to bomb them with the atomic bomb … Truman preauthorized MacArthur’s replacement General Matthew Ridgeway to use the nuclear bombs at his discretion. The US public is oblivious to US recklessness …

    After the US military occupation of South Korea from 1945 to 1948, South Korea was ruled by US backed repressive dictators until the first democratic election in 1993. The first despot that the US installed was Syngman Rhee in 1948 … had lived in the USA from 1912 until 1945, when he was flown back to Korea by the US military. …

    For many decades North Korea outpaced South Korea in economic development and in their standard of living until the 1970’s. … it suffered two floods and a drought in the 1990′s that resulted in famines. On top of that the US has imposed killer economic sanctions. … Little is ever mentioned about the economic collapse of South Korea in 1997, which the US had to rescue with a financial bailout package that reached $90 Billion. …

    North Korea is not only willing to sit down at the table with the US, but it has long been proposing negotiations to a deaf USA ear. What North Korea says it wants today are the same things that were negotiated with Clinton in the Agreed Framework: security, compensation, and economic relations with the US. There is nothing unreasonable that North Korea is asking for, and that is probably why the US refuses to negotiate. … the US wants continued hostilities; otherwise if it wanted peace it would welcome diplomacy.

    It is the US that is unpredictable. … The US enemies list has nothing to do with democracy, freedom and human rights. If it did the US would not be friends, allies, and benefactors to brutal kingdoms, monarchies, dictators, fascists and human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Honduras, Haiti, and UkraineUS foreign policy is based on hegemony, empire, power, corporate interests, corruption and self-interests of the high and mighty, not democracy and human rights.

    The US has attacked at least 32 countries just since WW2. North Korea has a defense budget of only $7.5 billion, compared to the US $1 Trillion. North Korea has developed nuclear weapons because the US has been threatening it with nuclear destruction since 1950, introduced nuclear weapons into South Korea in 1957 in violation of the armistice agreement and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The US keeps practicing regime change decapitation invasions and nuclear attacks against North Korea. … the US’s 15,000 nuclear arsenal … is an asymmetrical and existential threat to North Korea and every other non-compliant small country. North Korea has nuclear weapons because it does not want to humiliate itself by being a US poodle. …
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