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    WATCH: Pastor Owns Cops Who Try to Illegally Shut Down His Free Speech

    An anti-abortion group protesting outside of an abortion clinic schooled local police on their rights, after they were harassed with the threat of arrest.

    By Jack Burns - December 16, 2017

    Tempe, AZ – When police attempted to shut down an anti-abortion rally, one activist called them out for abusing their authority and usurping the law they are sworn to protect. “Pastor Jeff,” was featured in a video of the encounter, which was posted online.

    For years, anti-abortion activists have taken to streets and sidewalks in protest, and more often than not, their battle is with the officers who try to silence them, as police often side with people who complain about the activists’ presence and free speech.

    It is important to note that no matter how you feel about abortion, it is anyone’s right to take to a public space and peacefully voice their opinion either for or against it.

    According to Apologia Studios, the page that uploaded the video, the officers involved showed no interest in the legality of their actions, and they intentionally targeted a veteran activist—even confiscating his property. In a response to a comment on their Facebook page, they wrote:

    What you are not aware of (and you prejudged) is that this officer revoked the right to speak for a veteran in abortion ministry that has been out for many years and has saved countless children. He literally isn’t even able to speak right now at the mill (with or without amplification). They confiscated his property and have effectively silenced him.
    Pastor Jeff says he’s a preacher at Apologia Church. He and his fellow activists were stationed on Baseline Avenue in Tempe, outside an abortion clinic. They were peacefully attempting to convince women seeking abortions to choose life instead of killing their babies. Along with the usual posters of fetuses, pro-life messages, and t-shirts, Pastor Jeff’s team also employed a loudspeaker.

    An officer approached Pastor Jeff, asked for his ID and told him that he had received a noise complaint. Jeff was ready. He produced a copy of a Town of Tempe ordinance, which stated the officer could not arrest him without first testing their loudspeaker with a decimal meter. Not knowing the law, or previous Supreme Court decisions, the frustrated officer called in his female supervisor, a sergeant, who also demanded to see Jeff’s ID.

    Jeff explained to the responding officer that the officers needed to have a calibrated decimal meter and that he did not have to produce his ID unless he had been cited with a crime.

    The sergeant seemed to know who each and every one of the activists were. That is apparently due to the fact that Tempe police recently arrested one of them—unlawfully, according to Pastor Jeff—because he failed to exercise his rights under the law. Now, that activist has a “court case” against him for “disturbing the peace.”

    Jeff threatened to sue the sergeant, Tempe police, and the Town of Tempe, Arizona, if they failed to protect his civil rights and his Constitutional rights to express his free speech.

    “Ma’am I reject your warning,” Jeff said. “You need to repent of your lawless conduct!”

    Not backing down, Pastor Jeff promised to get right back on his loudspeaker, under the threat of arrest, and continue to “save lives” of the unborn as well as minister to expectant mothers as they choose life instead of death for their unborn babies.

    Not only did Jeff know the law better than Tempe police, but he exposed them for their own lack of knowledge of the law. Additionally, he uncovered their unwillingness to be educated in the very law they were sworn to protect and uphold. As a result, Jeff concluded they were mere “thugs” who were attempting to “harass” and “intimidate” the activists into getting off the streets and ceasing their ministry.

    READ MORE: VIDEO: Activist Threatened with Arrest, Forced to Leave Public Space for Informing Jurors of Their Rights
    The lesson he taught all activists can be summarized in a few important points:

    1. Know the law.

    2. Have a printout of the statutes and ordinances.

    3. Do not give in to pressure to identify oneself simply because a badge-wearing bully demands your 100 percent compliance.

    4. Fight fear with facts. It may be scary at first to be threatened with arrest but use that fear to quote the law, as well as the disposition of the officers.

    5. After demonstrating a respect for the rule of law, threaten to sue any law enforcement officer and agency with a lawsuit should they choose to infringe upon one’s rights.

    At no time did Jeff offer his last name. He was not moved from his public sidewalk, he was not placed in handcuffs, and was not arrested—at least not on the day of the recording.

    Regardless of how one feels about abortion, all free thinkers should agree the anti-abortion group (as well as other groups whose message may be offensive to some) has the right to free speech and that right should be protected by police, not met with promises of arrest. It is shameful that any law enforcement agency engages in such unconstitutional behavior, but unfortunately, it seems to be the norm, rather than the exception.
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    That's all well and good until you're bleeding out on that sidewalk, and the rest of the country sides with the cop because they still assume if you've been ventilated by a cop you were breaking the law.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I'd agree with the Pastor, but Tempe city code states the following:

    (b)

    Non-residential zones. It shall be unlawful for any person to create any noise on any street, sidewalk or public place adjacent to any school, institution of learning or church while the same is in use or adjacent to any hospital, which noise unreasonably interferes with the workings of such institution or which disturbs or unduly annoys patients in the hospital; provided that conspicuous signs are displayed in such streets, sidewalk or public place indicating the presence of a school, church or hospital; or that is detrimental to the health, safety and welfare of the public in a manner including but not limited to, a use or operation that diverts the attention of pedestrians or vehicle operators in public streets, parks and places.

    (Code 1967, § 19A-5; Ord. No. 2000.01, 1-20-00; Ord. No. 2013.37, 7-30-13)
    That is one broad definition and the cops could easily get away with citing him for violation... he might lose in court.

    The Tempe code does say this too...


    Sec. 20-5. - Measurement criteria.

    For the purpose of enforcement of the provisions of this chapter, noise level shall be measured on the A-weighted scale with a sound level meter satisfying at least the applicable requirement for Type 1 sound-level meters as defined in American National Standard S 1.4-1971 or the most recent revisions thereof. The meter shall be set for slow response speed, except that for impulse noises or rapidly varying sound levels, fast response speed may be used. Prior to measurement, the meter shall be verified, and adjusted to ±0.3 decibel by means of an acoustical calibrator.

    (Code 1967, § 19A-3)
    So he may have a point.... I'd do it anyway just to screw with the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    That's all well and good until you're bleeding out on that sidewalk, and the rest of the country sides with the cop because they still assume if you've been ventilated by a cop you were breaking the law.
    I applaud this Pastor--standing firm on his convictions, with wisdom and knowledge.

    "You must stand for something! It does not have to be grand, but it must be a positive that brings light to someone else's darkness."
    ~ Anthony Carmona

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    This pastor is a good example of how to firmly, but respectfully, quote the law and constitutional rights to law enforcement.

    The first cop, the older one, seemed persuaded and respectful. The woman supervisor who showed up was very unprofessional.

    As to the section of code @jllundqu quoted: it appears that only applies if it is in an area

    adjacent to any school, institution of learning or church while the same is in use or adjacent to any hospital, which noise unreasonably interferes with the workings of such institution or which disturbs or unduly annoys patients in the hospital; provided that conspicuous signs are displayed in such streets, sidewalk or public place indicating the presence of a school, church or hospital
    So if that situation at that location did not apply, the code is on their side.

    Police need to be educated on the law and civil rights. But they put their lives on the line every day, and are used to dealing with people in a certain way, so if you confront them in a respectful manner you have a better chance at your desired outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    But they put their lives on the line every day, and are used to dealing with people in a certain way, so if you confront them in a respectful manner you have a better chance at your desired outcome.
    Pfffft...my job is, statistically, much more dangerous than police work, but I don't get a special pass to be an $#@! to other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Pfffft...my job is, statistically, much more dangerous than police work, but I don't get a special pass to be an $#@! to other people.
    I am not implying they get a free pass. I am saying if you treat people with respect, even if they don't deserve it, you have a better chance at obtaining the results you want. This pastor was a good example of that, in my opinion. Ultimately, the cops walked away and left him alone (at least that day).
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    Jeff Durbin is legitimately great.
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    Jeff Durbin is a Reformed Baptist. I thought no one here liked Reformed people?






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