Live updates: Alabama Senate race

[Brian4Liberty]

Reasons Roy Moore lost, in order of importance:

1. Weak candidate right from the start.
2. Intensive smear campaign.
3. Establishment GOP turning on him.
4. Neocons turning on him and putting up shill write-in candidates.
5. Democrat get out the vote efforts (including fear mongering).
6. Last and very much least, possibly some minor vote fraud (out of State voters?).

Without 1 and 2, he wins.

Without 2, 3 doesn't happen, he still wins.

4, 5, 6 happen no matter what, but would have little effect without 1, 2, 3.

[donnay]

And another thing: there was no "voter fraud".

Trump is a polarizing figure and toxic to downballet races.

Half the country thinks he is, literally, Hitler.

All it took to flip this seat in deep red Alabama was a $#@!ton of money to energize blacks, woemen and liberal city dwellers.

There are many more of "them" than "us".

Boom, there ya go.

[Zippyjuan]

Evidence of voter fraud exists in the election.
Democratic activists made a last-minute push to get out the vote against Roy Moore in Alabama by encouraging “African-Americans in Mississippi” to vote in the wrong state.
Sources on the ground in Alabama confirm that these tactics are real, and they have been used by supporters of Democrat Doug Jones.
Big League Politics received evidence of a Reddit call for “African-Americans in Mississippi” to “make a short trip to Alabama on December 12.” That Reddit thread is still active.
Similar calls have been made on Reddit for African-Americans in other nearby states, including Georgia and Tennessee.
]BLP


https://bigleaguepolitics.com/eviden...lts-come-late/



Via Reddit
Reddit links:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Georgia/com...ocratic_party/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Georgia/com...ocratic_party/
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https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/12...te-in-alabama/

Got pictures of the busses? Alabama is a voter ID state so they are going to need valid ID to vote. And they do not allow walk up registration so these people needed to have previously registered with valid Alabama ID at least 15 days prior. Can't just show up and vote. Fake news.

(Redit thread is from a month- 28 days- ago)

this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2017

[Swordsmyth]

Got pictures of the busses? Alabama is a voter ID state so they are going to need valid ID to vote. And they do not allow walk up registration so these people needed to have previously registered with valid Alabama ID at least 15 days prior. Can't just show up and vote. Fake news.

(Redit thread is from a month- 28 days- ago)

Evidence is the beginning of an investigation, you have pointed out what needs to be looked into.
As far as the voter ID and registration issues are concerned the local officials might be looking the other way while the registrations of dead voters etc. are used.

[Zippyjuan]

Evidence is the beginning of an investigation, you have pointed out what needs to be looked into.
As far as the voter ID and registration issues are concerned the local officials might be looking the other way while the registrations of dead voters etc. are used.

Yes, you need evidence. A post in an internet forum is hardly evidence.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, you need evidence. A post in an internet forum is hardly evidence.

Who died and left you in charge of deciding what is evidence?

It is evidence whether or not it is proof.

[Zippyjuan]

Who died and left you in charge of deciding what is evidence?

It is evidence whether or not it is proof.

If you expect the election commission to look into possible voter fraud, you are going to need something a lot stronger and more reliable.

[Swordsmyth]

If you expect the election commission to look into possible voter fraud, you are going to need something a lot stronger and more reliable.

I'm sure the Moore campaign has people looking into it right now, I on the other hand am merely having a discussion on an internet forum.

We also have proof in the other Moore thread that they were buying votes.

[phill4paul]

Reasons Roy Moore lost, in order of importance:

1. Weak candidate right from the start.
2. Intensive smear campaign.
3. Establishment GOP turning on him.
4. Neocons turning on him and putting up shill write-in candidates.
5. Democrat get out the vote efforts (including fear mongering).
6. Last and very much least, possibly some minor vote fraud (out of State voters?).

Without 1 and 2, he wins.

Without 2, 3 doesn't happen, he still wins.

4, 5, 6 happen no matter what, but would have little effect without 1, 2, 3.

1. Prior to the smear campaign which included establishment parties, both R and D, and media how much did he lead by? Weak candidate?
2. YUP.
3. YUP.
4.YUP.
5. Yup. They outspent him what..15-1?
6. Always possible.

He would have won hands down until the sexual molestation accusations and the subsequent bolt. He wasn't a weak candidate. He was the strongest. Until the left and right establishment, along with the media, brought DOOM.

[Zippyjuan]

I'm sure the Moore campaign has people looking into it right now, I on the other hand am merely having a discussion on an internet forum.

We also have proof in the other Moore thread that they were buying votes.

How much are they paying? I might have one for sale- if the price is right. What is the nature of the proof? Were they paying in checks?

Link?

[Swordsmyth]

How much are they paying? I might have one for sale- if the price is right. What is the nature of the proof? Were they paying in checks?

Link?

Show up to protest (actually to vote, but since that's all kinds of illegal, the flyer doesn't put it quite that way) and get $50





http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...participation/

They botched it, the whole thing talks about voting and how they want you to vote, they only mention a rally in the line offering money and then they immediately link it to your vote in the next line.

They can be prosecuted for buying votes over this.

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[Zippyjuan]

So they might pay $1 (or as much as $50) if you show up at a rally? (doesn't say you get paid if you vote) How many rallies were there? How many showed up? Hope they didn't bust their budget.

Herron joined about two dozen people for a rally at the park in support of Vote or Die, a voter- registration and get-out-the-vote movement launched a few weeks ago by Selma activist Fiya Toura to raise awareness and boost voter turnout in the December 12 special election between Republican Roy Moore and Democrat Doug Jones to fill Alabama's U.S. Senate seat.

MASSIVE TURNOUT!!!!!!!

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...f_roy_moo.html

That should buy enough votes to win an election!

[phill4paul]

So they might pay $1 if you show up at a rally? How many rallies were there? How many showed up? Hope they didn't bust their budget.



http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...f_roy_moo.html

That should buy enough votes to win an election!

They might pay $50. If you are on an off plasma buying day, then why not?

[Swordsmyth]

So they might pay $1 (or as much as $50) if you show up at a rally? (doesn't say you get paid if you vote) How many rallies were there? How many showed up? Hope they didn't bust their budget.



MASSIVE TURNOUT!!!!!!!

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...f_roy_moo.html

That should buy enough votes to win an election!

That's just the operation we have the proof for, how many more were out there?

[Zippyjuan]

That's just the operation we have the proof for, how many more were out there?

Probably ended up buying almost zero votes. Better get into investigating that!

[phill4paul]

Probably ended up buying almost zero votes. Better get into investigating that!

Well, truth be told, the votes were bought by special interests through media, social media trolls and aligned party members that turned their back. That was where the real money was spent. There's nothing "trickle down" in politics.

[Swordsmyth]

A defiant Roy Moore declined on Wednesday to concede the Alabama Senate election to Democrat Doug Jones, saying that he is waiting on the Alabama secretary of state to certify the vote count.
In a wide-ranging video address posted online, Moore said that the race between him and Jones remained close, and that military and provisional ballots had yet to be counted.

[Swordsmyth]

© Getty

Roy Moore's campaign announced Friday that it is seeking donations for an "election integrity fund" following the former judge's unsuccessful bid for an Alabama Senate seat.
Moore has refused to concede the race, which went to his Democratic opponent Doug Jones with 50 percent of the vote compared to Moore's 48 percent.
The campaign is seeking to meet a deadline to report cases of voter fraud before Alabama's secretary of state certifies the vote. The election will be certified between Dec. 26 and Jan. 3.




In a letter sent out to supporters, the campaign said its budget "ran through" on Tuesday, the night of the Alabama special election, and asked supporters to help raise another $75,000 to collect reports of "voter fraud and other irregularities at polling locations throughout the state."

"My campaign team is busy collecting numerous reported cases of voter fraud and irregularities for the Secretary of State's office," the statement said.

More at: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...integrity-fund

[Swordsmyth]

For those with the means and the desire: https://www.roymoore.org/Support-Judge-Moore/

[r3volution 3.0]

Reasons Roy Moore lost, in order of importance:

1. Weak candidate right from the start.
2. Intensive smear campaign.
3. Establishment GOP turning on him.
4. Neocons turning on him and putting up shill write-in candidates.
5. Democrat get out the vote efforts (including fear mongering).
6. Last and very much least, possibly some minor vote fraud (out of State voters?).

Without 1 and 2, he wins.

Without 2, 3 doesn't happen, he still wins.

4, 5, 6 happen no matter what, but would have little effect without 1, 2, 3.

#1 is why he lost (one might add "very").

But issue number #37 is why he should have lost.

What's issue #37 you ask?

It's his disinterest in things that matter, like spending, in relation to trivia like some gibberish about a cake.

[Swordsmyth]

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill says he is investigating concerns of voter fraud in last week’s Senate special election

Merrill, a Republican, told Fox10 Monday he was investigating a viral clip of a Doug Jones supporter on election night. In a spontaneous interview in the moments after the race was announced for Jones, the supporter spoke about getting people out to vote.

“We came here all the way from different parts of the country as part of our fellowship and all of us pitched in to vote and canvas together and we got our boy elected,” the supporter, who is not identified, says.

“Well, it’s very disconcerting when someone who’s not from Alabama says that they participated in our election, so now it’s incumbent upon us to try to identify this young man, to see what kind of role he played ― if it was to simply play a canvassing roll, or if he was part of a process that went out and tried to register voters, or if he himself actually became a registered voter,” Merrill said.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-c...182838785.html

[Zippyjuan]

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill says he is investigating concerns of voter fraud in last week’s Senate special election

Merrill, a Republican, told Fox10 Monday he was investigating a viral clip of a Doug Jones supporter on election night. In a spontaneous interview in the moments after the race was announced for Jones, the supporter spoke about getting people out to vote.

“We came here all the way from different parts of the country as part of our fellowship and all of us pitched in to vote and canvas together and we got our boy elected,” the supporter, who is not identified, says.

“Well, it’s very disconcerting when someone who’s not from Alabama says that they participated in our election, so now it’s incumbent upon us to try to identify this young man, to see what kind of role he played ― if it was to simply play a canvassing roll, or if he was part of a process that went out and tried to register voters, or if he himself actually became a registered voter,” Merrill said.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-c...182838785.html

Helping or encouraging registered voters to get out to the polls is not voter fraud. To actually vote, people had to be registered at least 15 days before the election and have valid ID- both at the registration and at the polls. Alabama is a voter ID state. People can't just show up at the polls and vote. Even if the are legal state residents.

Merrill said, so far, there is no concrete evidence that any voter fraud has taken place.

"We don't have any evidence of people doing that, our numbers do not indicate that has happened

The Secretary of State's Office also said voter fraud would be unlikely because every voter is required to show a government photo identification card before casting a vote.

"We have one of the most stringent voting laws in the nation," said Merrill.

[Swordsmyth]

Helping or encouraging registered voters to get out to the polls is not voter fraud. To actually vote, people had to be registered at least 15 days before the election and have valid ID- both at the registration and at the polls. Alabama is a voter ID state. People can't just show up at the polls and vote. Even if the are legal state residents.

The kid said people came from "all over the country" to vote, the local Demoncrat machine might have provided phony IDs and registrations.

If your side has nothing to hide why are you afraid of an investigation?

[Zippyjuan]

The kid said people came from "all over the country" to vote, the local Demoncrat machine might have provided phony IDs and registrations.

If your side has nothing to hide why are you afraid of an investigation?

If he came from outside the state and was not registered to vote in the state and did not have proper ID, he would not have been able to vote. The Republican Secretary of State said there was absolutely no evidence of any voter fraud- all according to your own source.

"We don't have any evidence of people doing that, our numbers do not indicate that has happened."

[Swordsmyth]

If he came from outside the state and was not registered to vote in the state and did not have proper ID, he would not have been able to vote.

Unless the local Demoncrat machine provided fake Identities and registrations.

The Republican Secretary of State said there was absolutely no evidence of any voter fraud- all according to your own source.

That is why they are going to try to find it with an investigation.

[Zippyjuan]

Unless the local Demoncrat machine provided fake Identities and registrations.


That is why they are going to try to find it with an investigation.

The Alabama political machine is Republican. The Secretary of State- in charge of elections and voter registration- has been Republican ever year but four since 1998. He sees no evidence of fraud. So if there was fraud, it had to involve Republicans. Were Republicans trying to register more Democrats?

[Swordsmyth]

The Alabama political machine is Republican. The Secretary of State- in charge of elections and voter registration- has been Republican ever year but four since 1998. He sees no evidence of fraud. So if there was fraud, it had to involve Republicans. Were Republicans trying to register more Democrats?

Alabama has a Demoncrat party and they control some local jurisdictions.

[Swordsmyth]

Were Republicans trying to register more Democrats?

Were there Republicans opposing Moore?

[dannno]

The Alabama political machine is Republican. The Secretary of State- in charge of elections and voter registration- has been Republican ever year but four since 1998. He sees no evidence of fraud. So if there was fraud, it had to involve Republicans. Were Republicans trying to register more Democrats?

Why do you post this horse $#@! here? You post like you have been here for less than a week, you've been here for almost 10 years!!! Clearly the Republican establishment opposed Moore, and that is one of the reasons why most people here actually supported him.

[Zippyjuan]

Why do you post this horse $#@! here? You post like you have been here for less than a week, you've been here for almost 10 years!!! Clearly the Republican establishment opposed Moore, and that is one of the reasons why most people here actually supported him.

So do you think that the Republicans hurriedly rushed to register out of state Democrats between the primary and the election just so Moore could lose the election? Why? That could put them at risk in future elections in the state as well.

There were two months between Moore getting the nod in the primary and the special election.