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    Video, SFPD shoots unarmed fleeing stolen vehicle suspect

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    I've been in some force-on-force training classes (civilian, non-LEO/military) where someone went from apparently unarmed to shooting me (plastic pellets) in a heartbeat. The debrief after my scenario was basically "Yeah, you should've shot him much sooner."

    So, I could see where the LEO would react that way to someone being right outside their car window.

    I'd wager he'll probably get off with minimal repercussions, for this reason.

    The mistake here, imho, is that they didn't keep their distance, to better assess the person getting out of the car.

    I had the same opinion about the Tamir Rice shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck000 View Post
    I've been in some force-on-force training classes (civilian, non-LEO/military) where someone went from apparently unarmed to shooting me (plastic pellets) in a heartbeat. The debrief after my scenario was basically "Yeah, you should've shot him much sooner."

    So, I could see where the LEO would react that way to someone being right outside their car window.

    I'd wager he'll probably get off with minimal repercussions, for this reason.

    The mistake here, imho, is that they didn't keep their distance, to better assess the person getting out of the car.

    I had the same opinion about the Tamir Rice shooting.
    Anyone who has been to a Use of Force class knows that SCOTUS already ruled on this in Tennesee V. Garner. Can't shoot a fleeing felon unless there is a imminent deadly threat to self or public.
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    SAN FRANCISCO (BCN/KTVU) - Police on Thursday showed the body-worn camera footage of a fatal officer-involved shooting that occurred last week in San Francisco's Bayview neighborhood to an emotional crowd during a town hall meeting at a church. What the crowd learned: The officer who shot California state Lottery carjacking suspect Keita O'Neil was unarmed when the rookie officer - four days on the job - pulled out his gun and killed him.
    4 days on the job. No experience, just training...
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    I have taken force on force training too. The lesson I learned is to shoot someone as they offer to shake your hand because you will be dead if you don't.

    It is good training for reflexes and understanding the worst case scenario. It is also good for training paranoia and shooting J. Q. Yuppie as he reaches for his ID for a seatbelt violation.



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