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    'Nobody should remove their bulletproof glass'

    I would have a gun and bulletproof glass but that's just me.

    In a loud voice, the head of an association representing beer deli owners in Philadelphia told a crowd Friday at an emergency meeting and news conference – with City Councilman At-Large David Oh and State Rep. Todd Stephens in support – that business owners should not arm themselves with guns, but should refuse to take down their bullet-resistant safety partitions if ordered to do so by city officials.

    “Do not use guns. This is not the solution,” said Adam Xu, chairman of the Asian American Licensed Beverage Association. “If this bill passes, nobody should remove their bulletproof glass. … We will tell the entire city government and all citizens of Philadelphia: ‘We love the community like everybody else. We do not want gun violence.'”

    Xu was speaking before a crowd of about 200 beer deli owners and their supporters in response to a City Council bill –expected to be voted on Thursday – that could force them to eventually remove the thick-plastic partitions that separate the owners, many of whom operate in high-crime areas, from the public.

    Stephens, a Republican who represents part of Montgomery County, said that next week, he plans to propose new state legislation to protect employees. “Everyone in Pennsylvania, whether you live in Erie, whether you live in Lancaster, whether you live in Lansdale or in Philadelphia, must be able to protect themselves against violence,” he said.

    “As a state, we must do everything in our power to ensure that no local government can use innocent employees as human shields in a political battle, and we’re not going to stand for that,” Stephens said to applause at the Saigon Maxim restaurant on Washington Avenue in South Philadelphia. “If Philadelphia City Council has problems with certain businesses within the city, they ought to take it up with those certain businesses,” he said.

    On Monday, City Council’s Committee on Public Health and Human Services unanimously passed an amended version of a bill introduced by City Councilwoman Cindy Bass, which in part calls for the city’s Department of Licenses and Inspections to come up with rules no later than Jan. 1, 2021, on “the use or removal of any physical barrier” between food servers and customers in a food establishment with 30 or more seats.

    Bass has worked to curb neighborhood nuisances and has said that stop-and-go stores, where people can buy single cans of beer from early morning until late at night, foster drug activity and drunkenness. She has also said that some of them don’t serve food as required.

    She has called the bullet-resistant windows an “indignity,” saying it felt as if the store owners were serving food to customers considered dangerous or in “prison.” Beer deli owners and their advocates have said that without the windows, their lives would be at risk.

    Because beer delis need to have a “restaurant” or “eating place” license from the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board to sell malt liquor or beer, and state law requires such places to have seating for at least 30 people, such businesses would have to apply for a city “large establishment license” under Bass’ bill if they want to continue selling beer.

    Potential restrictions on barrier windows would not apply to small establishments, such as takeouts or coffee shops that don’t sell alcohol.

    Oh, who opposes the bill, urged those present at Friday’s meeting to contact the other Council members and Mayor Kenney to urge them to oppose it. “The bottom line is the safety glass is not hurting anybody,” he said. “It prevents bullets, knives and criminals. It is not there to insult the community.”...
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    She has called the bullet-resistant windows an “indignity,” saying it felt as if the store owners were serving food to customers considered dangerous or in “prison.” Beer deli owners and their advocates have said that without the windows, their lives would be at risk.
    The councilwoman Cindy Bass says protective glass for employees is an "indignity" to customers. First, every customer has the right to choose for themselves whether to patronage any store. Shouldn't it be the customer's choice to decide what shops are "indignant" and choose not to shop there. Isn't it indignant for little Ms. Dictator to try to play Mr. Daddy to take away the a customer's right to choose for themselves what's "indignant" or not. Customers have no problem making the choices when there is Plexiglas in taxis, banks, government buildings, etc. If you don't like it , don't go to the store.

    Little tyrant Cindy Bass' real problem is that customers don't mind, just like they don't mind the Plexiglas in taxis, or banks , or late night gas stations and convenience stores. She can't stand stand that other people don't subscribe to her view, and thus she wants to impose her worldview standard on everyone else by force.

    Aside from that, wannabe tyrant councilwoman Cindy Bass suggested that the shop should instead use security guards, metal detectors and wands. How is one more indignant than the other. Next year Cindy Bass or some other would-be overlord will say its "indignant" to go through a metal detector or be scanned by a security guard and try to ban those too (City Hall and government buildings exempted of course).
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    An interesting mental exercise - how did this idea end up in her head?

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    What is a beer deli owner ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    What is a beer deli owner ?
    I'm not sure but I think it's a deli that serves cans of Malt Liquor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Well , if I own a deli with 30 seats and sell cans of malt liquor and you do not like my bullet proof windows you a free to buy your deli malt liquor somewhere else . WTF ? Philly leading the way with brain damage as usual .



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