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    Pope Francis Wants To ‘Update’ The Lord’s Prayer

    In the latter days there will be so much deception, you will need wings to stay above it--if you keep in God's word daily it is harder for them to deceive you.

    Contrary to what the Pope said about the death penalty God said, "bring them to me!" 6th commandment: Thou shall do no murder (to lie in wait, premeditate ones demise.) Has nothing to do with self-defense or crimes of passion.

    God does not lead us into temptation, Satan does. Satan temps people, as he tried, and failed on Jesus.

    The disciples asked Jesus for examples of how they should pray to the God (YHVH):

    Luke 11 and Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)

    Pope Francis Wants To ‘Update’ The Lord’s Prayer

    "Lead us not into temptation."



    ByMICHAEL J. KNOWLES December 8, 2017
    Ever the innovator, Pope Francis suggested during a television interview on Wednesday an update the Lord’s Prayer, the "Our Father" given by Christ to his Apostles. The pontiff rejects the common translation of the final verse, “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil” as a poor translation because it implies that God rather than Satan leads people into temptation.

    “A father doesn’t do that,” insists Pope Francis. “He helps you get up right away. What induces into temptation is Satan.” Francis suggests rewriting the final verse to read, “Do not let us fall into temptation” to better explain the role of Satan as tempter. But as Spencer Klavan, lecturer in Ancient Greek at Oxford University, points out, this translation neglects the original text.

    While peirasmos, the word for “temptation” in Ancient Greek, may be open to alternate interpretations, who precisely does the leading is not. Peirasmos connotes not only “temptation” but also “trial” and “testing,” as in "to test one’s mettle.” It is in all of these senses, two paragraphs before St. Matthew relates the prayer, that Jesus is “led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be [tempted/tested] by the Devil.” In both cases, while the Devil does the tempting, God leads the way to the trial.

    Just why God might lead his faithful into temptation or testing poses a difficult theology question if not an outright mystery. Klavan suggests that perhaps God leads men into the opportunity for sin to discover who they truly are, thereby recognizing their sinfulness and utter dependence on God.

    All major translations of the New Testament render the verse as some variation of “lead us not into temptation,” including the NIV, ESV, BLB, NASB, KJV, HCSB, ISV, NET, ABPE, NAS, JB, AKJV, ASV, DRB, ERV, WBT, WNT, WEB, YLT, and RSV, as well as well as virtually all non-English translations. However, since his pontificate began in 2013, Pope Francis has regularly flouted tradition. He opened the door for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics to receive the sacraments in last year's apostolic exhortation "Amoris Laetitia," and in October the Pope declared the death penalty “contrary to the Gospel,” both positions seemingly at odds with scripture and millennia of sacred tradition.

    Some conservative Catholics have grown increasingly uneasy with Pope Francis’s public statements. In September, a group of conservative Catholics publicly released a “filial correction” to Francis accusing the pope of heresy. Philip F. Lawler, editor of the conservative Catholic World News, laments, “Pope Francis has made a habit of saying things that throw people into confusion, and this is one of them. It just makes you wonder, where does it stop, what’s up for grabs? It’s cumulative unease.”

    French churches began using the Pope’s suggested revision of the Lord’s Prayer on Sunday. It remains to be seen whether other countries will follow suit.
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/24497/...en.yandex.com#
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Ever the innovator, Pope Francis suggested during a television interview on Wednesday an update the Lord’s Prayer, the "Our Father" given by Christ to his Apostles. The pontiff rejects the common translation of the final verse, “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil” as a poor translation because it implies that God rather than Satan leads people into temptation.
    What a dumbass.

    Terry Davis needs to be Pope.

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    I have a major problem with Francis, but this strikes me as trivial (albeit stupid/pointless on his part).



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