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"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
Really? That's the argument. And was it the so called "Israelis" that took Palestine forcibly or did they rely upon the "rest of the world" as in UK to do that for them? Who provided the weapons and the billions of dollars in foreign aid and the political cover for the systemic forcible taking of territory and peoples? Oh yeah, that's right, they relied on the "rest of the world" to provide that for them as in US/UK. But will the sword label the Israel "weak and cowardly" for relying on US/UK.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
And while sword rightly condemns US assistance in arming, funding and supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda Saudi dictatorship aggression in Yemen, funding revolution, where is the condemnation for supporting and aiding the Israeli government's aggression over the decades. US funding alone at $3 billion a year, plus training, military and intelligence cooperation, weapons supply, logistics, political cover, and more. But when the government of Israel relies on US/UK to tilt the scales of its violence , well then its the victims' fault for resisting in the methods they can, and simultaneously the victims are "weak and cowardly" because the don't have the outside superpower assistance that is provided to the Israeli government. Such mentality is inherently self-contradictory.
Last edited by AZJoe; 12-12-2017 at 02:49 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Lebanon
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-10-2017 at 06:25 PM.
Amid ongoing controversy over the US decision to move its embassy to Jerusalem, a Bahraini delegation has arrived in Israel to "send a message of peace", according to media reports.
A report in the Times of Israel on Sunday said the visit indicated a warming of ties between the two countries, which do not maintain diplomatic relations.
Comprising two dozen members of a group called This Is Bahrain, the delegation will stay in Israel for four days to "send a message of religious tolerance and coexistence", according to the Times.
More at: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...71210074923592
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Brussels
Netanyahu arrives to Brussels for first official EU trip in 22 years
where he was greeted by EU Foreign Policy Chief Federica Mogherini ahead of a joint press conference.
Cairo
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-11-2017 at 07:57 AM.
Iran
Almanarnews English- @AlmanarEnglish · 15 min.
Sayyed Nasrallah: Let us make this lame US decision the beginning of its withdrawal
Almanarnews English- @AlmanarEnglish · 9 min.
Sayyed Nasrallah: We have been with Palestine since the 1940s and we will stay with Palestine until the Muslims can pray in Al-Aqsa and the Christians can pray in the Resurrection church
Egypt
Enrico Ivanov@Russ_Warrior · 11 min.
Documents that officialise the construction of the first nuclear power plant in the history of #Egypt have been signed by Putin and Sisi. This project is worth 30 bln $.
Russia, Egypt to sign historical nuclear agreement
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ear-agreement/
Enrico Ivanov@Russ_Warrior · 13 min.
Putin and Sisi agree on Palestine, Syria and Libya.
The Presidents of #Egypt and #Russia have expressed their dissatisfaction with Donald Trump’s Jerusalem move.
Putin-Sisi Review
http://theduran.com/putin-and-sisi-m...ria-and-libya/
Turkey
Putin arrives in #Ankara to meet with President of #Turkey Erdogan.
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-11-2017 at 04:01 PM.
Osama bin Laden's son attacks Saudi Arabia in aftermath of Jerusalem announcement, calls for monarchy's overthrow
http://www.newsweek.com/bin-ladens-son-saudi-arabia-jerusalem-743990
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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More Fallout Updates:
Israel’s claim to all of Jerusalem isn’t recognized by the international community or international law. … Great Britain announced it will maintain its embassy in Tel Aviv. Canada’s prime minister announced Canada is keeping its embassy in Tel Aviv …
Since the United Nations Security Council has mandated that no unilateral changes can be made to the status of Jerusalem, the Security Council responded to the U.S. declaration by calling an emergency session December 8th. …
What is unreported by NATO media is that following President Trump’s announcement the UN’s General Assembly on December 7th passed nine draft resolutions …
- Assistance to Palestine refugees, was adopted, 162 for and 1 (Israel) against … This resolution expresses extreme concern for Palestinian refugees under occupation and the urgent need for reconstruction of Gaza.
- Persons displaced as a result of the June 1967 and subsequent hostilities, was adopted, 158 in favor, 7 against … This draft resolution reaffirms the right of displaced persons to go back to their homes and former residences.
- Operations of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, was adopted, 162 for to 6 against … The resolution’s focus on funding was accompanied by concern for the freedom of movement, harassment and intimidation of United Nations (UNWRA) staff.
- Palestine refugees’ properties and their revenues, was adopted by a vote of 159 to 7 against … This resolution requests the protection of Arab property, rights and assets.
- Work of the Special Committee to Investigate Israeli Practices Affecting the Human Rights of the Palestinian People and Other Arabs of the Occupied Territories, was adopted by a vote of 83 to 10 … The draft resolution requests continuing investigation of Israeli practices and consultation with the International Committee of the Red Cross to assure human rights protections in the occupied territories.
- Applicability of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and the other occupied Arab territories, was adopted by 157 to 7 … This resolution assures applicability of the Geneva Conventions to the Occupied Palestinian Territory (and Arab territories taken over since 1967).
- Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan, was adopted by 155 for, 7 … It condemns the acts of violence by Israeli settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.
- Israeli practices affecting the human rights of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, was adopted by vote of 153 to 8 … The resolution demands Israel stop violating the human rights (including the killing of, injury, arbitrary detention, etc.) of the Palestinian people and to stop all settlement activity.
- The occupied Syrian Golan, was adopted by a vote of 151 for 2 against (Israel, Palau) …The resolution affirms previous UN resolutions and insists on not establishing settlements in the occupied Syrian Golan. …
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
Revolutionary Guard Commander Says Iran Will Support Palestinian Forces In Fight Against Israel
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/iran-revolutionary-guard-commander-says-will-support-palestinian-forces-fight-agains
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Reuters Top News
'We are one': Palestinian Christians and Muslims unite against Trump's Jerusalem call
Hamas Announces Beginning of Third 'Intifada' Against US Decision on Jerusalem
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...hird-intifada/
The previous intifadas in 1987-1991 and 2000-2005 left hundreds of Israelis and thousands of Palestinians dead.
Gaza
Conflict News-
BREAKING: Rockets sirens sound in communities bordering Gaza - @i24NEWS_EN
News_Executive
BREAKING: Red alarm siren sounding in southern Israel near the border with the Gaza strip
further sirens going off in Israel across a number of northern locations right now...
Brussels
Aldin
EU Foreign Policy Chief Federictap dancerherini reaffirmed the position of the European Union, saying that "we believe that Jerusalem shall become the capital of two states; West Jerusalem for the State of Israel, East Jerusalem for the State of Palestine."
Translation: Bibi's visit failed...
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...bebfee325.html
Trump's first terrorist.NY Port Authority suspect blames bombing on Israeli actions in Gaza
NEW YORK — The suspect in a pipe bomb attack on this city’s Port Authority Bus Terminal said he was motivated by Israeli actions in Gaza, CNN reported.
Akayed Ullah spoke with authorities at Bellevue Hospital, where he was taken after the bomb went off prematurely. He was among four people injured in the attack when his homemade bomb partially detonated in a tunnel connecting the Times Square subway station with the Midtown Manhattan transit hub during Monday’s morning rush hour.
New York Police identified Ullah, 27, as a resident of Brooklyn. He is said to be of Bangladeshi origin and has lived in the United States for the past seven years. CNN cited a “law enforcement source” who said Ullah said he was upset with an unspecified “incursion into Gaza.”
On Friday, rockets fired at southern Israel from Gaza damaged the entrance of an empty kindergarten in the town of Sderot. Israel responded late Friday night with airstrikes on Hamas military installations in Gaza that killed two Hamas operatives.
On Saturday, the Israel Defense Forces discovered and demolished a terror tunnel that crossed into Israel from central Gaza.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-13-2017 at 07:55 PM.
Pathetic. You'll stop at nothing to re-frame every bone people have to pick with Trump's stupid foreign policies as an assault against [your] truth, which is clearly whatever angle favors Trump.
There is no irony.The irony is that what the president said does not concede those rights and claims. His recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital reflects a reality that it is the seat of Israel’s government and that, for the Jewish state, Jerusalem will always be its capital — there is no other city that could be. For Palestinians, they too no doubt cannot envision any city but Jerusalem as the capital of their state, if and when it emerges from moribund negotiations. The president’s statement does not rule that out: On the contrary, he said that the United States is not taking a position on “the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders.” Those questions, he said, “are up to the parties involved.”
More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/moving-u-...215434421.html
Israel is our colony, meaning it does not exist w/o the USG's Mid East presence. Trump now recognizes Jerusalem as that colony's capital, which means any challenge to their choice for new capital will be met by our military, and there will be more challenges simply because of this stupid move. Trump's neocon pals in Likud will not initiate or participate in any further talks, so long as we've given them Jerusalem, and that's exactly what the carrot's done. The Israelis will never hand half the city over to a future, hypothetical Palestine, now that they have full cooperation from USG for making the move permanent. Our colonists will continue removing Palestinians and settling Israelis in their place, until in ten years time there won't be a Semite left in Jerusalem.
Sorry but I condemn just about every other foreign policy move that Trump has made.
None of that is any different now than it was before, Israel was NEVER going to give up Jerusalem in whole or in part and we have been totally committed to their defense for longer than I have been alive.
Whether you think we own them or they are independent doesn't matter, one way we are telling the truth about something we have been lying about for decades and the other way we correctly recognized a sovereign state's capital.
Last edited by Swordsmyth; 12-13-2017 at 06:15 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC)
Emergency OIC meeting on Jerusalem kicks off in Istanbul
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-off-istanbul/
Ragip Soylu-@ragipsoylu
Organisation of Islamic Cooperation recognises Eastern Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine. The decision is taken during a summit in Istanbul
OIC's final communique says it will take Jerusalem issue to UN General Assembly if UN Security Council 'fails to take action'
http://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/oi...estine-2890515
mac musabay- @mmusabay
OIC declares East Jerusalem capital of Palestine, urges US to withdraw from peace process
Malaysia
Conflict News- @Conflicts · 49 sek.
BREAKING: Armed Forces ready to help Palestinians: Malaysian defense minister - @Jerusalem_Post
Israeli Intelligence Minister Invites Saudi Crown Prince to Visit Israel
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.828759
Amichai Stein-
#BREAKING: 2 Rockets launched from Gaza towards Israel intercepted by Iron Dome missile defence system; Since last week 14 rockets were launched from #Gaza
Israel News Feed
ISRAEL ROCKET ATTACK:
- 5 rockets fired from Gaza
- 2 successfully intercepted
- 3 land in open area
- Multiple treated for shock
Al Jazeera English
Trump's decision "represents an extreme bias against the rights of the Palestinian people in Jerusalem," Saudi King says
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/1...161923915.html
For those in DC never interested in being honest brokers between Israel and Palestine, this must be a relief: don't have to pretend anymore.
Gaza Lockdown
Israel puts Gaza border on lockdown over security concerns
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...rity-concerns/
“Due to security-related incidents and after analyzing the current situation, the Kerem Shalom crossing, which is used for goods transfer,
and the Erez pedestrian crossing will be closed tomorrow,”
The IDF spokesman said Israel held Hamas responsible for the “poverty, destruction, and despair” of the population of the Gaza Strip,
which has been under Israeli blockade for a decade.
Hamas announced the start of the third “intifada,” saying that the rocket shelling aimed at Israel from Palestinian territories
is a matter of self-defense rights for Palestinians and that the movement had been provoked by the United States.
Lebanon
Israeli minister threatens to destroy Lebanon
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...stroy-lebanon/
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-14-2017 at 01:17 PM.
Re OIC declaration...
The OIC ruling acknowledged Jerusalem as capital of both Israel and Palestine now...
Probably the most fair and balanced thing thats happened in the peace process.
Now that capitals are established after 70 years.... maybe they can negotiate something else?
Admittedly OIC is a Sunni pep rally... and Erdogan never misses an opportunity to strongman another nation for a brief stint as champion for Muslims.
but...
it's distinct from Iran's position re illegal 'State' of Israel and 'Palestine only' position.
On the flip side however..
they aren't recognized internationally because they export terrorism...
and their goal of dar ul Islam is global conquest and conversion of all the world population to Muslims.
so.. we still have a problem. (sigh)
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-14-2017 at 06:52 AM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
amin dada- @kambrone64
Russia may establish military base in Turkey (regard this a rumor till further notice...)
https://en.trend.az/world/turkey/2835175.html
Russian experts may be employed to service Turkey’s S-400s — Turkish top diplomat
http://tass.com/defense/98109
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Turkish embassy to be opened in East Jerusalem
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/as...2142241470001/
(heh heh.. clever move)
deal was finalized this week... been in the works for more than 6 months..
Turkey haggling over 'details'... wanted the hard-coded 'software'.. Russia said 'like hell' hahaha.
delivery in 2018...
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Poland
OSAC
@OSACState
2 hod.
Security Message from the U.S. Embassy in #Poland notes protest activity scheduled for tomorrow related to the #Jerusalem recognition outside the Embassy in #Warsaw.
Japan
OSAC-
@OSACState
4 hod.
Security Message from US Mission in #Japan notes protest activity related to #Jerusalem recognition on Sunday afternoon in Tenjin area of #Fukuoka near American Center.
Last edited by goldenequity; 12-14-2017 at 08:07 PM.
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