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Yea, I'd consider that
No, you're insane
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
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It's all about Freedom
To the contrary, I was suggesting that you were doing so.
Through history, the average monarchy has been much more liberal (less spending, taxing, regulating, police-stating, etc) than the average democracy. Even today (and there are only a handful of monarchies in the world), they're above average. I posted about this a few months ago at some length, comparing current monarchies and democracies on the basis of the economic freedom index. And this should be not be surprising if you do economic analysis of different forms of government. The theory suggests just what the empirical evidence demonstrates.
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
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It's all about Freedom
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict.../authoritarian
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/authoritarian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
https://www.britannica.com/topic/authoritarianism
The opposite of Liberty.Authoritarianism, principle of blind submission to authority, as opposed to individual freedom of thought and action.
and "you're Welcome."
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
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It's all about Freedom
And why do you think that's more applicable to monarchy than democracy?
A government which spends and taxes less is better than a government which spends and taxes more, yes.So one Authoritarian government spends less that some other Authoritarian government
What's that? A government with a Constitution, which is ignored?limited government with little authority
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
But they are, and inevitably so.
If a government has no money to spend, it doesn't exist.Government (a nebulous thing) should have no money to spend.. so your only point, is moot.
So, are you advocating anarcho-capitalism?
BTW, I'm still not sure why you think monarchy is more "authoritarian" than other forms of government, if that's your claim.
A monarchy is better than a democracy in that when people realize they are being screwed, you just kill the king. In other words, the only way it is better, or even different, is the ease of which it can be abolished.
You forgot Farm C.
C is a collection of farms really, but Fred claims the right to control all of them and demands that you swear to obey his every command for the privilege of working his fields. And if you complain too loudly he'll have his overseer, Carl, come out and kill you.
Democracy is better than monarchy. Indeed, the problem with democracy is that it more and more degrades into monarchy, with a centralized state that claims ownership of all land and the ability to kill whomsoever violates its edicts.
@PierzStyx
Would you answer my question re Farms A and B?
As owner, Bob's income equals the profits of the farm, and so he has an incentive to maximize its profits; whereas Steve the manager has no such incentive, since his income remains the same regardless of the profitability of the farm. Isn't that true?
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Interesting video of Queen Elizabeth II discussing the welfare-state with Reagan in 1991
"Well, you see, all of the democracies are bankrupt now...[because of welfare spending]."
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
My point is that a monarch has the incentives of an owner, while elected officials have the incentives of salaried managers.
That is, a monarch has an incentive to maximize state profits, while elected officials do not.
Now, what is state profit? The state's revenues minus its costs.
What are state revenues? Taxes.
How do you maximize tax revenues? In the short term, you can raise tax rates. In the long run, you need to grow the tax base.
How do you grow the tax base? Liberal economic policy.
Hence, a monarch's self-interest motivates him to implement liberal policy; elected officials have no such motivation.
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There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
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Your assumptions.
Indeed, it seems clearer and clearer that there is no difference between Socialism and Monarchy.
Farms B and C are really the same farm- centrally managed socialized land controlled by an authoritarian power who enacts its will "for the good of the people" who are held in check by overwhelming threats of violence- knights, KGB agents, it is all the same- and mass propaganda. In the mean time those in power drain the resources of said land for the good of themselves and the politically connected elite, leaving just enough that the serfs can continue to propagate and provide a continual productive class for the leeches in power to feed from.
Last edited by PierzStyx; 12-15-2017 at 01:06 PM.
Indeed
As for the theory, it's just the inverse of the argument for monarchy.
The fact that liberal economic policy would grow the tax base and therefore increase state profits is of no interest to the elected politician, because he does not share in state profits; he's a mere salaried manager, whose salary is the same whether there's 10% economic growth thanks to laissez faire or -10% growth thanks to a massive welfare state. His primary motive is instead (re)election, which which means placating various lobbies. What do those lobbies want? They want as many benefits for themselves as possible, regardless of the cost to society at large.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
@PierzStyx You're not going to answer my question?
For your convenience, I've simplified the argument and broken it down into its component parts.
Tell me exactly which of the parts is wrong and why.
1. A monarch has an incentive to maximize tax revenue, because that is synonymous with his own income.
2. Maximizing tax revenue in the long run requires growing the tax base (contra just raising tax rates).
3. Liberal economic policy is the best way to grow the tax base
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
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