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    Trump Calls Abbas: Tells Trump 'No Palestinian state without East Jerusalem as capital'
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-5-2017/


    US President Donald Trump briefs Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas over the phone regarding “his intention” to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    Abbas tells Trump that the Palestinian position is “that there will not be a Palestinian state without East Jerusalem as its capital,” according to a report in the official PA news outlet Wafa.

    It was not clear from the statement if Trump planned to move the embassy immediately or at some point in the future, with no further details provided.

    The Palestinian leader says such a move would undermine the two-state solution and would promote violence and extremism across the region.

    Abbas’s spokesperson Nabil Abu Rudeineh says the PA president will continue to be in touch with world leaders to prevent what he called the “unacceptable action.”


    Erdogan: Recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is ‘red line’ for Muslims
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...tics+-+Text%29


    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the Trump administration on Tuesday that recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital is a “red line” for Muslims.

    Erdogan, while speaking to Parliament, said such a step by President Trump would force Turkey to cut off all diplomatic ties with Israel. He pledged to rally other Muslim countries to oppose any move to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The White House has been considering recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel despite growing calls from the Middle East and Europe to reconsider the move. The possible recognition might come this week.


    Trump to call Netanyahu, Jordan king as Jerusalem decision looms

    The White House says US President Donald Trump to call Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and King Abdullah of Jordan amid speculation the president is planning to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    A statement says Trump will likely call other foreign leaders over the issue later today.


    German FM says recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli capital ‘counterproductive’

    “A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between the two parties,” Germany’s Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabirel tells reporters in Berlin.

    “Anything that escalates the crisis during these times is counterproductive,” he adds.






    US President Donald Trump had been due to make a decision decision on the Holy City yesterday,
    He has delayed it until MONDAY
    following a string of public and private warnings from leaders around the globe.


    Iraq joined with its warning.
    Iran called on Arabs to cut ties with Israel.
    Arab League.... even Saudi Arabia/(Jordan)Abdullah is warning against it.




    can you spell 'T H I R D I N T I F A D A' ?
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-05-2017 at 11:39 AM.



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    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Is this the outcome of "Peace Process" that Kushner was carrying on?


    According to TOI news, some Palestinian editor allegedly issued this anti-semitic statement in reaction recent Peace Process efforts apparently:


    Senior Palestinian news editor: Jews control Washington

    Ma'an editor-in-chief Nasser Laham says there's no difference for Palestinians when negotiating with Israel or US because both are controlled by Jews

    By TOI staff 3 December 2017

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, right, and US President Donald Trump shake hands at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem, May 23, 2017. (AP/Sebastian Scheiner)

    The editor-in-chief of a major Palestinian news agency on Saturday alleged that Jews control Washington and are pushing the United States to consider recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    “The Jews rule in Washington and the Jews rule in Tel Aviv. What’s the difference?” said Ma’an News Agency editor-in-chief Nasser Laham on Saturday in a television interview on his agency’s own channel, recalling a classic anti-Semitic trope that Jews run the world behind the scenes.

    Get The Times of Israel's Daily Edition by email and never miss our top stories
    Laham was responding to a question as to whether it was in Israel’s interest to sever the Palestinian-American relationship by pushing for Washington to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state.
    The Palestinians have said that should the US recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, which President Donald Trump is reportedly considering doing this week, it would mean the end of US-backed peace negotiations.

    Ma’an News Agency editor-in-chief Nasser Laham (YouTube Screenshot)

    The Palestinians want East Jerusalem for a future Palestinian state, while Israel says the whole of the city is the Jewish state’s capital.
    “It’s the same if we negotiate with them (i.e. Jews) in Washington or in Tel Aviv. It’s the same framework,” Laham said.

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    Trump Reportedly Informs Abbas, Jordan's Abdullah He Intends to Move U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.826990

    Amichai Stein-Conta verificada
    @AmichaiStein1
    #BREAKING: "Trump told President Abbas he is going to move the US embassy in #Israel to Jerusalem" - Abbas spox

    Israel News Feed- @israelHatzolah · 5 min.
    BREAKING: President Trump told President Abbas he is going to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

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    counterpoint
    "Trump ISN'T moving the Embassy right away, just stating he wants to soon, big difference than whats being reported in Headlines...

    Trump was expected to announce as soon as Wednesday that he will again delay moving the US embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem but stress that he wants to do so, a senior administration official said.
    The official said Trump was also likely to say that the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-05-2017 at 11:47 AM.

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    He could be just practising "art of the deal" on Abbas... sort of like he practised 'fire n fury' on NK few weeks ago.

    There is no evidence that Trump is like Clinton, nor there is any news report suggesting that he would try any "wag the dog" distraction to make Flynn, Mueller, Schumer and Pelosi support the commander in chief and leave the gov un-shut.






    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    To be fair, this could help fix his MSM poll numbers though.
    There was a headline on Drudge yesterday that his gallop disapproval jumped to 62% overnight after Flynn-Kushner scandal news reports.

    Since Trump 'fire and fury' nuke threat, his job approval numbers have gone up




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    The real reason Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel was because he feared losing his evangelical voter base

    There are those evangelicals who believe in the prophecy of the ‘End of Days’ foretelling Jewish control of all Jerusalem, a war of civilisations, and a choice of Jews to either embrace Christianity or die in the wrath of God


    • 2 days ago

    I have got my latest Prayergram post. It is, quite aptly, on the topic of the day: the “Jerusalem Prayer”. One passage reads “God bless Donald J Trump! He understands the real principles behind success. It is not being good at what you do or understanding theory and practice. It is being on the right side of the blessing of God. Whoever blesses Israel shall be blessed: whoever curses Israel shall be cursed.”

    There are no fewer than 50 million evangelicals in America who, according to research, are convinced of the literal truth of Biblical prophecy. A recent survey found that 82 per cent of white evangelicals believe that God gave Israel to the Jewish people; a conviction shared by just 40 per cent of American Jews. Among these evangelicals there are those who believe in the prophecy of the “End of Days” foretelling Jewish control of all Jerusalem, a war of civilisations, and a choice of Jews to either embrace Christianity or die in the wrath of God.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8099321.html


    Video: Christians United For Israel (CUFI) Pastor John Hagee Praying for more War in the name of Jesus



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI

    A Snapshot of Oppression of Children by US Tax Payers Funded Militarized Police State that (unholy war mongers alliance) Glenn Beck, Ted Cruz and John Hagee of CUFI Support


    Left: Open air prison, Right: Children being used as human shields



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    Title of this thread got changed? It sounds bit confusing.



    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.827048


    U.S. Issues Travel Warning for Jerusalem's Old City, West Bank Amid Embassy Row

    Palestinians have declared days of rage after President Trump announced embassy move; Consulate cautions residents to steer clear of trouble spots

    Haaretz
    Dec 05, 2017 9:30 PM




    USCGJerusalem @USCGJerusalem
    Security Message for US Citizens
    2:03 PM - Dec 5, 2017


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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Title of this thread got changed? It sounds bit confusing.

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.827048
    well... there's (at least) 2 issues:
    1. Moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv (to Jerusalem)
    2. 'Recognizing' Jerusalem as 'Capital' of Israel (both halves... East & 'Old City' West)

    #2 rules out the 'Two State Solution'...
    the thread title is: Abbas (Palestinian State) reaction to this...
    aka 'No Palestinian State is possible w/o E. Jerusalem as their Capital'

    In essence: Trump's declaration is: defacto declaring Israel as a Single State permanently.
    (They will NOT grant 'citizenship/representation' to the Palestinians...
    nor do the Palestinians want it.
    It cements their apartheid-like status as: 'Stateless-non citizens.')



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    parallel universe-
    #breaking
    Hamas urged residents in the Gaza Strip to come and engage with Israeli forces on the border as a part of 3 days of rage that were announced


    Palestinians: Three days of rage over Trump's decision on Jerusalem
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Co...rusalem-517081
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-05-2017 at 05:39 PM.

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    For those of us with ad block browsers, has Trump actually moved the consulate, or is he just saying retarded things and not doing them atm?
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
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    Who became
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    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    For those of us with ad block browsers, has Trump actually moved the consulate, or is he just saying retarded things and not doing them atm?
    I don't think anything happened, he was probably using it as a bargaining chip with someone.
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    That's great bargaining though, inciting a revolt among one party to further weaken their one-legged chair at the bargaining table. Not a mediator's move, just further confirmation Israel's our colony and they won't let us go.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    That's great bargaining though, inciting a revolt among one party to further weaken their one-legged chair at the bargaining table. Not a mediator's move, just further confirmation Israel's our colony and they won't let us go.
    There are other interested parties he may have been extorting.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

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    Conflict News-
    MORE: Palestinian President Abbas urges the Pope, Russian, French and Jordanian leaders to intervene on Trump's plan to move U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem

    PUTIN IN CONVERSATION WITH ABBAS SETS OUT RUSSIA'S POSITION IN FAVOR OF RESUMING DIRECT ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN TALKS ON ALL CONTENTIOUS ISSUES, INCLUDING STATUS OF JERUSALEM - KREMLIN

    Israeli IDF is on "High alert" due to Trump expected announcement on #Jerusalem

    Germany warns US against recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital
    http://www.dw.com/en/germany-warns-u...witter-sharing


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    Bloomberg-

    Trump will sign waiver delaying move of U.S. embassy to Jerusalem while declaring the city Israel's capital, source says
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic..._medium=social


    (this does not help )

    In essence...
    neocon fundamentalists are holding his feet to the fire over 'campaign promises'
    while at the same time blowing smoke up his ass that he is 'God's man'.
    He's not discerning enough to know the entire fiction he's being pressed into
    is NOT prophetic but 'man-made' start to finish.
    This will end poorly.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-05-2017 at 06:12 PM.

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    President Donald Trump faced down warnings of widespread Middle East unrest and untold damage to the peace process Tuesday, telling anxious Arab leaders he still intends to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.Amid a frantic round of telephone diplomacy, Trump told Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah that the deeply controversial move was coming, but crucially did not give a timeframe.

    US officials said he will hold off on moving the embassy right away, but may issue a statement reiterating his intent and even go as far as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    [Israeli] Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman hailed the moment as a "historic opportunity" for Trump, expressing hope he would see the US embassy in Jerusalem "next week or next month".

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/middle-ea...213127360.html
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    President Donald Trump will formally declare Jerusalem to be Israel’s capital and direct the State Department to start the process of moving the U.S. embassy there from Tel Aviv, a historic shift of U.S. policy that could inflame key allies.
    But in a sign the announcement could be more symbolic than substantive, the White House warned that any actual move would take years and that the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem are still subject to peace talks that have bedeviled U.S. presidents for decades.
    Trump’s announcement about the embassy move, which is planned for Wednesday at 1 p.m. in Washington, was detailed to reporters Tuesday evening by three administration officials.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...y-to-jerusalem
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    President Donald Trump on Wednesday recognized the disputed city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital -- a historic decision that overturns decades of US policy and risks triggering a fresh spasm of violence in the Middle East."I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," Trump said from the White House.

    "It's the right thing to do."
    The declaration calls into question seven decades of deliberate diplomatic ambiguity about the final status of a holy city vociferously claimed by both Israelis and Palestinians.
    Trump also kicked off the process of moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, making good on a campaign promise dear to evangelical Christian and right wing Jewish voters -- as well as donors.
    He said his decision marked the start of a "new approach" to solving the thorny conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rec...020407741.html
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    During his 2012 campaign for president, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul stressed the issue of national sovereignty when he was asked about the "Jerusalem Question." He replied, “The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want. If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...e-to-jerusalem
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    No one is talking about Flynn, 'obstruction of justice' now. At least not today.

    Trump Embassy call is topic #1.
    Al Franken is #2.




    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Hopefully things will remain peaceful in mideast and calmer heads would prevail.

    In tragic coincidence, there are news of massive literal fires in Cali on the day of this speech.

    NASA Photos: California Fires Seen From Space as Giant Plumes of Smoke
    http://www.newsweek.com/nasa-photos-california-fires-seen-space-giant-plumes-smoke-739769



    In other news:

    December 6, 2017 / 4:23 AM / a day ago

    Turkey says declaring Jerusalem Israel's capital will start 'fire with no end in sight'

    Reuters Staff
    ANKARA (Reuters) - The Turkish government’s spokesman on Wednesday said that the United States’ decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will plunge the region and the world into “a fire with no end in sight”.
    “Declaring Jerusalem a capital is disregarding history and the truths in the region, it is a big injustice/cruelty, shortsightedness, foolishness/madness, it is plunging the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight,” Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Twitter.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1E00YW






    Palestinian Christians Burn Trump Posters In Bethlehem In Fury Over Embassy


    Joshua Gill
    12/06/2017

    Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem burned posters of President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening in furious protest against Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
    The Christians burned posters featuring Donald Trump’s face and the text “Jerusalem, Palestine’s heart, is not up to negotiations,” joining hundreds of other Palestinians who gathered in Gaza and Ramallah to burn similar posters and U.S. flags, according to the Daily Mail. The Palestinians protested Trump’s imminent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and the move of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, which Trump is expected to officially announce in a Wednesday address at 1 p.m.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/pa...-over-embassy/




    'Two-state Solution Is Over,' Top Palestinian Diplomat Says After Trump's Jerusalem Speech

    In exclusive comments to Haaretz, Saeb Erekat, chief Palestinian peace negotiator, said that Trump's decision forces Palestinians to strive for 'historic Palestine, from the river to the sea'
    Noa Landau and Jack Khoury Dec 06, 2017 11:54 PM

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...emium-1.827369 ( full story is behind paywall)




    ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pronouncement/






    Trump’s Jerusalem Decision Immediately Prompts Protests




    Scott Dworkin @funder
    BREAKING: Hundreds of protesters already rallying outside of U.S. diplomatic mission in Istanbul in response to Trump’s Jerusalem announcement
    2:07 PM - Dec 6, 2017


    Brian Ries @moneyries
    Trump's WWE appearances spotted on sign at Gaza protest against US moving its embassy to Jerusalem.
    1:32 PM - Dec 6, 2017
    http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerus...imed-it-740273

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    Czech Republic recognizes West Jerusalem as Israel's capital

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/363633-czech-republic-recognizes-west-jerusalem-as-israels-capital
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    The Palestinian leader says such a move would undermine the two-state solution and would promote violence and extremism across the region.
    So, mission accomplished?
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, mission accomplished?
    Seems more like, nothing has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Seems more like, nothing has changed.
    An apt description of the world since January 20, for the most part.

    ...but actually this is a pretty important change; the Israelis won't give this up now, and so peace is that much harder.

    Uncle Sugar still has plenty of influence there.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    An apt description of the world since January 20, for the most part.
    Longer than that, try 9-11-01

    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...but actually this is a pretty important change; the Israelis won't give this up now
    That's NOT a change.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Longer than that, try 9-11-01

    That's NOT a change.
    AIPAC has been lobbying for this "not a change" this since they came into existence.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    AIPAC has been lobbying for this "not a change" this since they came into existence.
    I meant that the Israelis refusing to give up Jerusalem is not a change.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I meant that the Israelis refusing to give up Jerusalem is not a change.
    Well, sure, but you don't see that the POTUS (officially, the most powerful man on Earth) endorsing their view encourages them?

    Come now..
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Well, sure, but you don't see that the POTUS (officially, the most powerful man on Earth) endorsing their view encourages them?

    Come now..
    You can't exceed 100%, the Israelis were already 100% committed to keeping Jerusalem, the sooner everybody recognizes that the better.

    I stand with Dr. Ron:

    During his 2012 campaign for president, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul stressed the issue of national sovereignty when he was asked about the "Jerusalem Question." He replied, “The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want. If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...e-to-jerusalem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can't exceed 100%, the Israelis were already 100% committed to keeping Jerusalem, the sooner everybody recognizes that the better.
    That's horse $#@!.

    ISIS might be 100% on murdering every Christian in the Mid-East, but anybody who endorses said action (esp. a POTIUS) is a $#@!.

    I stand with Dr. Ron:

    During his 2012 campaign for president, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul stressed the issue of national sovereignty when he was asked about the "Jerusalem Question." He replied, “The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want. If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”
    That means that Ron thought it was none of our business one way or the other, not that we should endorse the Likudniks.

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...e-to-jerusalem[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's horse $#@!.

    ISIS might be 100% on murdering every Christian in the Mid-East, but anybody who endorses said action (esp. a POTIUS) is a $#@!.
    Recognition is not the same as endorsement, Israel conquered Jerusalem like so many other countries conquered various pieces of their territory and they are 100% committed to keeping it and making it their capital, everybody else has to deal with that reality.

    You have 2 choices: remain at peace with Israel and recognize Jerusalem as their capital or declare war and attempt to take Jerusalem away from them.

    I for one think it is not our place to declare war on Israel over Jerusalem.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That means that Ron thought it was none of our business one way or the other, not that we should endorse the Likudniks.
    During his 2012 campaign for president, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul stressed the issue of national sovereignty when he was asked about the "Jerusalem Question." He replied, “The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want. If Israel wants their capital to be Jerusalem, then the United States should honor that.”

    "Honor that" means accept Jerusalem as their capital and move our embassy there until they lose Jerusalem.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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