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    Trump White House Weighing Plans for Private Spies to Counter “Deep State” Enemies

    https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/...state-enemies/

    Matthew Cole, Jeremy Scahill, December 4, 2017

    THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION is considering a set of proposals developed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a retired CIA officer — with assistance from Oliver North, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal — to provide CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the White House with a global, private spy network that would circumvent official U.S. intelligence agencies, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials and others familiar with the proposals. The sources say the plans have been pitched to the White House as a means of countering “deep state” enemies in the intelligence community seeking to undermine Trump’s presidency.

    The creation of such a program raises the possibility that the effort would be used to create an intelligence apparatus to justify the Trump administration’s political agenda.

    “Pompeo can’t trust the CIA bureaucracy, so we need to create this thing that reports just directly to him,” said a former senior U.S. intelligence official with firsthand knowledge of the proposals, in describing White House discussions. “It is a direct-action arm, totally off the books,” this person said, meaning the intelligence collected would not be shared with the rest of the CIA or the larger intelligence community. “The whole point is this is supposed to report to the president and Pompeo directly.”

    Oliver North, who appears frequently on Trump’s favorite TV network, Fox News, was enlisted to help sell the effort to the administration. He was the “ideological leader” brought in to lend credibility, said the former senior intelligence official.

    Some of the individuals involved with the proposals secretly met with major Trump donors asking them to help finance operations before any official contracts were signed.

    The proposals would utilize an army of spies with no official cover in several countries deemed “denied areas” for current American intelligence personnel, including North Korea and Iran. The White House has also considered creating a new global rendition unit meant to capture terrorist suspects around the world, as well as a propaganda campaign in the Middle East and Europe to combat Islamic extremism and Iran.

    “I can find no evidence that this ever came to the attention of anyone at the NSC or [White House] at all,” wrote Michael N. Anton, a spokesperson for the National Security Council, in an email. “The White House does not and would not support such a proposal.” But a current U.S. intelligence official appeared to contradict that assertion, stating that the various proposals were first pitched at the White House before being delivered to the CIA. The Intercept reached out to several senior officials that sources said had been briefed on the plans by Prince, including Vice President Mike Pence. His spokesperson wrote there was “no record of [Prince] ever having met with or briefed the VP.” Oliver North did not respond to a request for comment.

    According to two former senior intelligence officials, Pompeo has embraced the plan and has lobbied the White House to approve the contract. Asked for comment, a CIA spokesperson said, “You have been provided wildly inaccurate information by people peddling an agenda.”

    At the heart of the scheme being considered by the White House are Blackwater founder Erik Prince and his longtime associate, CIA veteran John R. Maguire, who currently works for the intelligence contractor Amyntor Group. Maguire also served on Trump’s transition team. Amyntor’s role was first reported by Buzzfeed News.

    Michael Barry, who was recently named the National Security Council’s Senior Director for Intelligence Programs, worked closely with Erik Prince on a CIA assassination program during the Bush administration.

    Prince and Maguire deny they are working together. Those assertions, however, are challenged by current and former U.S. officials and by Trump donors who say the two men were collaborating.

    As with many arrangements in the world of CIA contracting and clandestine operations, details of who is in charge of various proposals are murky by design and change depending on which players are speaking. An Amyntor official said Prince was not “formally linked to any contract proposal by Amyntor.” In an email, Prince rejected the suggestion that he was involved with the proposals. When asked if he has knowledge of this project, Prince replied: “I was/am not part of any of those alleged efforts.”

    The former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the efforts scoffed at Prince’s denials. “Erik’s proposal had no company names on the slides,” this person said, “but there is no doubt that Prince and Maguire were working together.”

    Prince and Maguire have a long professional relationship. Maguire recently completed a stint as a consultant with Prince’s company, Frontier Services Group, a Hong Kong-based security and logistics company partially owned by the Chinese government. FSG has no known connections to the private spy plan.

    Prince has strong ties to the Trump administration: His sister Betsy DeVos is secretary of education, he was a major donor to the Trump election campaign, and he advised the transition team on intelligence and defense appointments, as The Intercept has previously reported. Prince has also contributed to Vice President Mike Pence’s campaigns.

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    Trump being a bond villain makes so much sense because he has so much of that "hollywood psychopath" personality anyways. Can someone who understands what agenda of Trump's the deep state is trying to stop? Is this fake news or is Trump creating a Men In Black to go after his political enemies? Can he do that?

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    Trump White House Weighing Plans for Private Spies to Counter “Deep State” Enemies

    What are the implications of this? The Intelligence communnity shenanigans are creating some unintended consequences that I don't think anyone fathomed. By sidestepping the intelligence community, does this set a very alarming precedent or is it a good thing?

    https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/...state-enemies/

    The Trump administration is considering a set of proposals developed by Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a retired CIA officer — with assistance from Oliver North, a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal — to provide CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the White House with a global, private spy network that would circumvent official U.S. intelligence agencies, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials and others familiar with the proposals. The sources say the plans have been pitched to the White House as a means of countering “deep state” enemies in the intelligence community seeking to undermine Trump’s presidency.

    The creation of such a program raises the possibility that the effort would be used to create an intelligence apparatus to justify the Trump administration’s political agenda.

    “Pompeo can’t trust the CIA bureaucracy, so we need to create this thing that reports just directly to him,” said a former senior U.S. intelligence official with firsthand knowledge of the proposals, in describing White House discussions. “It is a direct-action arm, totally off the books,” this person said, meaning the intelligence collected would not be shared with the rest of the CIA or the larger intelligence community. “The whole point is this is supposed to report to the president and Pompeo directly.”

    Oliver North, who appears frequently on Trump’s favorite TV network, Fox News, was enlisted to help sell the effort to the administration. He was the “ideological leader” brought in to lend credibility, said the former senior intelligence official.

    Some of the individuals involved with the proposals secretly met with major Trump donors asking them to help finance operations before any official contracts were signed.

    The proposals would utilize an army of spies with no official cover in several countries deemed “denied areas” for current American intelligence personnel, including North Korea and Iran. The White House has also considered creating a new global rendition unit meant to capture terrorist suspects around the world, as well as a propaganda campaign in the Middle East and Europe to combat Islamic extremism and Iran.

    “I can find no evidence that this ever came to the attention of anyone at the NSC or [White House] at all,” wrote Michael N. Anton, a spokesperson for the National Security Council, in an email. “The White House does not and would not support such a proposal.” But a current U.S. intelligence official appeared to contradict that assertion, stating that the various proposals were first pitched at the White House before being delivered to the CIA. The Intercept reached out to several senior officials that sources said had been briefed on the plans by Prince, including Vice President Mike Pence. His spokesperson wrote there was “no record of [Prince] ever having met with or briefed the VP.” Oliver North did not respond to a request for comment.

    According to two former senior intelligence officials, Pompeo has embraced the plan and has lobbied the White House to approve the contract. Asked for comment, a CIA spokesperson said, “You have been provided wildly inaccurate information by people peddling an agenda
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Hiring a rich man to spend his own wealth on informants and saboteurs is far wiser. You can dispense with them at any time. Whoever thought of nationalizing the Pinkertons was a prog retard. Of course, national identity, even if Murka had one, means less now than ever before in our history, and Oliver North is untrustworthy to begin with. The whole idea sounds like Deep State spying on Deep State, which is pointless: abolish the damn agencies already.

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    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    If this rumor is true I say go for it, the more of them there are to fight among themselves the better.

    I would prefer a world in which they didn't exist but that is not going to happen so keeping them busy with infighting is a good alternative.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Oliver North's a compromised piece of $#@!. The only thing Deep State and Deep State will be fighting over is employee of the month parking.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Oliver North's a compromised piece of $#@!. The only thing Deep State and Deep State will be fighting over is employee of the month parking.
    I don't like North either but when there are too many dogs and not enough bones the dogs fight whether or not they are litter-mates, and that fighting is good for us.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    The Deep State's most useful tool?

    LOL
    (lack of liberty)

    Wake me up when the Trump White House (any White House) starts weighing in on how my rights, when promoted and protected, are more useful and cost effective than any new/old scams pulled out their collective ginormous control freak ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't like North either but when there are too many dogs and not enough bones the dogs fight whether or not they are litter-mates, and that fighting is good for us.
    Or you shoot all the motherfucking dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Or you shoot all the motherfucking dogs.
    Let me know when that becomes possible.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I can't think of anything more beneficial to liberty than the President having secret kill squads accountable only to him and available to black-bag his personal enemies upon his whim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I can't think of anything more beneficial to liberty than the President having secret kill squads accountable only to him and available to black-bag his personal enemies upon his whim.
    So that is why you wanted Hitlery for president?

    It all makes sense now.


    On a more serious note:

    If you think that there aren't already people with the power you describe in D.C. you are nuts.

    As I said above I would rather be rid of all of them but until that becomes possible it would be better to have them divided and fighting one another.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Cheka (Russian: ЧК, IPA: [tɕɪˈka]) was the initialism for the first of a succession of Soviet secret police organizations. Established on December 5 (Old Style), 1917 by the Sovnarkom[1], it came under the leadership of Felix Dzerzhinsky, a Polish aristocrat-turned-communist. By late 1918, hundreds of Cheka committees had sprung up in various cities at the oblast, guberniya, raion, uyezd, and volost levels.

    In 1921 the Troops for the Internal Defense of the Republic (a branch of the Cheka) numbered at least 200,000.[3] These troops policed labor camps; ran the Gulag system; conducted requisitions of food; subjected political opponents to secret arrest, detention, torture and summary execution; and put down rebellions and riots by workers or peasants, and mutinies in the desertion-plagued Red Army.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka


    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 12-05-2017 at 11:32 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    We've had those for years, the duties are divided among different agencies but it makes no real difference.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We've had those for years, the duties are divided among different agencies but it makes no real difference.
    Well, at least they were out of sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We've had those for years, the duties are divided among different agencies but it makes no real difference.
    In principle, but you'd be surprised at what actually happens in practice with such organizations in times of chaos.

    It's looking to me like both you and I will be "former people" in the not too distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    In principle, but you'd be surprised at what actually happens in practice with such organizations in times of chaos.

    It's looking to me like both you and I will be "former people" in the not too distant future.
    I find your lack of faith disturbing. The state of the union is strong and nothing like this will happen here.

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    ^^^First to sell his sister for bread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Ron Paul know some weird people too.



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    I have my own informants .

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ^^^First to sell his sister for bread
    You might be projecting.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have my own informants .
    How many are assigned to watch Danke?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So that is why you wanted Hitlery for president?
    Executive-controlled secret police would be More Hitler Than Hitlery, which was an alternate title briefly considered by Rob Zombie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If you think that there aren't already people with the power you describe in D.C. you are nuts.
    Not with sole unaccountable authority. The closest thing to that is the CIA, but even they are accountable to Congress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    As I said above I would rather be rid of all of them but until that becomes possible it would be better to have them divided and fighting one another.
    The constant refrains of "government should smaller but that's impossible so instead let's make it bigger" are entirely unconvincing. This is the argument of a statist who pretends to be for the limitation of government power when their opponents are in power.

    Action to create an entirely new spy agency is not more difficult than action to eliminate an agency... It's just that statists want more power rather than less, and they just can't bear the thought of abdicating power.

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    If I were Trump, I would have done this from day 1.
    Last edited by camp_steveo; 12-06-2017 at 12:14 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camp_steveo View Post
    If I was Trump, I would have done this from day 1.
    *were

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Executive-controlled secret police would be More Hitler Than Hitlery, which was an alternate title briefly considered by Rob Zombie.
    So you have never heard of Arkancide?



    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Not with sole unaccountable authority. The closest thing to that is the CIA, but even they are accountable to Congress.
    LOL, the official CIA has demonstrated that they are accountable to nobody, the "black budget" operations aren't even acknowledged to exist.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The constant refrains of "government should smaller but that's impossible so instead let's make it bigger" are entirely unconvincing. This is the argument of a statist who pretends to be for the limitation of government power when their opponents are in power.

    Action to create an entirely new spy agency is not more difficult than action to eliminate an agency... It's just that statists want more power rather than less, and they just can't bear the thought of abdicating power.
    When I am President I will follow my principles, as long as Trump is President all I can do is comment on whether his actions improve our situation and by how much.
    Trump being President is one reason more aggressive reform in simply not possible for now.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    *were
    Day 1 of the Trump Presidency is in the past so "was" is acceptable assuming that the described state of being him was temporary.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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