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  1. #31
    I’ve done a “simple” investigation into who own 3 of the “Big Four”: BlackRock, State Street and FMR (Fidelity).
    Vanguard isn’t a publicly traded company. The official story is that investors in Vanguard are the ultimate owners, who supposedly decide how Vanguard handles business. Because Vanguard is a private company, it’s not forced to disclose information…

    Major Shareholders in BlackRock include – BlackRock (4.51%), Vanguard, State Street (3.42%), FMR, Fidelity (2.32%); and PNC Financial Services Group, Capital (4.34%), Wellington Management Company LLP (3.75%), Bank of America Corporation (2.69%).
    The Vanguard funds own at least 10.8%.
    PNC Financial Services Group Inc. owns a whopping 21.42% BlackRock: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/blk/holders?ltr=1
    (archived here: http://archive.is/Yfoye)


    PNC Financial Services evolved from the Pittsburgh Trust and Savings Company that was founded in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1845.
    PNC Financial Services Group, Inc. is a Pittsburgh-based financial services corporation, with assets, at the end of 2016, of approximately $366 billion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNC_Financial_Services


    Major Shareholders in PNC Financial Services Group, Inc. include Vanguard (at least 15.3%), BlackRock (6.0%), State Street (5.0%), FMR, Fidelity (3.1%), and Capital (4.8%, including Washington Mutual Investors Fund), JP Morgan Chase & Company (2.4%), T. Rowe Price Associates Inc. (2.7%), Massachusetts Financial Services Co. (2.2%), Wellington Management Company LLP (7.3%): https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/PNC/holders?p=PNC
    (archived here: http://archive.is/zNcXc)


    Wellington Management Company LLP owns 3.75% of the shares in the biggest investment fund in the world, BlackRock, and it also owns 7.3% of the shares in the PNC Financial Services Group Inc. that owns an additional 21.4% of BlackRock.

    In 1928, Walter L. Morgan from Philadelphia established the first balanced mutual fund in the US - the Wellington Fund. The Wellington Fund is one of the oldest surviving American mutual funds and has more than $1 trillion assets under management.
    In 1979, after it had gone public, 29 partners bought back the firm.
    John C. Bogle, who succeeded Morgan as chairman in 1970, later founded Vanguard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellin...gement_Company


    Major Shareholders in State Street Corporation include – Vanguard (at least 11.5%), BlackRock (5.9%), State Street (5.1%), FMR (4.4%), T. Rowe Price Associates Inc. (7.4%), Massachusetts Financial Services (7.4%): https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/STT/holders?p=STT
    (archived here: http://archive.is/E8ZOi)


    Massachusetts Financial Services (MFS Investment Management) was founded in 1924, is one of the oldest asset management companies in the world and has been credited with pioneering the mutual fund.
    As of 30 April 2017, MFS had $448.7 billion in assets under management: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MFS_Investment_Management


    Fidelity (FMR) was founded in 1946 by Edward Johnson, and is run ever since by the Johnson family.
    Edward eventually turned the reins over to his son, Edward “Ned” Johnson III, who was Fidelity’s chairman until his late 80s. Today Abigail Johnson, Ned’s daughter, is the CEO of Fidelity investments.
    Fidelity Investments is owned by FMR LLC, which is controlled by the Johnsons.

    According to Bloomberg, in 2012, the Johnson family is worth $22 billion. Ned Johnson is worth $6.9 billion.
    His daughter, Fidelity president Abigail P. Johnson, has a net worth of $10.1 billion. Abigail’s 2 siblings, Edward C. Johnson IV and Elizabeth L. Johnson, each own $2.5 billion.

    According to SEC filings, the Johnsons own 49% of Fidelity. The remaining 51% is split among 108 Fidelity executives.
    In August 2005, Abigail Johnson owned 24.5% of Fidelity and her father 12%. The remaining 12.5% of FMR was split between Abigail’s younger sister and brother (Elizabeth and Edward IV).
    Since that filing, Fidelity discloses only the total family ownership.
    The Johnsons also own about 80% of Boston-based Northern Neck Investors LLC, which has $2.2 billion in assets: http://www.investmentnews.com/articl...ty-fund-empire


    The last part of this post about Fidelity really illustrates what happens when a small group of investment funds completely dominate the economy...

    Fidelity’s mutual funds manage $1.2 trillion in assets.
    The Johnson family and higher Fidelity management also own Impresa Management, which runs partnerships and investments on F-Prime’s behalf. The Johnsons, with a small group of FMR executives, also invest in F-Prime Capital, the private venture capital arm of Fidelity.
    Impresa oversees about $2.6 billion in assets, and “bets” on bioscience and tech start-ups.

    Here’s the trick…
    F-Prime regularly invests in companies before they’re brought to the stock markets (pre-IPO). Reuters analysed 10 pre-IPO investments by F-Prime since the beginning of 2013.
    In 6 of those cases, Fidelity’s mass mutual funds became (one of) the largest shareholders after the IPO, buying shares at much higher prices than F-Prime.
    This resulted in lower returns for Fidelity fund shareholders, and higher gains for F-Prime.

    These investments by Fidelity mutual funds have effectively propped up the values of F-Prime’s pre-IPO investments.
    F-Prime Capital bought Ultragenyx pre-IPO shares for $3.55.
    After the January 2014 IPO, Fidelity’s public funds purchased about 1.1 million Ultragenyx shares for an average stock price of $41.17 a share.
    Fidelity’s public funds didn’t gain 996% in this scheme (which was won by F-Prime). What does insider trading mean ...

    See some of the most successful investments by F-Prime (Alibaba was even more “successful” with 6101% less gain for Fidelity’s public funds).


    Fidelity’s elite, including top portfolio managers, get lucrative shares in F-Prime Capital Partners.
    Key compliance executives have held dual roles controlling investments by both Fidelity and F-Prime Capital. For 3 years, until September 2016, the chief compliance officer for Fidelity mutual funds, Linda Wondrack, was also the chief compliance officer for Impresa Management LLC, the firm that manages the investments of F-Prime Capital.
    Wondrack was only replaced in one of her 2 functions, after Reuters asked if this could be a “conflict of interest”.
    Fidelity’s James Curvey chairs a board of trustees that oversees many Fidelity stock mutual funds, and also serves as a trustee for one of the owners of Impresa: https://www.reuters.com/investigates...delity-family/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/j3oIB)
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  3. #32

    Bronfman-Rothschild

    For some time I’ve been investigating the Bronfman family: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...fficking/page2

    Vanguard has no shareholders itself and is supposedly controlled by its investors (which reportedly include lots of pension funds)...

    I haven’t found any list of the largest investors in Vanguard, but I did find some interesting information on the Bronfman-Rothschild corporation, in which the Bronfman family and Lynn Forester de Rothschild are directors.
    Bronfman-Rothschild has invested $191.3 million in Vanguard funds (on 30 June): https://www.holdingschannel.com/13f/...-top-holdings/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/eQIxr)
    Last edited by Firestarter; 08-26-2018 at 11:15 AM. Reason: Vanguard, Bronfman-Rothschild
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Bronfman-Rothschild has invested $191.3 million in Vanguard funds (on 30 June): https://www.holdingschannel.com/13f/...-top-holdings/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/eQIxr)
    You realize everyone owns Vanguard funds right? If you want to just participate in equities you buy Vanguard, Schwab and/or an ETF. And it just so happens that is what this Rothchild has done. They hold all three. There are only so many low cost options to choose from and Vanguard is kind of know for low cost indexing. They invented it.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    You realize everyone owns Vanguard funds right?
    I don't; although I can't rule out that (some of) my pension is invested in Vanguard (directly or indirectly)...

    $191 million sounds like a lot of money to a little guy like me, but Vanguard has invested literally trillions.
    Bronfman-Rothschild is just one of many funds of the Rothschild crime syndicate.

    Do you know where I can find more information on the "biggest" investors in Vanguard?
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  7. #35

    Social media

    Today I’ve searched for information on the major shareholders of the biggest social media networks.


    Major Shareholders in Facebook, Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 12.6%), Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), State Street; and Price (T.Rowe) Associates, Capital: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FB/h.../?guccounter=1
    (archived here: http://archive.is/YDC27)


    There is something peculiar about the corporate structure of Facebook. The Class B shares have 10 times as much voting rights as the “normal” Class A shares.
    By this construction Mark Zuckerberg (who owns 60% of the Class B shares) has most voting rights.

    By similar protective structures:
    News Corp is controlled by Rupert Murdoch and his family (with Class A shares without voting rights);
    Google, where B shares have 60% of the total voting power, is controlled by insiders Larry Page, Sergey Brin and Eric Schmidt: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/shar...anagement.html


    Major Shareholders in Weibo Corporation include – Blackrock; and Alibaba Group Holding, Harding Loevner, Wellington, Wells Fargo: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/WB/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/uwVwD)
    Strangely of the “big four” investment funds only BlackRock is a major shareholder, but nowhere near the stake owned by Alibaba Group Holding and Harding Loevner…


    Major Shareholders in Twitter, Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 12.8%), Blackrock, State Street; and ClearBridge Investments, Morgan Stanley, Coatue Management: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWTR/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/DUSCS)


    American holding company IAC (InterActiveCorp) owns Ask.fm (since August 2014) that also owns Ask.com.
    Barry Diller is chairman of IAC, with Edgar Bronfman Jr., Michael Eisner and Chelsea Clinton on the board of directors.

    Major Shareholders in IAC/InterActiveCorp include – Vanguard (more than 15.1%), Blackrock; and Price (T.Rowe) Associates, Canada Pension plan, TIAA-CREF Investment Management, Boston Partners, Steadfast Capital Management, Goldman Sachs: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/iac/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/kxwhG)


    Since 2012, the controlling shareholder in Reddit is Condé Nast's parent company, Advance Publications that is owned by the descendants of the Newhouse family.
    Josh Kushner is named “angel investor” in Reddit: https://redditblog.com/2013/08/06/re...ent-reddit-inc


    To finish this post...
    Youtube is owned by Google (Alphabet).

    Instagram is owned by Facebook.

    Tumblr and Flickr are part of Yahoo (owned by Verizon).

    LinkedIn is part of Microsoft.
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  8. #36
    The Tumblr/Flickr/Yahoo conglomerate is all under one umbrella of OATH, which controls a huge number of companies under the Verizon umbrella.

    Gee, I wonder what the "Oath" is that it refers to? /s Couldn't be Masonic and Jesuit oaths, could it?
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The Tumblr/Flickr/Yahoo conglomerate is all under one umbrella of OATH, which controls a huge number of companies under the Verizon umbrella.

    Gee, I wonder what the "Oath" is that it refers to? /s Couldn't be Masonic and Jesuit oaths, could it?
    So in a subliminal way, when I click OK to allow Yahoo to violate my privacy, I pledge an oath to THE Yahoo?
    If you want to know what the word “yahoo” means I suggest you read Jonathan Swift’s masterpiece “Gulliver’s travels” (1726): https://www.gutenberg.org/files/829/829-h/829-h.htm


    The biggest holding company of Israel, Israel corp. and its main shareholder Idan Ofer, could also be interesting, but maybe not in the context of this thread – Vanguard owns only 1.08% and BlackRock even less.

    Millenium Investments Elad Ltd., owns 46.94% of Israel corp.’s shares;
    Millenium is owned by Mashat (Investments) Ltd., that owns 80% of Millenium;
    Mashat is owned by Ansonia Holdings B.V. (registered in the Netherlands);
    Ansonia is owned by Jelany Corporation N.V. (registered in Curaçao);
    Jelany is owned by Court Investments Ltd. (registered in Liberia);
    Court is wholly owned by a discretionary trust, of which Idan Ofer is the beneficiary: http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/efxapi/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHtmlSection1?SectionID=103 26879-1389882-1390402&SessionID=fnKNee3UiBAakk7
    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/941221/000095010315009000/dp61331_6k.htm
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  10. #38

    Mining companies

    Today I’ve tried to find information on the major shareholders in 10 of the biggest mining companies in the world. As most of these aren’t located in the US it’s almost impossible to find out. Especially with some of them listed on several stock exchanges.
    Most of these have very different major shareholders than the large companies in the US.


    Major Shareholders in the Australian BHP Group include – Fisher Asset Management; Bank of America Corporation; Goldman Sachs Group; Arrowstreet Capital, Limited Partnership; Morgan Stanley: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BHP/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/RFBbQ)
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BHPLF/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/RN4Zt)


    The reported biggest shareholder in the Swiss Glencore Xstrata (of Marc Rich fame) is the state-owned Qatar Investment Authority with 8.2%.


    The British-Australian Rio Tinto Group, is listed on 3 stock exchanges: London, the Australian Securities Exchange and New York. Its reported biggest shareholder is the Aluminum Corporation of China Limited (Chinalco), with 9.8% in 2014, making it Rio Tinto's biggest investor.
    Major Shareholders in Rio Tinto include - Franklin Resources, Inc (11.5% in New York); State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co (11.4% in New York); Fisher Asset Management, LLC; Arrowstreet Capital, Limited Partnership: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/RIO/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/DKJ2h)


    The Brazilian Vale S.A., is listed on 4 stock exchanges: Sao Paulo, New York, Paris and Madrid.
    Major Shareholders in Vale include - Capital Investors (at least 26.8% in New York); Europacific Growth Fund; Blackrock Inc.; Standard Life Aberdeen PLC;
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/VALE/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/BDExN)


    The British Anglo-American, is listed on 2 stock exchanges: London and Johannesburg.
    Since September 2017, the British Indian Anil Agarwal is listed as its largest shareholder with 20%.
    Major Shareholders in Anglo-American include - Volcan Investments Ltd. (19.3% in London); Volcan Investments Ltd. (12.9% in London); Silchester International Investors LLP; Genesis Investment Management LLP: https://www.marketscreener.com/ANGLO...07113/company/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/n3hVG


    China Shenhua Energy is owned by the Chinese Government.


    Major Shareholders in the American Freeport McMoRan Inc. include – Vanguard Group (at least 17.4%); Blackrock; State Street; Capital.
    Trump´s good friend Carl Icahn is often cited as its “biggest shareholder”, he owns a respectable 3.46%: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FCX/holders/
    (archived here: http://archive.is/oCYBi)


    The Canadian Barrick Gold, is listed on the London stock exchange.
    Major Shareholders in Barrick Gold include - VanEck Vectors Gold Miners ETF (10.5%); FvS SICAV Multiple Opportunities: https://quote.morningstar.ca/Quickta...&culture=en-CA
    (archived here: http://archive.is/rAImE)


    Coal India Limited is owned by the Indian Government.


    Major Shareholders in the Australian Fortescue Metals Group include - Minderoo Group Pty Ltd (29.5%); HSBC Custody Nominees Australia Limited (at least 16%); Valin Investments Singapore Pte Ltd (at least 11.9%); J P Morgan Nominees Australia Limited; Citicorp Nominees Pty Limited: https://www.fmgl.com.au/investors/top-20-shareholders
    (archived here: http://archive.is/K6yvt)
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  11. #39

    Health insurers

    Here’s a post on the major shareholders in the 8 biggest health care insurers in the US.
    Capital and Vanguard are the largest shareholders in these companies. BlackRock is relatively low in the largest 6 (with an around 5% stake)...


    Major Shareholders in UnitedHealth Group Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 10.5%), Capital (at least 9.7%), Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street): https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/6tLwm)


    Major Shareholders in Anthem Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 16.3%), Capital, Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street); and T. Rowe Price Associates, Wellington Management Co.: https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/Rx0Pc)


    The third health insurer Aetna is a subsidiary of CVS Health Corp.
    Major Shareholders in CVS Health Corp. include – Vanguard (more than 15.3%), Capital, Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street); and Wellington Management Co.: https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/z5JeF)


    Major Shareholders in Cigna Corp. include – Vanguard (more than 12.4%), Capital, Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street); and T. Rowe Price Associates, Dodge & Cox (at least 7.5%): https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/n9tLX)


    Major Shareholders in Human Inc include – Vanguard (more than 12.5%), Capital (at least 16.5%), Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR); and Wellington Management Co., Washington Mutual Investors Fund: https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/Q3g01)


    Major Shareholders in Centene Corp. include – Vanguard (more than 17.7%), Capital (at least 9.8%), Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street); and Wellington Management Co., Washington Mutual Investors Fund, T. Rowe Price Associates, American Funds Investment: https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/faX4B)


    Major Shareholders in Molina Healthcare Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 17.3%), Capital (at least 13.2%), Blackrock, Fidelity (FMR), SSgA Funds (State Street); Wellington Management Co., T. Rowe Price Associates, American Funds (at least 8.1%), Renaissance Technologies LLC (6.8% of Robert Mercer): https://money.cnn.com/quote/sharehol...=institutional
    (http://archive.is/Bv4a9)


    Major Shareholders in WellCare Health Plans, Inc. include – Vanguard (more than 21.2%), Capital, Blackrock, State Street; and Wellington Management Co., T. Rowe Price Associates (at least 12.4%): https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/WCG/holders/
    (http://archive.is/HKgMd)


    SSgA Funds (State Street Global Advisors) is the investment management division of State Street Corporation (one of the “big four” American investment funds).


    John C. Bogle founded Vanguard in 1974 directly after he was fired as CEO of Wellington Management.
    Wellington is Vanguard’s biggest external fund manager. In 2010, Wellington managed 19 funds and 4 subaccounts for Vanguard.
    In 2019, Wellington was hired by Vanguard as subadviser.

    BlackRock also manages funds under the name iShares...
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  12. #40
    Most of those "ownership" percentages you quote are because of the various ETFs issued by those firms. Though it is important to note that the DTC is the actual owner of -all- market shares, as the DTC is the designated trustee holding company of the Fed.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-03-2020 at 11:36 AM. Reason: DTC not DTCC...distinction clarified in my next post below
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Most of those "ownership" percentages you quote are because of the various ETFs issued by those firms. Though it is important to note that the DTCC is the actual owner of -all- market shares, as the DTCC is the designated trustee holding company of the Fed.
    You've previously posted on the DTC and its subsidiary Cede & Co being the legal owner of all of the stocks in the US.
    This is interesting, but I haven't found anything to go with that, and really do NOT understand, how this "legal structure" is used.

    I can imagine that there are schemes to be used in the case of a major disaster, but in a "normal" situation it are still the biggest investment funds with the money, major influence and with control over corrupt politicians. Politicians even invest their savings in these investment funds; this isn't necessarily strange, but if you're looking for influence over the legislative force, this looks like a major factor...
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  15. #42
    Blackrock manages the TSP US Government Employee Pension plans.


    https://www.tspstrategies.com/tag/blackrock/
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    You've previously posted on the DTC and its subsidiary Cede & Co being the legal owner of all of the stocks in the US.
    This is interesting, but I haven't found anything to go with that, and really do NOT understand, how this "legal structure" is used.
    Well, think of it this way. The subjects/slaves can not own anything but rather can only hold equitable usage title to property, and only for the benefit of the sovereign/royalty/slave owners. They have accomplished this by placing all market securities ownership under a single trustee, the DTC. A trustee of a trust is legally considered the owner of property (securities) contained within the trust. That way the slaves can "use" the securities (since taxes are due on profits, called capital gains tax, the "benefit") but can not claim outright ownership of the securities. Securities can be forfeited, seized, liquidated, etc for violation of any of the rules set forth by the trust. Free people owning property can not be seized in a legal system over mere arbitrary rules. EVERYTHING property-related today is administered under the trust structure. Probably in your country also if the Netherlands has a western Rothschild central bank. Hell, it's even printed on the FRN. "In God We Trust". Why? Because it is the Vatican's Cestui Que trust system, declared in ~1666AD, along with the implementation of that trust system in the wake of the 1666 London Fire. Heh 1666...important year....side note, that's why an American bank is oddly named "5/3 Bank". In decimal form, 5/3 is 1.666. SunTRUST bank is another example. EVERYTHING is held under trust, at least in the US legal system. People, cars, land/houses, securities, currency...everything. Subjects/slaves can not own property. They can only use it for the benefit of the slave owner, no different than how a slave does not own the plow (securities) used to tend the fields. The slave owner owns the plow (securities). The slave can use the plow (securities) as long as the owner benefits from that use. The trust system was created by the Knights Templar in the 1200s during the Crusades to ensure they maintained control over their property while they went off to Crusade. Pope Something-or-other, around 1300AD issued a papal bull declaring that ALL PROPERTY, indeed the ENTIRE PLANET AND EVERYTHING ON IT, belonged to him/papacy. The trust system is how that papal bull is being implemented on a global scale. Trusts within trusts within trusts. The pyramid with all seeing eye is a symbolic representation of this trust system and is also on the FRN. The DTC and it's designee subsidiary Cede&Co is the trustee (owner) for the securities markets and all securities that are listed and traded on it. The DTCC is the clearinghouse for all transactions that occur under the trust. Learn how trusts operate then a lot of other things will make much more sense.

    I have extensively studied this particular topic so feel free to ask any questions you may have. You're not going to find much public info that puts it all together since it is part of occult history of how this system came about and still operates today. Some of it is taught in mystery school degrees, such as the Knights Templar degrees of Freemasonry, however.

    eta: Relevant to the thread topic itself, ETFs, index funds, etc were created to add one further degree of separation between any claim of ownership by a shareholder subject/slave (shareholder, not shareowner! The words tell the story) and the trustee. ETFs provide an additional firewall that prevents disclosure of the true nature of financial system as nothing more than a giant trust structure where shareholders have no ownership claim over a stock share, only beneficial use as a holder. Think about how this fits in with our recent posts on your Dragon Court thread. Then, get back onto that plow slave! The fields ain't going to tend themselves!
    Last edited by devil21; 02-03-2020 at 06:00 PM. Reason: wasnt constantine
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The trust system was created by the Knights Templar in the 1200s during the Crusades to ensure they maintained control over their property while they went off to Crusade. Pope Constantine (iirc), around 1300AD issued a papal bull declaring that ALL PROPERTY, indeed the ENTIRE PLANET AND EVERYTHING ON IT, belonged to him/papacy. The trust system is how that papal bull is being implemented on a global scale. Trusts within trusts within trusts. The pyramid with all seeing eye is a symbolic representation of this trust system. The DTC and it's designee subsidiary Cede&Co is the trustee (owner) for the securities markets and all securities that are listed and traded on it. The DTCC is the clearinghouse for all transactions that occur under the trust. Learn how trusts operate then a lot of other things will make much more sense.

    I have extensively studied this particular topic so feel free to ask any questions you may have. You're not going to find much public info that puts it all together since it is part of occult history of how this system came about and still operates today. Some of it is taught in mystery school degrees, such as the Knights Templar degrees of Freemasonry, however.

    eta: Relevant to the thread topic itself, ETFs, index funds, etc were created to add one further degree of separation between any claim of ownership by a shareholder (shareholder, not shareowner! The words tell the story) and the subjects/slaves. ETFs provide an additional firewall that prevents disclosure of the true nature of financial system as nothing more than a giant trust structure where shareholders have no ownership claim over a stock share, only beneficial use as a holder. Now get back onto that plow slave!
    I agree with you that this construction is an additional construction to defend against unwanted interference.
    Even though I started my investigations of history (including finance) by "studying" law, not by going to university, but by staring legal procedures against the Dutch government and taking control of my own law suit against the (Rothschild and Dutch Royal affiliated) ABN AMRO bank, I have a hard time following what you're saying.

    I conclude that our whole economy is rigged, but I don't really see how this fits in.
    I don't know if or when I ask questions. But I can only ask questions when I know what to ask...

    When I studied law, I first looked at who's in control.
    In the Kingdom of the Netherlands both the legislative force (parliament) and the Dutch courts are controlled by the Royal family by Constitution. Fortunately we're a democracy.
    By constitution, Canada is a British colony where the Queen-appointed Governor-General has the executive power, while the ministers have merely a function of ceremony.


    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Probably in your country also if the Netherlands has a western Rothschild central bank.

    Then after finding out that the Kingdom of the Netherlands, by Constitution, is controlled by the royal degenerates, I was sidetracked by fake "conspiracy theories" that the Rothschilds control the world. The Rothschilds have never been more than Court Jews, who never controlled a single Central Bank, but do the dirty work (act as cut-outs) for the Nobility...
    When Willem-Alexander (now King) was still called prins pils (prince beer), he was actually a director of the Dutch Central Bank DNB!
    Last edited by Firestarter; 02-03-2020 at 11:58 AM.
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  18. #45
    I made a few more edits to my above post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    I agree with you that this construction is an additional construction to defend against unwanted interference.
    Even though I started my investigations of history (including finance) by "studying" law, not by going to university, but by staring legal procedures against the Dutch government and taking control of my own law suit against the (Rothschild and Dutch Royal affiliated) ABN AMRO bank, I have a hard time following what you're saying.
    It was more to highlight important historical data points and the big picture of trusts for your own research. Isn't easily explained if you've not studied how trusts operate. An easy way to "see" the pattern is this: Are cars in the Netherlands "registered" and given license plates by a governmental authority? If so, the car is placed under a trust when it is registered and the plate is to track the trust's property and who currently is "holding" that property. This same process of removing "ownership" of property from the slave and giving it to the sovereign ("regis"tration) has been completely implemented at all levels in the US. It applies to children, cars, land/homes, currency, securities, businesses, etc. Whether it's exactly the same in NL I do not know. I suspect it is the same with minor variations, however. The likely only differences being who the designated trustees (owners) are, whether self-declared royal figures or governmental figures or whoever and who the executors of the trusts are.

    I conclude that our whole economy is rigged, but I don't really see how this fits in.
    I don't know if or when I ask questions. But I can only ask questions when I know what to ask...
    The rigging is because they legally own all of it under trusts and can do what they want with their property as trustees, as long as they can claim it's in your best interest. We've been hearing "Its for your safety" a lot lately, haven't we? That is a declaration that the use of trust property is in our best interest, even if we disagree with the decisions. Nothing requires that the beneficiaries (allegedly us) of a trust agree with the actions of the trustees. We're just along for the ride, regardless of where we happen to reside.

    When I studied law, I first looked at who's in control.
    In the Kingdom of the Netherlands both the legislative force (parliament) and the Dutch courts are controlled by the Royal family by Constitution. Fortunately we're a democracy.
    By constitution, Canada is a British colony where the Queen-appointed Governor-General has the executive power, while the ministers have merely a function of ceremony.
    Parliament/Congress/Governor-Generals etc are executors of national trusts. I can't stress enough that you should study up on how trusts work if you want to grasp what my posts mean.


    Then after finding out that the Kingdom of the Netherlands, by Constitution, is controlled by the royal degenerates, I was sidetracked by fake "conspiracy theories" that the Rothschilds control the world. The Rothschilds have never been more than Court Jews, who never controlled a single Central Bank, but do the dirty work (act as cut-outs) for the Nobility...
    When Willem-Alexander (now King) was still called prins pils (prince beer), he was actually a director of the Dutch Central Bank DNB!
    A cut-out of sorts, yes, as the front for the trust based financial/property ownership system I wrote about above. It's just an easily understood label applied to represent the usurious, taxable, slave management trust system. Don't read too much into my use of the name.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-03-2020 at 05:49 PM.
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  19. #46
    This same process of removing "ownership" of property from the slave and giving it to the sovereign ("regis"tration) has been completely implemented at all levels in the US. It applies to children, cars, land/homes, currency, securities, businesses, etc.
    If the government owns your children, shouldn't they be paying child support?

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If the government owns your children, shouldn't they be paying child support?
    I believe they do but the process to receive that "child support" is also occulted. It's the final piece of the puzzle that I'm working out as I have time from day-to-day slaving.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  21. #48
    Maybe it’s implausible that in such a fine example as a democracy as the USA, presidents would abuse their position for material gain.
    Some “conspiracy theorists” might conclude that it it looks like a conflict of interest that President Donald has awarded this contract to the same BlackRock where he and his family have invested their savings.

    In one of those great coincedences, the same BlackRock where the Trump family invests their savings, was awarded a $40 million a year contract to buy up $750 billion worth of corporate debt (to rig the economy) for the “Corporate Credit Facilities LLC” of the Federal Reserve.

    Profits could be much higher than a mere $40 million by using the advance knowledge of these trades, but not to worry, they promise “an “ethical wall” segregating the BlackRock team managing the government-bond operations from personnel throughout the rest of the firm’s trading, brokerage and sales operations” .

    We can rest assured knowing that corporate criminals don’t ever abuse their power: http://archive.is/kl4Fl
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  23. #49
    Months before the corona “pandemic” was started, the biggest investment fund in the world, BlackRock where the Trump family invests their savings, authored a plan to go “direct” in the next crisis, blurring the lines between government fiscal policy and central bank monetary policy.
    The plan was rolled out in August 2019 at the G7 summit of central bankers.

    On 17 September 2019, the U.S. Federal Reserve would begin an emergency repo loan bailout program, loaning hundreds of billions of dollars a week by “going direct” (similar to the BlackRock plan).
    Then because of the coronavirus crisis, for the first time in history, US Congress handed over $454 billion of taxpayers’ money to the Fed that will be leveraged into a $4.54 trillion bailout plan.
    Nobody will argue that the crisis was caused by government policy instead of any coronavirus...

    In the United States, some 85% of the stock market is owned by the richest 10% of Americans.
    Buying stocks will effectively make the wealthy even richer, while income inequality is already at the highest levels since the 1920s.

    The BlackRock plan also explains the fiscal stimulus of the CARES Act with “direct” $1200 checks and deposits to “poor” Americans and Paycheck Protection Program loans and grants to small businesses.

    BlackRock plays an important role in implementing the plan that under the guide of the coronavirus pandemic. BlackRock has even been hired by the US Federal Reserve, the Bank of Canada, and Sweden’s central bank to implement parts of the plan.
    The Federal Reserve hired BlackRock to “direct” buy $750 billion in corporate bonds and bond ETFs (Exchange Traded Funds). The BlackRock-run program will get $75 billion of this money to eat the losses on its corporate bond purchases, which will include its own Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) of which BlackRock is one of the largest purveyors in the world.

    Three of the 4 authors of the BlackRock plan have previously worked at the central banks in the U.S., Israel, Canada and Switzerland.
    Stanley Fischer: in 2005 went from Vice Chairman of Citigroup to become Governor of the central bank of Israel. In 2014 he became a Governor and Vice Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve. After he resigned at the Fed in October 2017, he became a Senior Advisor at BlackRock in January 2019.
    Philipp Hildebrand: was Chairman of the Governing Board of the Swiss National Bank from 2010 until 2012 (he abruptly resigned over a scandal in which his wife trades in currencies about which he had inside information). Hildebrand is now Vice Chairman of BlackRock and a member of its Global Executive Committee.
    Jean Boivin: Deputy Governor of the Bank of Canada in 2010-2012, when he became Associate Deputy Minister at the Department of Finance of Canada. He joined BlackRock in 2014.
    Elga Bartsch: has previously worked at Morgan Stanley in London: https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/...ment-the-plan/
    (http://archive.is/8Y7p3)


    See the following nuggets from the white paper...
    A practical way of “going direct” would need to deliver the following: 1) defining the unusual circumstances that would call for such unusual coordination; 2) in those circumstances, an explicit inflation objective that fiscal and monetary authorities are jointly held accountable for achieving; 3) a mechanism that enables nimble deployment of productive fiscal policy, and; 4) a clear exit strategy. Such a mechanism could take the form of a standing emergency fiscal facility. It would be a permanent set-up but would be only activated when monetary policy is tapped out and inflation is expected to systematically undershoot its target over the policy horizon.

    (...)

    Any additional measures to stimulate economic growth will have to go beyond the interest rate channel and ‘go direct’ – [with] a central bank crediting private or public sector accounts directly with money. One way or another, this will mean subsidizing spending – and such a measure would be fiscal rather than monetary by design. This can be done directly through fiscal policy or by expanding the monetary policy toolkit with an instrument that will be fiscal in nature, such as credit easing by way of buying equities. This implies that an effective stimulus would require coordination between monetary and fiscal policy –be it implicitly or explicitly.
    https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/...ugust-2019.pdf
    (http://archive.is/Numac)


    From the Netherlands, a similar policy was proposed in March for Europe; calling for the European Central Bank (ECB) to “go direct” in the next crisis.
    Chapter 7 details a policy for the Eurozone that’s very similar to what BlackRock proposed in August 2019...
    The ECB is reaching the limits of its monetary policy space, with negative interest rates and the limits of the sovereign bond buying programme in sight. This should induce fiscal policy makers to play a more active role in stimulating the economy were a new economic downturn to strike. However, it seems prudent for the ECB to also explore new options for monetary policy that could support such fiscal efforts to counter deflationary pressures. Following fiscal action, monetary policy space could be created using new instruments that have a more direct effect on the economy.
    They refer to the “policy framework” of the BlackRock paper.
    The effectiveness of such a policy framework would depend on it being implemented well in advance of the next downturn. A clear and credible stimulus strategy helps investors to understand what will happen and may thus reduce the amount of stimulus needed.
    https://sustainablefinancelab.nl/wp-...entional-2.pdf
    (http://archive.is/mMBg3)


    A scheme like this has sometimes been referred to as “helicopter money”, a term coined by Milton Friedman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money
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  24. #50
    @Firestarter

    Have you ever read the "I am a Rofschild. Axe me a question." archived thread from ATS some years ago? Search it out if you haven't before. There's some noise in it but also some real nuggets of info revealed and I have no doubt it's legitimate. One of his claims is that the sole purpose of the stock markets is to remove fiat money from the slaves, and therefore presumably the general economy, to keep price inflation in check. The adage about the "rich get richer" just means that excess fiat is expressly directed to them, via advance information (aka insider trading for the little people) so it doesn't hit the general economy instead. Keeps prices in check while keeping the slaves from getting too uppity. For such a simple statement as Rofschild made it sure does explain a lot.
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