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    If only Flynn had deleted government work emails on a private server and lied to the FBI about that, while destroying physical evidence on blackberries and IPADs by having staff destroy them with hammers, or lied to the FBI about a private email server like Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin did, - then of course FBI and Mueller wouldn't bat an eye.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    The problem with Daffy Duck, if you recall, is how, with his very limited mental means and compromised moral imagination, he is always trying to cover up his natural cowardice with vainglorious misadventures. Here he is posing as a fast-drawing gunslinger pulling his guns to threaten some big men playing poker in a saloon - unaware he has actually pulled down his own pants and exposed his colourful underwear.
    Ha

    ...thinking about how less funny our current cartoon characters are relative Daffy.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Watched MJ after a long time today. Mika and Joe may now get somewhat interesting material to keep on going for next 6 months or so, this could may even lead to outcome they would cheer in the end:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAZpBHk4sY





    December 5, 2017
    Former Trump aide nomination to be Singapore envoy stalled over Russia concerns

    Reuters Staff
    2 Min Read

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The nomination to be ambassador to Singapore of K.T. McFarland, a former security adviser to President Donald Trump, has been delayed due to concerns about her testimony to Congress over communications with Russia, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said on Tuesday.

    ďHer nomination is frozen for a while until that gets worked out,Ē Republican Senator Bob Corker told reporters at the U.S. Capitol.
    Trump earlier this year nominated McFarland, a former deputy national security adviser, to be the U.S. envoy to Singapore.

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    I wonder how this happened:

    The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week [i.e. during the party convention summer 2016] to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.67b4b87d444a

    Must be just because Trump's such a peace-loving reality TV character..

    ..Yea
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I wonder how this happened:



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.67b4b87d444a

    Must be just because Trump's such a peace-loving reality TV character..

    ..Yea
    We already know that Trump wanted better relations with Russia, your speculative insinuations about why are worthless.
    Call me when you have proof of a crime.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We already know that Trump wanted better relations with Russia, your speculative insinuations about why are worthless.

    Call me when you have proof of a crime.
    Because you intend to defend him until/unless he's convicted of a crime?
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Because you intend to defend him until/unless he's convicted of a crime?
    Against spurious attacks with no basis that are designed to force us into bad relations with Russia? Yes
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Against spurious attacks with no basis that are designed to force us into bad relations with Russia? Yes
    Another possibility is that none of this has any real relation to foreign policy.

    And he's just a stupid low-grade criminal, trying to build hotels and so forth: i.e a typical politician.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Another possibility is that none of this has any real relation to foreign policy.

    And he's just a stupid low-grade criminal, trying to build hotels and so forth: i.e a typical politician.
    That might explain his actions but it doesn't explain the ridiculous Russophobia being pushed by the other side, somebody wants to affect foreign policy.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That might explain his actions but it doesn't explain the ridiculous Russophobia being pushed by the other side, somebody wants to affect foreign policy.
    but imagine if this was true!
    Truth is a social construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    but imagine if this was true!
    If I am going on vacation to an imagination I would prefer to spend it in a utopia not a dystopia.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    but imagine if this was true!
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That might explain his actions but it doesn't explain the ridiculous Russophobia being pushed by the other side, somebody wants to affect foreign policy.
    Or somebody is using foreign policy to achieve short term, relatively trivial, political objectives.

    ...and nothing in the foreign policy realm has changed, or will, Trump or no Trump.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre ó the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Here is an interesting comment from former judge and prosecutor:

    Did the prosecution tell Flynnís lawyer that their main witness against him was removed for bias? Since Strzok led the interview and his testimony would be needed to establish untruthfulness, he is a critical witness not just a prosecutor. If not disclosed, would this not be a Giglio [Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150 ] violation? This is the kind of misconduct that can get a case dismissed and a lawyer disbarred. It is a Constitutional violation. This has bothered me since I heard about it.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Can we put this discussion on hold for time being due to embassy move speech of yesterday.
    Why? I can walk and chew gum at the same time, can't you?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Caution, MSM polls can be fakish/manipulated at times.

    Poll: Two-thirds say Flynn guilty plea in Trump-Russia probe is a ‘serious matter’

    By CRISTIANO LIMA
    12/06/2017 07:57 PM EST

    Two in three voters say Michael Flynn’s pleading guilty to lying to the FBI and his cooperation with the special counsel’s Russia investigation is “a serious matter” for the Trump administration, according to a CBS poll released Wednesday.
    The findings — the first since Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty last Friday to giving misleading statements about his contacts with a Russian official during the 2016 campaign — show Americans still deeply divided over the gravity of the inquiry into ties between the Trump team and Russia.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ia-poll-285215

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth[COLOR=#333333
    ][/COLOR]We already know that Trump wanted better relations with Russia, your speculative insinuations about why are worthless.
    Call me when you have proof of a crime.
    Because you intend to defend him until/unless he's convicted of a crime?
    All of the Trump-fans will probably think it's nothing...

    Donald Trump rang in the new year together with Joseph Cinque - a convicted felon with ties to the notorious Gambino crime family boss John Gotti: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2932315
    Do NOT ever read my posts.
    Google and Yahoo wouldnít block them without a very good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    All of the Trump-fans will probably think it's nothing...

    Donald Trump rang in the new year together with Joseph Cinque - a convicted felon with ties to the notorious Gambino crime family boss John Gotti: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2932315
    I have never said Trump was clean, I have only defended him against the spurious charges that the left has been pursuing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Or somebody is using foreign policy to achieve short term, relatively trivial, political objectives.

    ...and nothing in the foreign policy realm has changed, or will, Trump or no Trump.
    Dear Nostradamus, your predictions have not been entirely accurate in the past. Why are you wasting everybody's time with this garbage? What is missing from your life that you are trying so hard to compensate for here? Is there a problem with your nurse?
    Truth is a social construct.

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