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    Exclamation URGENT: Stop gun control vote in US House!




    From our friends at NAGR:


    A gun control bill just passed out of the Republican controlled House Judiciary Committee.

    The bill mirrors legislation sponsored by rabid gun grabber Dianne Feinstein in the Senate, and expands the already massive Brady-NICS gun registration database.


    The vote was overwhelming, only being opposed by the following Representatives:


    Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH)
    Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID)
    Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO)
    Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ)
    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX)


    Now it’s now off to the House Floor, where a vote could come at any time.


    That’s why we must fight back now, and stop this radical bill from moving any further.


    **** Please call your Representative right away, and urge them to oppose the Brady-NICS Gun Registration expansion bill, H.R. 4477. The main switchboard is (202) 224-3121 ****


    This bill is especially troubling considering the issues that Brady-NICS expansions have caused in the past.
    Last edited by Matt Collins; 11-30-2017 at 08:53 PM.
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    Vote! Call! Make a difference! Lol.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Link to bill (no text or summary yet): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...77/titles?r=11

    Listed as introduced yesterday and referred to committee.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-30-2017 at 09:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Link to bill (no text or summary yet): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...77/titles?r=11
    That is very curious... we must vote to know whats in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    That is very curious... we must vote to know whats in it?
    I think it would be very unusual for a bill to pass though committee in just one day. Doesn't seem to have passed committee as far as I can tell but maybe information isn't updated yet.

    Committee website doesn't say they passed it yet. https://www.congress.gov/committee/h...diciary/hsju00

    Latest Action: House - 11/29/2017 Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
    Co-sponsors:

    Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
    Rep. Cuellar, Henry [D-TX-28]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Esty, Elizabeth H. [D-CT-5]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Aguilar, Pete [D-CA-31]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Costello, Ryan A. [R-PA-6]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Speier, Jackie [D-CA-14]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Richmond, Cedric L. [D-LA-2]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. McCaul, Michael T. [R-TX-10]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Comstock, Barbara [R-VA-10]* 11/29/2017
    Rep. Titus, Dina [D-NV-1]*
    Calendar doesn't show the committee even meeting today. They did meet yesterday when it was introduced. Next scheduled meeting December 7th (and that is their only one for the month listed). http://docs.house.gov/Committee/Cale...aspx?Code=JU00

    I don't think anything has happened besides introducing it.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-30-2017 at 09:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I think it would be very unusual for a bill to pass though committee in just one day. Doesn't seem to have passed committee as far as I can tell but maybe information isn't updated yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A better bill. I see that was introduced on January 3rd and moved out of committee (to another subcommittee) on January 12th. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...ew=closed#tabs
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    So they are adding a Registration Rider to Reciprocity?

    Sounds like the NRA

    They love registration and restriction.

    If they want to fix NICS buy decent computers and update information.
    It is almost instantaneous.
    How about Updating Restoration of Rights?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    So they are adding a Registration Rider to Reciprocity?

    Sounds like the NRA

    They love registration and restriction.

    If they want to fix NICS buy decent computers and update information.
    It is almost instantaneous.
    How about Updating Restoration of Rights?
    I don't think it is the same bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't think it is the same bill.
    ???
    watch and see.

    It is amazing the $hit that can attach itself.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    ???
    watch and see.

    It is amazing the $hit that can attach itself.
    True, I just don't think they have done it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    True, I just don't think they have done it yet.
    I'll bet they are trying.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Gun Owners of America on the two bills:

    https://gunowners.org/statement-goa-...s-h-r-4477.htm

    STATEMENT: GOA Applauds Passage of H.R. 38, Condemns H.R. 4477

    Springfield, VA – Executive Director of Gun Owners of America (GOA) Erich Pratt made the following statement after the House Judiciary Committee’s actions on concealed carry reciprocity and background check legislation:

    “Over 1.5 million law-abiding Americans who make up Gun Owners of America commend the House Judiciary Committee for reporting H.R. 38, the concealed carry reciprocity bill.

    “GOA applauds the committee passage of H.R. 38 and encourages the House leadership to take up the bill right away. This legislation will allow decent Americans to carry in any state in the country with confidence that they would not become entrapped by the fascist gun laws of anti-gun states.

    “GOA also sends special kudos to Republicans on the Judiciary Committee who shot down an attempt by Democrats to delete the Constitutional Carry protections in the bill. Gun Owners of America opposed the amendment that sought to only limit concealed carry reciprocity to permit holders and was happy to see that provision go down to an inglorious defeat.

    “Finally, Gun Owners of America condemns the committee's approval of the ‘Traffic Ticket Gun Ban’ (H.R. 4477). This deceptive legislation would add hundreds of thousands of additional names into the NICS system, thus blocking thousands of lawful gun owners from purchasing guns for offenses as slight as unpaid traffic tickets. Not only that, it would lay the groundwork for an anti-gun administration to troll every government health and welfare program for the purpose of imposing gun bans on recipients with PTSD, ADHD, and Alzheimer's -- the latter would jeopardize the inheritance of many valuable gun collections. The Obama administration already tried to do this with Social Security disability. In the future, there may not be a pro-gun Congress to disapprove similar moves or a pro-gun president to sign it.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Vote! Call! Make a difference! Lol.
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    An argument national reciprocity:


    http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2017...-trojan-horse/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Gun Owners of America on the two bills:
    GOA just ignored one of the most fundamental rules of politics.... if you don't have anything bad to say about the politicians, then don't say anything at all.
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    Justin Amash is against reciprocity for the reasons outlined in the article that Matty just posted.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I'll bet they are trying.
    Which "they"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    An argument national reciprocity:
    Constitutional Carry enforced to all states. as per the Constitution. (anything anytime anywhere as you please.)

    Makes Reciprocity moot.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Which "they"?
    Social Engineers/controllers in partnership with the Gotminers.
    Authoritarians and those who love them.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Constitutional Carry enforced to all states. as per the Constitution. (anything anytime anywhere as you please.)

    Makes Reciprocity moot.
    We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.
    Indeed, but this raises at least one question in my shriveled little mind: given that Theye wish us disarmed, why then have the states been moving consistently toward greater prerogatives with respect to our 2A protections? What are we not seeing? It remains difficult for me to believe that an issue as politically fundamental for Themme to resolve in their favor, which I assume would be to disarm everyone not under Theire direct control, would be allowed to drift so far in the "wrong" direction. If we assume for argument's sake that Theye are indeed not predisposed to see our rights creep back toward a fuller status, then how do we explain the fact that where 2A guaranty is concerned, we are seeing precisely that?

    Is this a truly organic political movement (hard to believe), or are Theye setting us up for something truly nasty?

    Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Indeed, but this raises at least one question in my shriveled little mind: given that Theye wish us disarmed, why then have the states been moving consistently toward greater prerogatives with respect to our 2A protections? What are we not seeing? It remains difficult for me to believe that an issue as politically fundamental for Themme to resolve in their favor, which I assume would be to disarm everyone not under Theire direct control, would be allowed to drift so far in the "wrong" direction. If we assume for argument's sake that Theye are indeed not predisposed to see our rights creep back toward a fuller status, then how do we explain the fact that where 2A guaranty is concerned, we are seeing precisely that?

    Is this a truly organic political movement (hard to believe), or are Theye setting us up for something truly nasty?

    Anyone?

    THEY have split into at least 2 camps and are preparing for civil war, at least 1 camp wants armed citizens on THEIR side.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    THEY have split into at least 2 camps and are preparing for civil war, at least 1 camp wants armed citizens on THEIR side.
    Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now. Political scare tactics.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-02-2017 at 05:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now.
    Some plans are never used, others are used after lying dormant for many years, it still may not happen but it is getting closer.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We may yet get there, but Reciprocity will be an improvement for now.
    Only to those that register for it. and are approved.

    It seems like gun registration to me,, but I am forbidden to exercise that right.(by the same that give permission)

    so I observe,,
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Been hearing about this "planned civil war" thing for decades now. Political scare tactics.
    It's good propaganda in certain circles.

    Sells papers (or whatever it is people buy nowadays).

    It also may well happen, but not for anyone's planning.

    Precious little that occurs is planned by anyone.

    This government is barely contained chaos.
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    WARNING!!!

    Thomas Massie warns about a trojan horse in this bill!!!!


    From his Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMa...43059172384905




    ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.


    As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database. The bill will also advance former President Obama’s agenda of pressuring every branch of the administration (such as the Veteran’s Administration) to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database to deny gun purchases. The House bill is identical in every way to the Senate bill except the House bill will also commission a study on bump-stocks.


    What you don’t know, and what virtually no one in Washington wants you to know, is that House leadership plans to merge the fix-NICS bill with popular Concealed Carry Reciprocity legislation, HR 38, and pass both of them with a single vote. Folks, this is how the swamp works. House leadership expects constituents to call their representatives demanding a vote on the reciprocity bill, when in fact the only vote will be on the two combined bills.


    How fast did Fix-NICS, HR 4477, move through the Judiciary Committee? This bill broke the previous records for fast track legislation. It was voted out of committee within hours of being introduced in the House. Check the dates on this link: https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4477/text . That means the text of the bill wasn’t even discoverable by the public on congress.gov until after the bill passed out of committee! The text was however available over in the Senate where you will find Senator Diane Feinstein and Senator Chuck Schumer are cosponsors.https://www.congress.gov/…/115t…/senate-bill/2135/cosponsors


    If that’s not odd enough, consider this: the fix-NICS bill was introduced in the House by a Democrat two weeks ago. https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-congr…/house-bill/4434/text . But, in a very unusual move, the bill was re-introduced verbatim by a Republican two weeks later, with language added to it to commission a bump-stock study. Six Republicans in Judiciary Committee weren’t persuaded by the switcheroo, and voted No. However, because every Democrat voted yes and some Republicans voted yes at the urging of the Chairman, the bill made it out of committee. The deed will be complete this week when the bill is quietly added to the Reciprocity bill, HR 38, and passed without the knowledge of those who would oppose the legislation if they knew what was in it.


    To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?


    (1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”

    (2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.

    (3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.

    (4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.

    (5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.

    In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.


    Does the NICS background check system have problems? Yes, it results in tens of thousands of unjustified denials of gun purchases every year. But like many bills in Congress, the fix-NICS doesn’t live up to its name – it will likely do the opposite. It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.


    If we continue to give the executive branch more money and encouragement to add names to the list of people prohibited from buying a firearm (without a day in court) and if the gun banners achieve their goal of universal background checks, one day, a single person elected to the office of President will be able to achieve universal gun prohibition.


    House leadership should immediately de-couple the fix-NICS legislation from the concealed carry reciprocity legislation. People hate it when Washington combines bills like our leadership plans to do this week.


    A few have speculated that the House is combining the bills to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate. I have some news for them: Senators Feinstein and Schumer aren’t going to vote for reciprocity even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database. If someone is naïve enough to think that’s going to work, and they’re willing to accept fix-NICS to get reciprocity, then they should ask the Senate to go first with the combined bill.


    Here’s a dangerous scenario that’s more likely to play out: The House uses the popularity of reciprocity (HR 38) to sneak fix-NICS through, while the Senate passes fix-NICS only. The Senate and the House meet at conference with their respective bills, with the result being fix-NICS emerges from conference without reciprocity. Fix-NICS comes back to the House and passes because all of the Democrats will vote for it (as they just did in Judiciary Committee) and many Republicans will vote for it. Because Republicans already voted for it once as part of the reciprocity deal that never came to pass, they won’t have a solid footing for opposing fix-NICS as a standalone bill. Then we’ll end up with fix-NICS, which is basically an expansion of the Brady Bill, without reciprocity.


    If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    WARNING!!!

    Thomas Massie warns about a trojan horse in this bill!!!!

    From his Facebook page:

    https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMa...43059172384905

    ALERT: Feinstein/Schumer sponsored gun legislation that amends the “Brady bill” will be added to Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill (HR 38) in the House this week.

    As Chairman of the Second Amendment Caucus, I’m blowing the whistle on the swamp. Last week, Republicans in the House fast tracked through committee HR 4477, a gun bill titled “fix-NICS.” The Senate version of this bill is cosponsored by Senator Dianne Feintstein and Senator Chuck Schumer and it will send $625 million over 5 years to states to expand the national background check database. The bill will also advance former President Obama’s agenda of pressuring every branch of the administration (such as the Veteran’s Administration) to submit thousands of more names to the NICS background check database to deny gun purchases. The House bill is identical in every way to the Senate bill except the House bill will also commission a study on bump-stocks.

    What you don’t know, and what virtually no one in Washington wants you to know, is that House leadership plans to merge the fix-NICS bill with popular Concealed Carry Reciprocity legislation, HR 38, and pass both of them with a single vote. Folks, this is how the swamp works. House leadership expects constituents to call their representatives demanding a vote on the reciprocity bill, when in fact the only vote will be on the two combined bills.

    How fast did Fix-NICS, HR 4477, move through the Judiciary Committee? This bill broke the previous records for fast track legislation. It was voted out of committee within hours of being introduced in the House. Check the dates on this link: https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-con...bill/4477/text . That means the text of the bill wasn’t even discoverable by the public on congress.gov until after the bill passed out of committee! The text was however available over in the Senate where you will find Senator Diane Feinstein and Senator Chuck Schumer are cosponsors.https://www.congress.gov/…/115t…/sen...135/cosponsors

    If that’s not odd enough, consider this: the fix-NICS bill was introduced in the House by a Democrat two weeks ago. https://www.congress.gov/…/115th-con...bill/4434/text . But, in a very unusual move, the bill was re-introduced verbatim by a Republican two weeks later, with language added to it to commission a bump-stock study. Six Republicans in Judiciary Committee weren’t persuaded by the switcheroo, and voted No. However, because every Democrat voted yes and some Republicans voted yes at the urging of the Chairman, the bill made it out of committee. The deed will be complete this week when the bill is quietly added to the Reciprocity bill, HR 38, and passed without the knowledge of those who would oppose the legislation if they knew what was in it.

    To recap, what are some clues that you should be concerned with the fix-NICS bill?

    (1) The first sentence after the title of the bill reads “Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (34 U.S.C. 40901) is amended…”

    (2) Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer are cosponsors in the Senate.

    (3) It’s being rammed through, without a hearing, in a very nontransparent process, and it will be passed by attaching it to the popular concealed carry reciprocity bill which already has enough votes to pass on its own.

    (4) It spends over half a billion dollars to collect more names to include in a list of people who will never be allowed to own a firearm.

    (5) It compels administrative agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.
    In my opinion, #5 is the biggest problem. The bill encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.

    Does the NICS background check system have problems? Yes, it results in tens of thousands of unjustified denials of gun purchases every year. But like many bills in Congress, the fix-NICS doesn’t live up to its name – it will likely do the opposite. It throws millions of dollars at a faulty program and it will result in more law-abiding citizens being deprived of their right to keep and bear arms.

    If we continue to give the executive branch more money and encouragement to add names to the list of people prohibited from buying a firearm (without a day in court) and if the gun banners achieve their goal of universal background checks, one day, a single person elected to the office of President will be able to achieve universal gun prohibition.

    House leadership should immediately de-couple the fix-NICS legislation from the concealed carry reciprocity legislation. People hate it when Washington combines bills like our leadership plans to do this week.

    A few have speculated that the House is combining the bills to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate. I have some news for them: Senators Feinstein and Schumer aren’t going to vote for reciprocity even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database. If someone is naïve enough to think that’s going to work, and they’re willing to accept fix-NICS to get reciprocity, then they should ask the Senate to go first with the combined bill.

    Here’s a dangerous scenario that’s more likely to play out: The House uses the popularity of reciprocity (HR 38) to sneak fix-NICS through, while the Senate passes fix-NICS only. The Senate and the House meet at conference with their respective bills, with the result being fix-NICS emerges from conference without reciprocity. Fix-NICS comes back to the House and passes because all of the Democrats will vote for it (as they just did in Judiciary Committee) and many Republicans will vote for it. Because Republicans already voted for it once as part of the reciprocity deal that never came to pass, they won’t have a solid footing for opposing fix-NICS as a standalone bill. Then we’ll end up with fix-NICS, which is basically an expansion of the Brady Bill, without reciprocity.

    If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.

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