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Thousands call for San Francisco boycott after Kate Steinle verdict
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Thousands-call-for-San-Francisco-boycott-after-12399131.php
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
He didn't bring the gun- he found it there. A group of about six young people were seen at that location shortly before. Based on the angle of the ricochet (it hit about 15 feet from where he was and she was about 80 feet farther away than that so figuring hitting her about four feet off the ground- in her back) , the gun was about two feet off the ground when it went off. If he was deliberately trying to shoot something, it would have been up closer to eye level.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-01-2017 at 09:27 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
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LOL
The government already controls immigration so even by you definitions I don't want to take more freedom from anyone, and the Native Americans were used by AF to demonstrate what happens when you are overwhelmed by people who don't share your culture or values so they are not a strawman, they are the point.
When you couldn't defeat AF's logic you resorted to an idiotic distraction by calling for modern Americans to be deported to Europe and when I pointed out how unjust that was you tried to distract by bringing up Israel/Palestine which has nothing to do with AF's or my position.
You have exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of your position through your inability to defend it through any honest debate.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Pfizer Macht Frei!
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Right- I made one comment- you took offense and started with the name-calling and insults, as you always do.
I am not trying to defeat AF's logic- he is pointing out an obvious fact- however, contrary to your continuous strawman arguments, the problems we face to today are indeed a part of the WoD- it is NOT a separate issue, any more than bombing other countries is separate from blowback.
Get over yourself.
Last edited by Ender; 12-02-2017 at 01:54 PM.
There is no spoon.
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/11/30...trial-verdict/
It was stolen from a U.S. Bureau of Land Management ranger’s car four days before Steinle’s death, but police couldn’t find any evidence tying Garcia Zarate to that burglary or other related car break-ins. Gonzalez has said the thefts indicate the work of a professional auto-burglary ring, not his client, who has no history of theft or any violent crimes. Judge Samuel Feng instructed the jury to assume Garcia Zarate did not steal the gun.
A defense video expert testified that surveillance video from about a quarter-mile away captured Garcia Zarate bending down just before the shooting — though the blurry video excerpt was hard to make out definitively. He also testified about a group of six people who can clearly be seen gathered around the seat Garcia Zarate would occupy 30 minutes later, appearing to set down and pick up a number of objects. The defense implied the group could have been placing the stolen gun.The defense called two firearms experts, one who testified about the gun’s likely position at or below Garcia Zarate’s knees when the shot was fired, initially flying toward the pier. The other testified that several aspects of the shooting indicated an accidental discharge, including a single shot being fired, the ricochet and no apparent motivation for shooting.
The bullet ricocheted 12 to 15 feet from Garcia Zarate, then ascended at a low angle for another 78 feet before hitting Steinle.
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Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius
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Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber
An obvious fact that you tried to ridicule with a stupid suggestion meant to imply that in order to have an intellectual leg to stand on AF would have to support giving the land back to the Indians.
No, as I have pointed out before they are 2 different issues that interact, we had illegal aliens before the war on drugs.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/20...einle-killing/
Federal Agency Promoted Ranger Five Months After His Gun Was Stolen and Used in Steinle Killing
Five months after Kathryn Steinle was slain on San Francisco’s waterfront, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management promoted the law enforcement ranger whose unsecured stolen gun was used to kill her, according to an internal BLM email obtained by KQED.
Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, an undocumented Mexican national, is expected to go on trial in San Francisco next week on a charge of murder in Steinle’s killing. Conservative lawmakers have seized on Garcia Zarate’s history of deportations and illegal re-entry into the U.S. — plus San Francisco’s policy that ignored a detention request from immigration authorities — to fuel a political assault on so-called sanctuary cities.
BLM ranger John Woychowski’s .40-caliber Sig Sauer handgun has received far less attention, and how it ended up in Garcia Zarate’s hands remains a mystery.
The attorneys say Woychowski was driving his personal vehicle, and he had passengers — his then-girlfriend and three children, 5, 10 and 14 years old. According to attorneys familiar with the case, Woychowski told investigators he left on a day off and drove up the California coast — over 600 miles — before stopping near the Embarcadero in San Francisco for dinner at almost 10 p.m.
When Woychowski and the group returned to the vehicle, they found it burglarized, with the backpack containing Woychowski’s duty weapon and ammunition missing. It had been stashed under the driver’s seat.
The gun’s path from there to Jose Ines Garcia Zarate’s hands — as he sat in a spinning metal chair on Pier 14 four days later — is unknown.Woychowski made a report to San Francisco police at 11:14 p.m., according to the defense motion. Another auto burglary, in a parking garage near 300 Embarcadero, just down the street from Pier 14, was reported at 11:34 p.m. The backpack, a .40-caliber ammunition magazine and Woychowski’s BLM-issued credit cards were found near the site of the second break-in.“If the San Francisco Police Department and the district attorney wanted to, they could have pressed charges,” civil attorney Alison Cordova said in an interview. “From what we know, John Woychowski did not have his gun in a locked compartment in the vehicle. It was in a backpack, unlocked in the vehicle. That is not a locked compartment. It was a violation of criminal law at the time that it happened.”
Defense attorney Gonzalez says that wasn’t the only crime. Woychowski had a second handgun in the spare tire wheel well in the trunk of his car that Gonzalez says was also unsecured. It wasn’t stolen. Woychowski didn’t mention it to police investigators, and they didn’t ask, Gonzalez said.The gun was stolen about ten days before the incident.Even though he wasn’t criminally charged, Woychowski should have faced administrative discipline — such as a reprimand, suspension or firing, Gonzalez says, for violating BLM law enforcement policies in addition to state law.
He faced none, however.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-01-2017 at 10:16 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The reality is here wasn't evidence to convict this nitwit.
And this shakes the idiot nationalists to the bone.
...or would shake them, if they still had thoughts.
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
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