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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Kate Steinle wasn’t in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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    San Fransicko in this day and age is the wrong place and the wrong time.

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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Jury got to look at the evidence and decided that it wasn't murder but a tragic accident.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let's ask these guys how allowing millions of people hostile to them, their people, their way of life, ideals, customs and traditions; unfettered immigration, a demographic invasion, to their ancestral lands and homes, worked out for them.

    So, should we be giving them back their country?
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  5. #124
    Thousands call for San Francisco boycott after Kate Steinle verdict

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Thousands-call-for-San-Francisco-boycott-after-12399131.php
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  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    So, should we be giving them back their country?
    Of course you would jump to suggest that we penalize innocent people who live today for the debatable (and I mean that literally) actions of people who are no longer living when you can't deal with the logic point that proves your position to be insane.
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  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Of course you would jump to suggest that we penalize innocent people who live today for the debatable (and I mean that literally) actions of people who are no longer living when you can't deal with the logic point that proves your position to be insane.
    You mean like the Palestinians were penalized? Seems a logic most Americans support- as long as it's other people's turf.
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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    You mean like the Palestinians were penalized? Seems a logic most Americans support- as long as it's other people's turf.
    That's right, set up a strawman to hide the fact that you are losing.

    We are not discussing what most Americans supposedly support nor are we discussing Israel/Palestine.
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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Is it a common practice for people to walk on the pier in San Francisco and shoot a gun?





    To be 'illegal' means he broke the law from the get-go. Citizens in San Francisco don't open carry or are they allowed to exercise their second amendment? What makes him better than the citizens of the country he is illegally in?
    He didn't bring the gun- he found it there. A group of about six young people were seen at that location shortly before. Based on the angle of the ricochet (it hit about 15 feet from where he was and she was about 80 feet farther away than that so figuring hitting her about four feet off the ground- in her back) , the gun was about two feet off the ground when it went off. If he was deliberately trying to shoot something, it would have been up closer to eye level.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-01-2017 at 09:27 PM.



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He didn't bring the gun- he found it there. A group of about six young people were seen at that location shortly before.
    Sure he did.
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  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Well, it's a good thing he didn't have a beer and then accidentally run her over. Then he would be in real trouble.

    They should probably give him a blanket and a McDonald's gift card and let him out back onto the streets of San Francisco.
    Probably will, he was up to be deported for the sixth time and a convicted felon. Shouldn't have had the gun at all in his hands.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's right, set up a strawman to hide the fact that you are losing.

    We are not discussing what most Americans supposedly support nor are we discussing Israel/Palestine.
    I was discussing the indigenous people of America, who don't bear a lot of resemblance to those who you want to keep free by taking more freedom from them. Karma's a bitch.

    Talk about a strawman.
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  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    (8) Felon in possession of a firearm, (9) felon firing weapon within city limits, (10) felon violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972.
    Yes, guns kill people; what now Nancy?

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am aware that your fellow heretics at the ComIntern deny that groups any smaller than all of mankind can exert any form of ownership or control over property tovaritch, as long as our foundational premises are different any further discussion is pointless.
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  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He didn't bring the gun- he found it there. A group of about six young people were seen at that location shortly before. Based on the angle of the ricochet (it hit about 15 feet from where he was and she was about 80 feet farther away than that so figuring hitting her about four feet off the ground- in her back) , the gun was about two feet off the ground when it went off. If he was deliberately trying to shoot something, it would have been up closer to eye level.
    Damn you are good at towing the Party line, comrade.
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  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I was discussing the indigenous people of America, who don't bear a lot of resemblance to those who you want to keep free by taking more freedom from them. Karma's a bitch.

    Talk about a strawman.

    LOL

    The government already controls immigration so even by you definitions I don't want to take more freedom from anyone, and the Native Americans were used by AF to demonstrate what happens when you are overwhelmed by people who don't share your culture or values so they are not a strawman, they are the point.

    When you couldn't defeat AF's logic you resorted to an idiotic distraction by calling for modern Americans to be deported to Europe and when I pointed out how unjust that was you tried to distract by bringing up Israel/Palestine which has nothing to do with AF's or my position.

    You have exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of your position through your inability to defend it through any honest debate.
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  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Damn you are good at towing the Party line, comrade.
    Do you have evidence to the contrary?



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do you have evidence to the contrary?
    He admitted to firing the gun before he changed his story.
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The government already controls immigration so even by you definitions I don't want to take more freedom from anyone, and the Native Americans were used by AF to demonstrate what happens when you are overwhelmed by people who don't share your culture or values so they are not a strawman, they are the point.

    When you couldn't defeat AF's logic you resorted to an idiotic distraction by calling for modern Americans to be deported to Europe and when I pointed out how unjust that was you tried to distract by bringing up Israel/Palestine which has nothing to do with AF's or my position.

    You have exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of your position through your inability to defend it through any honest debate.

    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.


    I’d like to see the current Indians return the land to those that they conquered.
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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The government already controls immigration so even by you definitions I don't want to take more freedom from anyone, and the Native Americans were used by AF to demonstrate what happens when you are overwhelmed by people who don't share your culture or values so they are not a strawman, they are the point.

    When you couldn't defeat AF's logic you resorted to an idiotic distraction by calling for modern Americans to be deported to Europe and when I pointed out how unjust that was you tried to distract by bringing up Israel/Palestine which has nothing to do with AF's or my position.

    You have exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of your position through your inability to defend it through any honest debate.
    Right- I made one comment- you took offense and started with the name-calling and insults, as you always do.

    I am not trying to defeat AF's logic- he is pointing out an obvious fact- however, contrary to your continuous strawman arguments, the problems we face to today are indeed a part of the WoD- it is NOT a separate issue, any more than bombing other countries is separate from blowback.

    Get over yourself.
    Last edited by Ender; 12-02-2017 at 01:54 PM.
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  23. #140
    https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/11/30...trial-verdict/

    It was stolen from a U.S. Bureau of Land Management ranger’s car four days before Steinle’s death, but police couldn’t find any evidence tying Garcia Zarate to that burglary or other related car break-ins. Gonzalez has said the thefts indicate the work of a professional auto-burglary ring, not his client, who has no history of theft or any violent crimes. Judge Samuel Feng instructed the jury to assume Garcia Zarate did not steal the gun.

    A defense video expert testified that surveillance video from about a quarter-mile away captured Garcia Zarate bending down just before the shooting — though the blurry video excerpt was hard to make out definitively. He also testified about a group of six people who can clearly be seen gathered around the seat Garcia Zarate would occupy 30 minutes later, appearing to set down and pick up a number of objects. The defense implied the group could have been placing the stolen gun.
    The defense called two firearms experts, one who testified about the gun’s likely position at or below Garcia Zarate’s knees when the shot was fired, initially flying toward the pier. The other testified that several aspects of the shooting indicated an accidental discharge, including a single shot being fired, the ricochet and no apparent motivation for shooting.

    The bullet ricocheted 12 to 15 feet from Garcia Zarate, then ascended at a low angle for another 78 feet before hitting Steinle.

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Whether it is or not is inconsequential to the matter at hand.

    What is offensive to individual liberty is The Vote (tm) itself. Further, it is offensive to individual liberty to suggest that individual liberty is advanced by restricting the physical movement of non-violent human beings.

    That being said, this POS who shot Ms. Steinle, either intentionally or accidentally, should have found his tit in a legitimate ringer, his "immigrant status" not withstanding (and that seems to be the fact lost upon the Trumpistas)... and I hope he does find it so one way or another.

    ETA: I know where I'd be on this matter, were I her relative.
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  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yes, guns kill people; what now Nancy?
    ??? (Sorry, I no longer have my Orphan Annie Secret Society decoder pin.)
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  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I am not trying to defeat AF's logic- he is pointing out an obvious fact-
    An obvious fact that you tried to ridicule with a stupid suggestion meant to imply that in order to have an intellectual leg to stand on AF would have to support giving the land back to the Indians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    however, contrary to your continuou strawman arguments, the problems we face to today are indeed a part of the WoD- it is NOT a separate issue, any more than bombing other countries is separate from blowback.
    No, as I have pointed out before they are 2 different issues that interact, we had illegal aliens before the war on drugs.
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  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    ??? (Sorry, I no longer have my Orphan Annie Secret Society decoder pin.)
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  29. #145
    https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/20...einle-killing/

    Federal Agency Promoted Ranger Five Months After His Gun Was Stolen and Used in Steinle Killing

    Five months after Kathryn Steinle was slain on San Francisco’s waterfront, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management promoted the law enforcement ranger whose unsecured stolen gun was used to kill her, according to an internal BLM email obtained by KQED.

    Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, an undocumented Mexican national, is expected to go on trial in San Francisco next week on a charge of murder in Steinle’s killing. Conservative lawmakers have seized on Garcia Zarate’s history of deportations and illegal re-entry into the U.S. — plus San Francisco’s policy that ignored a detention request from immigration authorities — to fuel a political assault on so-called sanctuary cities.

    BLM ranger John Woychowski’s .40-caliber Sig Sauer handgun has received far less attention, and how it ended up in Garcia Zarate’s hands remains a mystery.
    The attorneys say Woychowski was driving his personal vehicle, and he had passengers — his then-girlfriend and three children, 5, 10 and 14 years old. According to attorneys familiar with the case, Woychowski told investigators he left on a day off and drove up the California coast — over 600 miles — before stopping near the Embarcadero in San Francisco for dinner at almost 10 p.m.

    When Woychowski and the group returned to the vehicle, they found it burglarized, with the backpack containing Woychowski’s duty weapon and ammunition missing. It had been stashed under the driver’s seat.

    The gun’s path from there to Jose Ines Garcia Zarate’s hands — as he sat in a spinning metal chair on Pier 14 four days later — is unknown.
    Woychowski made a report to San Francisco police at 11:14 p.m., according to the defense motion. Another auto burglary, in a parking garage near 300 Embarcadero, just down the street from Pier 14, was reported at 11:34 p.m. The backpack, a .40-caliber ammunition magazine and Woychowski’s BLM-issued credit cards were found near the site of the second break-in.
    “If the San Francisco Police Department and the district attorney wanted to, they could have pressed charges,” civil attorney Alison Cordova said in an interview. “From what we know, John Woychowski did not have his gun in a locked compartment in the vehicle. It was in a backpack, unlocked in the vehicle. That is not a locked compartment. It was a violation of criminal law at the time that it happened.

    Defense attorney Gonzalez says that wasn’t the only crime. Woychowski had a second handgun in the spare tire wheel well in the trunk of his car that Gonzalez says was also unsecured. It wasn’t stolen. Woychowski didn’t mention it to police investigators, and they didn’t ask, Gonzalez said.
    Even though he wasn’t criminally charged, Woychowski should have faced administrative discipline — such as a reprimand, suspension or firing, Gonzalez says, for violating BLM law enforcement policies in addition to state law.

    He faced none, however.
    The gun was stolen about ten days before the incident.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-01-2017 at 10:16 PM.

  30. #146
    The model of gun involved doesn't "drop-fire" and he admitted to firing the gun before changing his story.
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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
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  32. #148
    The reality is here wasn't evidence to convict this nitwit.

    And this shakes the idiot nationalists to the bone.

    ...or would shake them, if they still had thoughts.

  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The reality is here wasn't evidence to convict this nitwit.

    And this shakes the idiot nationalists to the bone.

    ...or would shake them, if they still had thoughts.
    You mean other than his confession?
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  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He admitted to firing the gun before he changed his story.
    Are you saying his testimony is not credible?!
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