This is the liberal defense. HRC was not charged on the same grounds. There simply is no proof there was an intent. Case closed.Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty
If California's progressive jurors believed Jose was possessed by devils, perhaps shooting the gun was the intent of an evil spirit inside his body.
I would love nothing more to secede and do exactly that.
But it's not going to work if you start with, or import, a population that wants empire or war or Marxism.
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
I don't see that as an immigration problem; I see it as a problem with TPTB dumbing down the populace and then enforcing fear and hate to keep people at each other's throats instead of seeing the Man Behind the Curtain.
There is no spoon.
We have to blame somebody! Da Joos! Da muslims! Da Immigrants! Then we need to expand the police state to protect honest people from all these criminals here to rob, rape, and kill us! (here is the bill for our services!!)
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb...forum-20120201The 12-term Texas congressman spent the better part of a 25-minute address thinking aloud about the thorny subject. He talked about how Americans are more accepting of outsiders when the economy is good, but when trouble looms there is a search for scapegoats.
"I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they're the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state," Paul told the group. "In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.
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The man behind the curtain wants the population displacement to usher in a servant class.
They have a servant class. It is called the "working class".
And the working class still isn't dumb and servile enough for their liking.
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Well Trump just won his reelection based on this verdict.
Da white people!
FTFY!Then we need to expand the police state to protecthonest people"minorities" from all thesecriminalswhites here to rob, rape, and kill us!
Disrupt, Deny, Deflate. Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...eptive-members
If you eliminate all give-away programs that is a good start (and they WILL go away on their own when bankruptcy is realized) and then the immigrants can "pool" their money together to use for a goonerment. Of course #Liberty minded people can also pool their money together to fight against it. I think we would win that one hands down because most of those who "want" something will be too cheap to donate what little they have to get the promise of more money down the road...
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We already are a servant class- just too dumbed down to know it.
There is no spoon.
Or happy with it.
It always could have been worse for someone with no skills to speak of.
I think it was the negligence of the prosecutor, constructive or negligent manslaughter nor other charges, e.g., obstruction of justice (as his ever changing story is indicative that he is hiding other facts from view), was proffered as lesser offenses, the jury can only consider was is on the table.
And yet another one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ssault-US.htmlMexican man convicted of kidnapping and sexually abusing two Oregon women GRINS in court and tells their families he'll 'see you in Hell' - as it emerges he'd already been deported TWENTY times before
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FMJ is required for foreign action by the Geneva Convention. We are allowed to tear our own people to shreds domestically.
So a crazy illegal immigrant and five time deportation loser and a BLM officer that didn't secure his firearm both get off and a citizen is left dead.
'Murica! I can just feel the greatness.
From the late and always spot-on William Grigg:
Heads Up, Mexico
By William Norman Grigg
April 11, 2011
The time has come, insists Representative Michael McCaul (R-Texas), “for the U.S. to show serious commitment to war in our own backyard.”
It’s shamefully narrow-minded of Washington to confer the blessings of humanitarian mass murder on distant Bedouins while ignoring our Mestizo neighbors to the South. McCaul, a former federal prosecutor who now chairs the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Oversight, is eager to help rectify that inequity by designating six Mexican drug syndicates — including Los Zetas, which is led by U.S.-trained military personnel — as “foreign terrorist organizations.”
This would permit deportation or prosecution of anyone providing “support” to the narcotics syndicates. Of course, this wouldn’t apply to the public officials in the United States responsible for the huge narcotics price support program called the “War on Drugs.”
Over the past five years, an estimated 37,000 people have been killed as a result of the U.S.-funded war between the administration of Mexican President Felipe Calderon and various narcotics syndicates. Several months ago, Texas Governor Rick Perry suggested that Washington should invade Mexico for the supposed purpose of ending the violence. The only trivial impediment to that plan, Perry observed, is that Mexico’s government would have to “approve” of the invasion.
As if to answer the question, “What kind of Latin American political figure would `approve’ of a U.S. invasion and occupation of his country?” Colombian-born Washington Post columnist Edward Schumacher-Matos offered a very public endorsement of the proposal.
It’s worth pointing out that between positions with the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and his present gig at the Post, Schumacher-Matos taught a course at Harvard’s David Rockefeller Center for Latin American studies, which is one of several academic nurseries in which the Establishment cultivates tomorrow’s Quislings.
Schumacher-Matos piously chastises Mexico’s political class for being “too proud to do what they immediately should: Call in the Marines.” Only if Mexican somehow emerge from “their nationalistic stupor” will they see the light of reason and welcome the presence of their new overlords — “American military specialists stationed within [their] borders to help the country build powerful electronic intelligence systems and train modern military and police forces to replace its suffocatingly hierarchical, outdated ones.”
Although Mexico “is our neighbor and supposed longtime ally, the Mexican army has never — never — participated in a joint military exercise with the U.S. military,” Schumacher-Matos points out, inviting us to sorrowful contemplation of the shame of it all. To substantiate the point, he cites a recent study by Roderic Ai Camp of the Woodrow Wilson Center, oblivious to the irony of mentioning Wilson’s name in connection with proposed U.S. military intervention in Mexico.
“What is getting in the way of deeper cooperation with the U.S. military is that the Mexican military, political and intellectual leaders, abetted by U.S. intellectuals, still have their heads in the Mexican and American wars for the 19th century and the Cold War of the 20th,” Schumacher-Matos scolds. “They talk of imperialism and hegemony — which are irrelevant today.”
This isn’t “imperialism” that we’re discussing, insists this Rockefeller-suckled sock puppet: It’s applied humanitarianism of the kind that has turned places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Kosovo, and Libya into havens of peace and prosperity.
Elements of Schumacher-Matos’s prescription are a bit outdated. The “electronic intelligence systems” he describes are already operating in Mexico; huge amounts of money are being poured into training and equipping Mexican military and police; and U.S.-trained paramilitaries are actively involved in the Drug War — on both sides of the conflict.
“The U.S. agents generally provide intelligence and training, while Mexicans do the hands-on work,” explains a recent AP dispatch from Mexico City. Brad Barker, president of a “private” mercenary firm called HALO Corporation, told the AP: “Yes, we’re tracking vehicles, yes, we’re tracking people…. There’s been a huge spike in agents down here.”
For the nonce, however, the huge and growing population of U.S. military and intelligence “advisers” infesting Mexico have to “play down” their role, in order “to avoid rubbing nationalist raw spots.”
The division of labor used to maintain the fiction of Mexican independence was displayed in joint operations staged to murder Arturo Beltran-Leyva, the admittedly vicious head of a narcotics operation (an offshoot of the Sinaloa Cartel) he co-founded with his four brothers. On December 11, 2009, a team of U.S.-trained Mexican Special Forces operators, acting on intelligence gathered by their American “advisers,” attacked a Christmas party, slaughtering several guests, wounding numerous others, and terrorizing scores more while Beltran-Leyva fled.
Several days later, U.S. agents tracked the fugitive to an apartment in Cuernavaca. This time 200 Special Forces troops laid siege to the building, surrounding it with tanks and helicopter gunships.
The outcome was predictable, and proudly memorialized in trophy photos of Beltran-Leyva’s dead, mutilated body that were given wide circulation by the Mexican government.
This assassination was hailed as a significant “victory” in Washington’s drug war in Mexico. Indeed, from the perspective of the people who manage that war, it was an ideal victory — the kind that helps perpetuate the conflict, rather than bringing it to an end. As the AP points out, in the year following the killing of Beltran-Leyva, arrests of drug cartel leaders were up, cocaine seizures expanded, and the frequency of drug-related extraditions to the U.S. increased — “and yet, killings jumped to a record high … and more heroin and marijuana are being produced in Mexico and smuggled into the U.S.”
As with all other “successful” government programs, Washington’s narco-war in Mexico is a breeder reactor for larger and even more profitable problems. The escalating violence by Washington and its puppet government in Mexico City is provoking retaliatory violence against American assets.
Washington’s proxy war in Mexico has killed tens of thousands of Mexicans, as well as a small but growing number of U.S. citizens. What really prompted the ire of Rep. McCaul, however, was the murder last February of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata by a hit team employed by Los Zetas. This episode, in which a Federal Agent was assassinated by a cartel led by U.S.-trained Mexican paramilitaries that led McCaul to demand that Mexican drug syndicates be classified as “foreign terrorist organizations.”
While Mexican President Calderon has "boldly declared war against the cartels,” McCaul declares, “the Mexicans are losing the war — and so are we."
Of course, the most effective way to destroy the criminal syndicates — as a growing number of war-weary Mexicans understand — would be to de-criminalize narcotics, which would mean an immediate end to the grotesquely inflated profits that sustain the cartels.
McCaul and his ilk, however, prefer to take the contrary approach — continued escalation of the conflict with no imaginable end. “We can’t afford a failed state in Mexico, and we must secure our borders,” intones McCaul.
Let’s briefly examine this familiar piece of thought-stopping boilerplate.
Since the housing bubble burst four years ago, immigration from Mexico is down dramatically. The chief threat to “border security” at present is the violence being churned up in Mexico through Washington’s drug war. If the threat of “spillover” narcotics violence is the main problem, ending the drug war is the obvious solution — yet ideologues like McCaul have a way of resisting the obvious.
For those who understand that the state is always and everywhere the chief enemy of liberty, prosperity, and peace, the term “failed state” is a pleonasm. When employed by spokesmen for the Imperial power elite, however, the term is invoked as a prelude to military intervention in order to impose a government-exercised monopoly on force — which in practice has meant becoming local franchises of a U.S.-dominated global political system.
Interventions of this kind are justified as a form of preventive counter-terrorism. Accordingly, whenever U.S. politicians and policy-makers suggest that Mexico is in danger of becoming a “failed state,” they are tuning the atmosphere for even more forceful intervention in that country’s domestic affairs.
It shouldn’t surprise us to learn that a growing number of Mexicans are weary of being on the receiving end of Washington’s armed benevolence.
“We are fed up with this war that nobody asked for,” exclaimed Ciudad Juarez resident Leticia Ruiz, one of thousands of Mexicans who attended protests on April 6 demanding an end to Washington’s drug war in Mexico.
“We’re sick of you politicians,” declared Javier Sicilia, a noted Mexican author whose 24-year-old son was murdered by cartel hit-men. “In this badly planned, badly executed and badly led war, you have put the country into a state of emergency.”
The horrors being visited on Mexicans in this unnecessary war are of little concern to the ruling elite on either side of the border. As Hillary Clinton admitted in a moment of stunning candor, de-criminalization of narcotics and de-escalation in the drug war simply aren’t possible, because there is “too much money” to be made through prohibition. One illustration of this can be seen in the fact that when the global finance system went into cardiac arrest in 2008, laundered narcotics proceeds were the only liquid capital available for inter-bank loans.
Many law enforcement agencies in the United States have become addicted to drug war subsidies, both in the form of funds stolen and redistributed through taxation and in the form of direct highway robbery by way of “asset forfeiture.” The Texas legislature has sought to expand that symbiosis between the criminal underworld and the even more disreputable political “overworld” by expanding the use of highway checkpoints — for seatbelt enforcement, license and insurance inspections, and drug and weapons searches — in order to harvest revenue to make up for shortfalls in tax revenue.
Significantly, Rep. McCaul points out that his proposal to designate drug cartels as “terrorist” organizations would “intensify southbound inspections to seize weapons and cash.” In practice this would mean an escalation in Washington’s unremitting war against privacy and private property.
Rep. McCaul himself illustrates another reason why there is no official interest in ending the drug war. As the Houston Chronicle points out, McCaul “unveiled [his] legislation as he raises his profile in Washington for a possible bid for statewide office” — specifically, the Senate seat being vacated next year by Kay Bailey Hutchison. Being a dutiful drug war drone is a prescription for job security — and in many cases, the key to a lucrative political career. Despite growing public disenchantment with this murderous charade, there is no political profit in working to bring it to an end.
No hyperbole is involved in describing Mexico as another front in the Regime’s war with — well, practically everybody. This is illustrated by the fact that several months ago, beginning with a September 2010 installment of Oliver North’s “War Stories” agitprop series, the Fox News Channel has been referring to the proxy conflict in Mexico as America’s “Third War” (which would mean, of course, that the ongoing campaign in Libya would be the Regime’s fourth war).
Like other spokesmen for the War Party, Rep. McCaul has promoted a unified field theory of global conflict in which Mexico is emerging as a haven for Islamic terrorists bent on destroying the U.S. Although there’s no evidence of an Islamist/Narco-terrorist alliance, undisguised U.S. military intervention in Mexico could conceivably provoke a nationalist backlash that would serve the War Party’s propaganda needs nearly as well.
For decades, some elements of the Right (occasionally abetted by people who should have known better) have peddled the notion that Mexico has created a vast and well-organized “fifth column” within the United States dedicated to La Reconquista — the re-conquest of territories seized by the U.S. during the Mexican-American War.
In this scenario, non-assimilated Mexicans by the millions join in a campaign of violence orchestrated by the Mexican government with the help of foundation-funded anti-American groups on this side of the border.
Whatever revanchist sentiments may exist in Mexico are the residue of Washington’s seizure of roughly half the country through a war of aggression. Washington’s proxy narco-war has done nothing to palliate those feelings. About the only thing that could vindicate the alarmist fantasy of a nationalistic uprising on the part of Mexicans living on the U.S. side of the border would be direct U.S. military intervention in Mexico. I’m just cynical enough to believe that this would be considered a selling point to the people who profit on the misery inflicted by Washington’s drug wars, both here and abroad.
There is no spoon.
Don't hear much about that BLM officer now do we??
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Not at all. Despite this whole $#@! all, he got an award. boo-yah!
Hero.
But this gun wasn't "most" guns. This gun was a federal cop's gun.Most guns don't fire themselves.
And as anyone familiar with the curious grammar of police shootings knows, cop guns have a well-documented tendency to fire themselves ...
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Origanalist again.1. No.Did your opinion make any dents in the size of the government? Is there anything, short of this lofty goal, worth your attention?
2. Sure,, kids, grandkids, work, the old lady, motorcycles, good whiskey and more.
I think Origanalist's point (and he can correct me if I am wrong) is along the lines of "who is this 'we' to whom you refer?"So the answer is: Yes we would need to control immigration to protect freedom from statist barbarians.
If "we" is the empire, then the answer is a resounding "NO!!" (In this case, "we" already are the "statist barbarians" ...)
Otherwise ...
Montana (for just one example) has far more in common geographically, economically, environmentally, demographically, culturally, etc., etc. with, say, Saskatchewan than it does with Floridia.
What possible sense can it make, then, to subjugate both Montana and Florida to "One Immigration Policy to rule them all" - a policy imposed from on high by a gang of corrupt jackasses in Washington D.C. almost none of whom are from anywhere near either Montana or Florida in the first place? (I mean, if you want to talk about the dangers of alien interlopers having an undue and corrosive influence upon the culture and polity in which you live ... *yeeesh!*)
Origanalist is absolutely right: If we are going to suffer under government, and if it is going to control immigration, far better that it "depend on local sentiments" than upon Sauronian edicts issued from Barad-dûr-on-the-Potomac ...
California appeals court overturns sole conviction in Kate Steinle death
A California state appeals court Friday overturned the lone conviction against an undocumented immigrant who shot and killed Kate Steinle on the San Francisco waterfront in 2015, a case which drew national attention and became a flashpoint in the debate over illegal immigration.
Jose Inez Garcia-Zarate, who was in the U.S. illegally had been deported to his native Mexico five times, was acquitted in November 2017 of first and second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, and assault with a semi-automatic weapon. He was convicted of one count of being a felon in possession of a firearm.
On Friday, the 1st District Court of Appeal in San Francisco overturned that conviction because the judge failed to give the jury the option of acquitting Garcia-Zarate on the theory he only possessed the weapon for a moment.
Prosecutors argued that the jury instruction lapse was harmless because Garcia-Zarate admitted firing the gun and experts said he couldn't do so without pulling the trigger. The court disagreed, saying the jury's verdict showed they rejected the prosecution theory that the shooting was intentional or even negligent and they had asked the judge to define possession and whether there was a time requirement for possession.
"These questions go to the heart of the momentary possession defense," Justice Sandra Margulies wrote in the 3-0 decision. "The fact the jury asked whether there was a time requirement for possession suggests jurors were wrestling with how long [the] defendant had the gun."
Garcia-Zarate remains in custody and is facing federal charges of gun possession and being in the country illegally. His attorney, Tony Serra, told The Associated Press that trial is scheduled to begin Jan. 13 and added that the appeals court reversal will give prosecutors the option to re-try Garcia-Zarate.
"That kind of error causes reversals all the time. Then the prosecution has the prerogative of going again," Serra said. "The state case is a heavier case because it's a homicide and a gun. ... It's going to be a big potential decision on what they're going to do."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/kate-stei...-appeals-court
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This is such an excellent post. It's a shame it went unreplied.
How very sweden of us...
Other countries must be seeing news like the Steinle verdit and thinking;
why do Americans let illegals rape and kill their women with no punishment?
Its exactly how we view Sweden and their culture of letting their women get raped and doing absolutely nothing about it.
Prosecutor did a piss poor job ejecting San Francisco SJWs off the jury.
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@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Competence is not a requirement for a prosecutor in a system where they are almost always guaranteed a victory (unless they want to sabotage their case).
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