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    Controversial bill would force business owners to take down bulletproof glass

    PHILADELPHIA (WTXF) - A controversial bill is currently working its way through city hall designed to regulate 'stop and go' liquor stores. One part of the bill would force business owners to take down bulletproof glass inside their stores.

    A bill moving through city council reads: "No establishment shall erect or maintain a physical barrier."
    It's called the 'Stop and Go' bill and is being offered by city councilwoman Cindy Bass.
    "Right now, the plexiglass has to come down," she said.
    She wants to put some controls on these small stores that she says sell booze, very little food and are the source of trouble in her district.

    More at: http://www.fox29.com/news/controvers...letproof-glass


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    Cindy Bass is a racist. Smart angle for these Korean Americans to take. They need billboards.

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    They should challenge her to go work at one of those store for 30-days full-time without a barrier and then see how she feels about this utterly stupid, unconstitutional bill.

    BTW, how many government buildings in PA have such barriers, those will all need to come down too. And what about TSA screening, isn't that offensive too, metal detectors at all courthouses, etc?
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    It's called the 'Stop and Go' bill and is being offered by city councilwoman Cindy Bass.
    She should just Stop f-ing with small business owners & Go to hell... geez, where do they come up with these idiots?

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    Do police stand behind glass in the police station?

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    Simple solution... let the "neighborhood" put in their own stores. Once e'body starves, come in and clean up the mess.
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    Can't through to the article.

    Let me guess: bulletproof glass is racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    They should challenge her to go work at one of those store for 30-days full-time without a barrier and then see how she feels about this utterly stupid, unconstitutional bill.
    Oh my gawd, this DC princess would faint if people tried talking to her, but the occasional smelly drunk bum? fuggidabowdit

    BTW, how many government buildings in PA have such barriers, those will all need to come down too. And what about TSA screening, isn't that offensive too, metal detectors at all courthouses, etc?
    Just about any police station refurbished in the last 15 years has those no contact windows.



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    She's actually trying to shut down the businesses because they attract the wrong kind of people. (Not sarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A bill moving through city council reads: "No establishment shall erect or maintain a physical barrier."
    Like a door? Or a wall?

    What idiocy.
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    Philadelphia is one step closer to getting rid of bulletproof glass in many of its small businesses as part of a larger effort to crack down on loitering, public urination and potential drug sales — but the potential ban has triggered a backlash from shopkeepers.
    The city’s Public Health and Human Services Committee passed a bill Monday enabling Philadelphia’s Department of Licenses and Inspections to regulate the bullet-resistant barricades that stand between customers and cash registers in many neighborhood corner stores, according to FOX29.
    “No establishment required to obtain a Large Establishment license … shall erect or maintain a physical barrier that requires the persons serving the food either to open a window or other aperture or to pass the food through a window or other aperture, in order to hand the food to a customer inside the establishment,” the bill states. It also calls for larger establishments to have bathrooms for customers.
    Several of the hundreds of deli owners told FOX29 they feel as though they are being singled out, and numerous shopkeepers are among those protesting the bill.
    “If the glass comes down, the crime rate will rise and there will be lots of dead bodies,” Rich Kim, the owner of Broad Deli, which sells soda, meals and beer by the can, said. “The most important thing is safety and the public’s safety.”

    More at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07...ood-shops.html
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    I'd like to put a plexiglass box around her head with a little door and a knob on the outside.

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    I just read another thread by helmuth...I guess those barriers work keeping the monkeys out.
    Sometimes, people need a good kick to the head.

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    I'm sure this lady doesn't actually want Koreans to be shot and stabbed. However, she clearly values the feelings of someone that might be just barely offended (not offended enough to shop at one of the other 1,000 stores in the city) over the lives of the small business owners in her community. Someone with her mindset being a part of the government is a danger to everyone's wallet and well being within the city.
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    The Philadelphia City Council voted Thursday to remove bulletproof glass from the windows of some local businesses, despite a backlash from shop owners who cited safety concerns.
    The council voted 14-3 to approve legislation that could eventually force business owners to remove the protective glass outside their storefronts that some lawmakers believe operate as drug fronts and facilitate loitering and public urination, Fox 29 reported.
    The bill, which was passed by the city’s Public Health and Human Services Committee on Dec. 4, enables Philadelphia’s Department of Licenses and Inspections to regulate the bullet-resistant barricades that stand between customers and cash registers in many neighborhood corner stores.

    More at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/14...orefronts.html
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    Oh lemme guess... It be raycis to have bandit barriers in one's business establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    They should challenge her to go work at one of those store for 30-days full-time without a barrier...
    In Germantown. Nothing less would suffice.
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    Reason #26,487 not to own a business in the US.

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    Just a thought, but they may be able to argue this as a I Amendment violation, a somewhat related case involving an ordinance prohibiting, by misdemeanor, the burning of a "cross" was found to be unconstitutional in R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377 (1992); they could argue that the display of the barrier is an expression of their fear and concern pertaining to high crime area, poverty, etc. As well they can gain support from Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. (1981), being that the government owes no duty of protection to the public at all.

    Also this is cosmetic issue and regulating the matter is a blatant abuse of governmental authority, serving no other tangible purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post

    Also this is cosmetic issue and regulating the matter is a blatant abuse of governmental authority, serving no other tangible purpose.
    It is abuse of Power,, by those that should never have it.

    It also serves a purpose.. A continuation of Prohibition despite it's repeal.
    Social Controllers never got over that.

    it is also another tool to control..Economic starvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    I'm sure this lady doesn't actually want Koreans to be shot and stabbed.

    Seems to me she couldn't care less if they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Oh lemme guess... It be raycis to have bandit barriers in one's business establishment.
    Snopes defended Cindy Bass and said the story was blown out of proportion by conservatives. Sure.


    "That’s when criticism of Bass and her bill took a hyperbolic and misleading turn on conservative web sites.

    The web site Steadfastandloyal.com, for instance, exclaimed that “bulletproof glass is now racist” in their title. However, in the body of the article, they admitted that the councilwoman never actually used those words."

    “Right now, the Plexiglas has to come down,” she said.

    She says she wants to put some controls on these small stores that, from her point of view, sell booze, very little food and are a source of trouble for her district.

    “We want to make sure that there isn’t this sort of indignity, in my opinion, to serving food through a Plexiglas only in certain neighborhoods,” Councilwoman Bass said.

    https://www.snopes.com/2017/12/12/ph...-glass-racist/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    Just a thought, but they may be able to argue this as a I Amendment violation, a somewhat related case involving an ordinance prohibiting, by misdemeanor, the burning of a "cross" was found to be unconstitutional in R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377 (1992); they could argue that the display of the barrier is an expression of their fear and concern pertaining to high crime area, poverty, etc. As well they can gain support from Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. (1981), being that the government owes no duty of protection to the public at all.

    Also this is cosmetic issue and regulating the matter is a blatant abuse of governmental authority, serving no other tangible purpose.
    Another basis for challenging the ordinance is the fact that Councilwoman Bass admitted she wants to get rid of these businesses. She admitted an ulterior motive to the bill as a backdoor attempt at prohibition of legal business because they sell - OMG - beer and cigarettes! As if shutting them down will mean Philadelphia will no longer have access to beer or cigarettes.
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    "this imbroglio looks a lot like a racist quest for vengeance against a commercially successful [Asian] minority group. …

    Despite strong opposition from Asian American beer deli owners and their supporters, Philadelphia City Council voted, 14-3, Thursday to approve a bill … that the merchants fear could jeopardize their safety and livelihood. Mayor Kenney's office said he would sign the bill.

    City Councilwoman Cindy Bass introduced the bill Nov. 2 as part of an effort to rid the city of what she has called illegal [huh?] stop-and-go outlets. … called for banning bullet-resistant windows in large [or rather small stop and go] food establishments. Beer deli owners were affected because state law requires them to have at least 30 seats. Many of the owners … saying removing the safety windows would expose them to being robbed, injured, or killed. But Bass called such windows … "an indignity."

    On Dec. 4, Council's Committee on Public Health and Human Services amended the bill, removing the mandatory window ban on large establishments, and instead instructing the Department of Licenses and Inspections to issue by Jan. 1, 2021, regulations for "the use or removal of any physical barrier" in places that serve food and alcohol. The amended bill was unanimously approved that day by the committee.

    This leaves the shopkeepers at the mercy of inspectors, who can decide on their own which protective barriers will not be permitted. …

    Mouy Chheng, the first to speak against, said her 19-year-old son was fatally shot by two armed robbers at the family's South Philly convenience store in 2003 when it did not have a bullet-resistant window.

    Peter Ly, a West Philly beer deli owner who made news after he was shot three times in December 2011 when he went to deposit money at a Cheltenham bank, told Council of another incident a decade ago when he was shot six times during a gunpoint robbery at a beer deli he then owned …

    The stated reasons for opposition to the protective devices are aesthetic – that they create an undesirable atmosphere – and ideological – that the "beer delis" put out harmful, addictive substances (beer!). …
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Snopes defended Cindy Bass and said the story was blown out of proportion by conservatives. Sure.


    "That’s when criticism of Bass and her bill took a hyperbolic and misleading turn on conservative web sites.

    The web site Steadfastandloyal.com, for instance, exclaimed that “bulletproof glass is now racist” in their title. However, in the body of the article, they admitted that the councilwoman never actually used those words."

    “Right now, the Plexiglas has to come down,” she said.

    She says she wants to put some controls on these small stores that, from her point of view, sell booze, very little food and are a source of trouble for her district.

    “We want to make sure that there isn’t this sort of indignity, in my opinion, to serving food through a Plexiglas only in certain neighborhoods,” Councilwoman Bass said.

    https://www.snopes.com/2017/12/12/ph...-glass-racist/
    Anyone with so much as two barely functional brain cells to rub together knows that snopes is a less-than-worthless site.

    " ...admitted that the councilwoman never actually used those words."

    Because one must use those precise words in order to convey that message. Because "tacit" exists nowhere in this universe.

    How embarrassing for them. How bottomlessly, red-faced embarrassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Anyone with so much as two barely functional brain cells to rub together knows that snopes is a less-than-worthless site.

    " ...admitted that the councilwoman never actually used those words."

    Because one must use those precise words in order to convey that message. Because "tacit" exists nowhere in this universe.

    How embarrassing for them. How bottomlessly, red-faced embarrassing.
    I totally agree. I was suspicious but I didn't realize how bad snopes was until I read this. Snopes entire explanation is idiotic. They attempt to make it sound like she's just trying to regulate some "bad" stores, as if the store owners are at fault. Then they use some misdirection and mention that the bill is trying to separate bad stores from restaurants. None of it explains why she would want to remove bulletproof glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Philadelphia City Council voted Thursday to remove bulletproof glass from the windows of some local businesses, despite a backlash from shop owners who cited safety concerns.
    The council voted 14-3 to approve legislation that could eventually force business owners to remove the protective glass outside their storefronts that some lawmakers believe operate as drug fronts and facilitate loitering and public urination, Fox 29 reported.
    The bill, which was passed by the city’s Public Health and Human Services Committee on Dec. 4, enables Philadelphia’s Department of Licenses and Inspections to regulate the bullet-resistant barricades that stand between customers and cash registers in many neighborhood corner stores.

    More at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/14...orefronts.html
    I hope the 14 that voted for this face murder 1rst degree charges when the first person gets killed. They won't because gubnut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    City Councilwoman Cindy Bass introduced the bill Nov. 2[/URL] as part of an effort to rid the city of what she has called illegal [huh?] stop-and-go outlets. … called for banning bullet-resistant windows in large [or rather small stop and go] food establishments. Beer deli owners were affected because state law requires them to have at least 30 seats.
    So instead of banning the stores she'll let some of the clerks get shot so that they'll close down on their own?

    I think what bothers me the most is that the bill passed 14-3. I can understand one incredibly stupid/evil person but not 14.

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