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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It's in the deed.
    So change the deed.

    Oh wait, for a moment there I forgot the truth of real estate. No one actually owns the property they "buy" and the deed of trust turns the property ownership over to the corporate government, acting as "trustee" (and thereby legal owner) of the property on behalf of the bankers. The HOA is a corporate subsidiary of the corporate government and acts as "manager" of the government's property.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    There's nothing in the HOA agreement that Rand signed which says that, if your neighbor thinks that you might have violated a HOA rule, he can jump you and break 5 ribs.
    Ya nobody is attacking Rand here, personally I like people who push the buttons of HOAs, they are way too unloose in the caboose. Now there is debate as to whether he even disobeyed any of the HOA rules, it seems he did not.

    We are just saying that HOA is a way that people who want to live in a neighborhood where all of their neighbors obey certain rules is preferable to zoning and can be compatible with property rights.

    I find it sad that HOAs are so popular, they seem to be most popular with people who are relatively affluent but also want to live in close quarters with others.

    But the benefit of HOAs, from a libertarian standpoint, is that you have all of those uptight people living together in the same neighborhood, as opposed to your neighborhood where they might want to harass you about your lawn or your compost heap or something. In turn, if somebody does harass you about those things on your property you could tell them to go move to an HOA.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    So change the deed.
    So just change the terms of the contract after you agreed to and consented to the terms of the contract?

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    So just change the terms of the contract after you agreed to and consented to the terms of the contract?
    No, screw with the real estate attorney and demand the deed contents covering the HOA covenants pledge be removed and explicitly denying that the buyer will follow the covenants prior to signing the deed but after signing the promissory note. Then watch the attorney burst a blood vessel.

    http://thelawdictionary.org/attorn/
    "In feudal law. To transfer or turn over to another. Where a lord aliened his seigniory, he might with the consent of the tenant, and in some cases without attorn or transfer the homage and service of the latter to the alienee or new lord. Bract, fols. 816, 82. In modern law. To consent to the transfer of a rent or reversion. A tenant is said to attorn when he agrees to become the tenant of the person to whom the reversion has been granted. See ATTORNMENT."

    An attorney's job is to take your $#@! and give it to the bankers without you realizing it.
    Last edited by devil21; 11-08-2017 at 08:38 PM.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    No, screw with the real estate attorney and demand the deed contents covering the HOA covenants pledge be removed and explicitly denying that the buyer will follow the covenants prior to signing the deed but after signing the promissory note. Then watch the attorney burst a blood vessel.
    Why would you sign a loan for a property whose title you haven't assumed? And why wouldn't you just buy a different parcel of land if you didn't care to join with the agreements amongst the locals who already live there?

    I wouldn't ever buy a property subject to an HOA, but I understand why some people would. Why not just leave them to their own little society? Or is spreading freedom somehow a lot like spreading democracy?

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Why would you sign a loan for a property whose title you haven't assumed?
    Once the note is signed the loan is funded and the property is paid for. You aren't assuming the title by signing the deed of trust. You're handing the property over to the government for something you just paid for with your signature and unwittingly agreeing to be a tenant forever.

    And why wouldn't you just buy a different parcel of land if you didn't care to join with the agreements amongst the locals who already live there?
    Why should I care what the locals have agreed to? Only I control what agreements I enter into. Are you a socialist angelatc?

    Why not just leave them to their own little society?
    Again, what they decide for themselves has nothing to do with my choices. You don't sound much like a supporter of individual liberty.

    Or is spreading freedom somehow a lot like spreading democracy?
    I don't even know what that question means.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I don't even know what that question means.
    I always told my leftist Zeitgeist buddy that if he wanted the Zeitgeist thing to become a reality, then he should support anarchy or a free voluntary society because as he was well aware governments will not give them the freedom to perform their little experiment.. but if we had a free society, they would be able to form their own Zeitgeist communities, build their own cities, do whatever they want in their area.. as long as people are free to leave.. and if whatever they did worked really well, then people would want to come in and join them, and that could happen in a free society.

    What Angela is saying is that just because you want to go live off on a rural plot and be left alone and just because you should absolutely be able to do so, that doesn't mean that other people can't organize their communities how they want as long as it is voluntary.

    The likely outcome would be that the more free communities if allowed to thrive would be the most successful and people would join them, as opposed to us free peeps going into the communities that chose to do things a little differently and force them to live on rural parcels to be left alone.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I call them dirty deeds.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What Angela is saying is that just because you want to go live off on a rural plot and be left alone and just because you should absolutely be able to do so, that doesn't mean that other people can't organize their communities how they want as long as it is voluntary.
    Who said anything about a rural plot? The whole point was that if I like a property and agree to labor to secure that property it is no one else's business what I do or don't do with the property, as long as I do not harm anyone else or their property. If someone doesn't like the color I paint the house that's their problem not mine. I don't exist to make them happy.

    The likely outcome would be that the more free communities if allowed to thrive would be the most successful and people would join them, as opposed to us free peeps going into the communities that chose to do things a little differently and force them to live on rural parcels to be left alone.
    Either we are talking about different scenarios or you're posting a giant strawman. No one suggested I'd force anyone to live on a rural parcel.
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  12. #40
    Only the poor are being forced to the rural areas. The rich now want to live in the city. They choose either expensive high rises with amenities, or they buy up the affordable homes and regentrify the area, turning it into an unaffordable area.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post

    Why should I care what the locals have agreed to? Only I control what agreements I enter into. Are you a socialist angelatc?.
    No but I support the rights of socialists to live in communes according to rules their community members voluntarily agree to. If you don't want to live there according to their rules, then don't sign the contract. Leave them alone.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Only the poor are being forced to the rural areas. The rich now want to live in the city. They choose either expensive high rises with amenities, or they buy up the affordable homes and regentrify the area, turning it into an unaffordable area.
    I think it is just the opposite. The poor are being forced into the cities.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    No but I support the rights of socialists to live in communes according to rules their community members voluntarily agree to. If you don't want to live there according to their rules, then don't sign the contract. Leave them alone.
    Or maybe it would expose the fraud to the rest of community when one house doesn't have to abide by the HOA while everyone else does.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Who said anything about a rural plot? The whole point was that if I like a property and agree to labor to secure that property it is no one else's business what I do or don't do with the property, as long as I do not harm anyone else or their property. If someone doesn't like the color I paint the house that's their problem not mine. I don't exist to make them happy.



    .
    The bigger point is that this hypothetical property you strongly covet isn't suited to you because it contractually comes with certain responsibilities. Signing the contract then trying to renege and force your ethics into their community is pretty aggressive, definitely not Libertarian.

    Freedom of association is in the constitution. These people, odd as they are, have a right to choose only to associate with people who trim their hedges into unnatural shapes and paint their exteriors beige.

    Leave other people alone.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Or maybe it would expose the fraud to the rest of community when one house doesn't have to abide by the HOA while everyone else does.
    In your scenario, you agreed to sign a contract then reneged on the deal. Therefore, you'd be the fraud.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The bigger point is that this hypothetical property you strongly covet isn't suited to you because it contractually comes with certain responsibilities. Signing the contract then trying to renege and force your ethics into their community is pretty aggressive, definitely not Libertarian.

    Freedom of association is in the constitution. These people, odd as they are, have a right to choose only to associate with people who trim their hedges into unnatural shapes and paint their exteriors beige.

    Leave other people alone.
    They only have that right it they jointly own the property, it is fundamentally wrong and impossible to "sell" me "ownership" of something but dictate what I and every person in the future who "owns" it will do with it.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They only have that right it they jointly own the property, it is fundamentally wrong and impossible to "sell" me "ownership" of something but dictate what I and every person in the future who "owns" it will do with it.
    Apparently you are not well versed in property law because that's simply not true.

    When you bought the property you knew the terms in the deed. When you sell the property, it will be to someone who knows the terms of the deed. This is actually the way communities should be organized - entirely voluntarily.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The bigger point is that this hypothetical property you strongly covet isn't suited to you because it contractually comes with certain responsibilities. Signing the contract then trying to renege and force your ethics into their community is pretty aggressive, definitely not Libertarian.
    I decide what is suited to me and what contracts to enter into. I never wrote anything about reneging on a contract. I wrote that the contract should be changed prior to signing it. Not sure why you and dannno both insist on ascribing statements to me that I never posted.

    Freedom of association is in the constitution. These people, odd as they are, have a right to choose only to associate with people who trim their hedges into unnatural shapes and paint their exteriors beige.

    Leave other people alone.
    Moving into a hive mentality neighborhood but not being part of the hive mentality is "bothering" others? Like I said, sounds like their problem, not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    In your scenario, you agreed to sign a contract then reneged on the deal. Therefore, you'd be the fraud.
    This discussion is becoming pretty funny. You just said I'd be a fraud because I agreed to sign a contract lol. Uh no, only the signature makes the contract. Keep going angela, this is entertaining. Maybe next you can tell us again about how awesome income taxes are.
    Last edited by devil21; 11-08-2017 at 09:57 PM.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Apparently you are not well versed in property law because that's simply not true.

    When you bought the property you knew the terms in the deed. When you sell the property, it will be to someone who knows the terms of the deed. This is actually the way communities should be organized - entirely voluntarily.
    One problem I do have with HOAs is that it seems like they would become extremely difficult to dissolve especially if you have a large number of owners, as I would imagine all of the property owners would have to agree to dissolve the HOA and not just a majority? Although I assume that can be decided by the HOA contract itself.. but it seems like they just grow and grow and a lot of people live in them semi-involuntarily (it happens to be the nicest place that is available that they can afford, but other properties without HOAs are not available).

    But hey, people signed up for it, so..
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Apparently you are not well versed in property law because that's simply not true.

    When you bought the property you knew the terms in the deed. When you sell the property, it will be to someone who knows the terms of the deed. This is actually the way communities should be organized - entirely voluntarily.
    I don't care how corrupt the property laws have become, it is not possible to sell something and still control it forever, even from the grave.

    If they want to control the property they can hold it jointly in some kind of club and sell memberships that come with privileges to use a piece of the property, but they couldn't ask for as much money that way so they claim to "sell" you the property, that is fraud.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't care how corrupt the property laws have become, it is not possible to sell something and still control it forever, even from the grave.
    You're talking about philosophy while I'm talking about law.
    If they want to control the property they can hold it jointly in some kind of club and sell memberships
    They usually call those fees HOA dues, not memberships, but ok...
    that come with privileges to use a piece of the property, but they couldn't ask for as much money that way so they claim to "sell" you the property, that is fraud.
    It's not fraud unless it's intentionally misrepresented. People buy the property with deed restrictions. When they sell, the deed passes to the next owner, restrictions intact.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I think it is just the opposite. The poor are being forced into the cities.
    That used to be how it worked, until Obama fundamentally changed many areas. He put in place programs to move the poor from urban areas in rural areas, with incentives for corrupt local leaders. The urban areas they left could then be gentrified, while the rural or suburban destinations were destroyed by crime.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    No but I support the rights of socialists to live in communes according to rules their community members voluntarily agree to. If you don't want to live there according to their rules, then don't sign the contract. Leave them alone.
    Yup, this.

    Not only that, it makes it easy to identify, so as to avoid.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That used to be how it worked, until Obama fundamentally changed many areas. He put in place programs to move the poor from urban areas in rural areas, with incentives for corrupt local leaders. The urban areas they left could then be gentrified, while the rural or suburban destinations were destroyed by crime.
    No, she's right, overall and long term trends show rural populations decreasing and urban populations increasing.

    Of course, the patterns of "gentrification" (a term I hate to begin with, as if somehow a neighborhood is better if crime infested, graffiti tagged and littered with stripped cars) exist, but I think a close look at the shifts would indicate that it was just a poor population being shifted from one urban area to another, maybe slightly less, urban area.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya nobody is attacking Rand here, personally I like people who push the buttons of HOAs, they are way too unloose in the caboose. Now there is debate as to whether he even disobeyed any of the HOA rules, it seems he did not.

    We are just saying that HOA is a way that people who want to live in a neighborhood where all of their neighbors obey certain rules is preferable to zoning and can be compatible with property rights.

    I find it sad that HOAs are so popular, they seem to be most popular with people who are relatively affluent but also want to live in close quarters with others.

    But the benefit of HOAs, from a libertarian standpoint, is that you have all of those uptight people living together in the same neighborhood, as opposed to your neighborhood where they might want to harass you about your lawn or your compost heap or something. In turn, if somebody does harass you about those things on your property you could tell them to go move to an HOA.
    I think you are mistaken if you think that HOA replaces zoning. I would think any zoning ordinances also apply to people living in HOA areas. HOA is in addition to zoning regulations.

  30. #56
    @angelatc is correct. If something is in the deed then you must abide by it. The covenants of the deed pass with it.

    As an example I will offer "right of way" in deeded contracts. If a road goes through my property to a neighbors, and has been deeded as a "right of way" for their ingress and egress I cannot simply decide that they may not use the road because it is muh property. Exercise due diligence when regarding a contract.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I think it is just the opposite. The poor are being forced into the cities.
    We have the opposite probelm. We still have urban housing projects, but affordable housing is being built nowhere. Wealthy urban liberals have all but taken over downtown in the ccondos. Urban affordable housing is also being purchased and thise areas regentrified. There is nowhere for poor people to go-- especially if they hope to own a tiny bit of land.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We have the opposite probelm. We still have urban housing projects, but affordable housing is being built nowhere. Wealthy urban liberals have all but taken over downtown in the ccondos. Urban affordable housing is also being purchased and thise areas regentrified. There is nowhere for poor people to go-- especially if they hope to own a tiny bit of land.
    Here in Maine, the poor live in crappy little towns out in the middle of nowhere. The rich out of state people have bought up large portions of the larger towns along the coast. Some are practically abandoned in the winter.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Apparently you are not well versed in property law because that's simply not true.

    When you bought the property you knew the terms in the deed. When you sell the property, it will be to someone who knows the terms of the deed. This is actually the way communities should be organized - entirely voluntarily.
    Of course, the deed restrictions are only as effective as the enforcement (ie court action). Municipal governments won't enforce deed restrictions so it will be up to the parties who are part of the covenant to enforce it by taking violators to court. Most people don't want to deal or pay for that, so they just end up relying on zoning restrictions and the whims of the local planning commission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't care how corrupt the property laws have become, it is not possible to sell something and still control it forever, even from the grave.
    Why not? The restriction is on the property before it's purchased. If the seller wants to remove the restriction, they need to get the other parties to agree. Otherwise, the covenant stays in place.
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Only the poor are being forced to the rural areas. The rich now want to live in the city. They choose either expensive high rises with amenities, or they buy up the affordable homes and regentrify the area, turning it into an unaffordable area.
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I think it is just the opposite. The poor are being forced into the cities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That used to be how it worked, until Obama fundamentally changed many areas. He put in place programs to move the poor from urban areas in rural areas, with incentives for corrupt local leaders. The urban areas they left could then be gentrified, while the rural or suburban destinations were destroyed by crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    No, she's right, overall and long term trends show rural populations decreasing and urban populations increasing.

    Of course, the patterns of "gentrification" (a term I hate to begin with, as if somehow a neighborhood is better if crime infested, graffiti tagged and littered with stripped cars) exist, but I think a close look at the shifts would indicate that it was just a poor population being shifted from one urban area to another, maybe slightly less, urban area.
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    We have the opposite probelm. We still have urban housing projects, but affordable housing is being built nowhere. Wealthy urban liberals have all but taken over downtown in the ccondos. Urban affordable housing is also being purchased and thise areas regentrified. There is nowhere for poor people to go-- especially if they hope to own a tiny bit of land.
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Here in Maine, the poor live in crappy little towns out in the middle of nowhere. The rich out of state people have bought up large portions of the larger towns along the coast. Some are practically abandoned in the winter.

    I guess that this flew under the radar such that no one realized it until it happened to their suburban or rural area (too late in most cases). Very likely that this contributed to the Trump victory.

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    https://www.westernjournalism.com/ob...-neighborhood/
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