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  1. #121
    Trump: Texas Massacre A "Mental Health" Problem, Not A "Guns Situation"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-06/trump-texas-massacre-mental-health-problem-not-guns-situation
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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A Zippy ban is logical, moral, and even libertarian.
    Zippys do not have an automatic right to come here.

  4. #123
    A lone gunman's gruesome assault on a rural church here that killed 26 people appears to have stemmed from a domestic dispute and is not being investigated as terrorism, authorities said Monday.

    The Texas Department of Public Safety on Monday identified the shooter as Devin Kelley, 26, of New Braunfels. DPS official Freeman Martin said Kelley's in-laws had previously attended services at the First Baptist Church but were not there during the deadly rampage on Sunday.

    Martin said Kelley had sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law.

    "We can tell you that there was a domestic situation going on within this family," Martin said. "This was not racially motivated; it wasn't over religious beliefs."

    ....
    http://www.11alive.com/article/news/...source=twitter
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  5. #124
    Yeah , I figured something personal . So , wife & Mother in Law ?

  6. #125
    I haven't heard anything about the wife and child in all this. It's a little surprising (and a small ray of light in this) that he didn't take care of them first.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Anybody notice how all of the characters in this story have double letter names?
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Not a kop one involved in stopping the nutjob...

  9. #128
    Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons

    day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

    Under federal law, the conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and toddler stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he acquired in the last four years.

    “The Air Force has launched a review of how the service handled the criminal records of former Airman Devin P. Kelley following his 2012 domestic violence conviction,” the Air Force said in a statement.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/u...ng-church.html



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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  12. #130
    Youngest victim was 2 years old.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

  13. #131
    More strange things are happening lately if following is real news:

    Arega has been regularly updating his Facebook page in the 24 hours prior to his arrest. He reposted a conservative news post showing Donald Trump’s reaction to the Sutherland Springs shooting. Above the status update, Arega wrote, “Kill him in Jesus name!!” However, just a week earlier, Arega posted a video from Trump’s propaganda-style White House news service. In the caption, Arega wrote, “True and real news. May God bless our President Donald Trump.”


    https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/micha...-white-police/

  14. #132
    If you find any liberals trying to politicize this incident for gun control remind them of two things:

    1) The laws were in place to keep him from lawfully obtaining firearms. It was a government functionary that did not follow through on the paperwork that would have prohibited him from lawfully obtaining a firearm.

    2) It was a law abiding gun owner that put an end to his rampage. A law abiding gun owner that was thankful for having an AR-15 because the murderer was using body armor and, in his own words, “If I had run out of the house with a pistol and faced a bulletproof vest and kevlar and helmets, it might have been futile."

  15. #133
    Trump Defends Gun Owners: "100s More Would Have Died In Texas Without It"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/trump-defends-gun-owners-100s-more-would-have-died-texas-without-it
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Zippys do not have an automatic right to come here.
    They're not sending their best, I'll tell you that. They are not sending their best. Their rapists. Their murderers. Their brain-damaged morons. And some of them are good people, I'm sure.

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    I haven't heard anything about the wife and child in all this. It's a little surprising (and a small ray of light in this) that he didn't take care of them first.
    How is that a ray of light?

    The wife chose him.

    The child is half him.

    His progeny survive to reproduce and continue to inflict murderous atheist rampages on us for unknown future generation upon generation, while many good people's do not.

    No, this is not a ray of light. Sorry. Not that I would want his kid killed, exactly. But the criminal's genes' survival is no cause for celebration.
    Last edited by helmuth_hubener; 11-07-2017 at 03:18 PM.

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    How is that a ray of light?

    The wife chose him.

    The child is half him.

    His progeny survive to reproduce and continue to inflict murderous atheist rampages on us for unknown future generation upon generation, while many good people's do not.

    No, this is not a ray of light. Sorry. Not that I would want his kid killed, exactly. But the criminal's gene's survival is no cause for celebration.
    THEY, certainly, might not be sending their best. Which might explain why you are here.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    How is that a ray of light?

    The wife chose him.

    The child is half him.

    His progeny survive to reproduce and continue to inflict murderous atheist rampages on us for unknown future generation upon generation, while many good people's do not.

    No, this is not a ray of light. Sorry. Not that I would want his kid killed, exactly. But the criminal's gene's survival is no cause for celebration.
    That's one sick mofo statement about innocents who had NOTHING to do with this disaster.
    There is no spoon.

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    The mentally ill usually steal for whatever strange causes they support .
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It was a Texan.
    the gunman was a white man
    Stop it, guys. We cannot say anything negative about any groups, ever. Nor about any individuals nor about any actions in connection with any groups that the individuals or actions are associated with. Please abide by the rules.

    Thanks.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    That's one sick mofo statement about innocents who had NOTHING to do with this disaster.
    It is actually the only sane and healthy position to want for murderers to not successfully reproduce. It is, in fact, the only position that anyone ever had, at least in Europe, for thousands of years. They would never have even considered that anyone could actually have an alternative crazy position. That's why they, like, killed them, Ender. Hung them by their necks in the public square.

    They didn't want murderers around, and they sure didn't want to risk them having kids.

    These things are genetic. Most everything is genetic. Unfair, but true!

    You don't let murderers reproduce!

    That doesn't mean you kill their already-unfortunately-existing kids after the fact. But it does mean that if they choose to kill two fewer random normal people (who are almost certainly not at genetic risk of being murderers) and instead kill two of their own family members, that would not be something to lament; that would be, all in all, probably a better outcome.

  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    It is actually the only sane and healthy position to want for murderers to not successfully reproduce. It is, in fact, the only position that anyone ever had, at least in Europe, for thousands of years. They would never have even considered that anyone could actually have an alternative crazy position. That's why they, like, killed them, Ender. Hung them by their necks in the public square.

    They didn't want murderers around, and they sure didn't want to risk them having kids.

    These things are genetic. Most everything is genetic. Unfair, but true!

    You don't let murderers reproduce!

    That doesn't mean you kill their already-unfortunately-existing kids after the fact. But it does mean that if they choose to kill two fewer random normal people (who are almost certainly not at genetic risk of being murderers) and instead kill two of their own family members, that would not be something to lament; that would be, all in all, probably a better outcome.
    Well, he reproduced before he was a murderer, and now he is dead, so..........

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    Hung them by their necks in the public square.
    And cheered.

    It's coming back, Ender. The K-shift is on its way. There's gonna be a lot of hanging. How you like them apples?

    Tasty!

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    And cheered.

    It's coming back, Ender. The K-shift is on its way. There's gonna be a lot of hanging. How you like them apples?

    Tasty!
    There is no spoon.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Well, he reproduced before he was a murderer, and now he is dead, so..........
    So there's not much we can do. Exactly. But if he had chosen to take out his own family, well, good riddance. One less risk for the rest of us, and he clearly proved himself unworthy to populate the future. He doesn't deserve a legacy. He doesn't deserve a progeny. I'm sure you'd agree.

    And, very importantly, the time taken to murder his own kid would have given him that much less time to murder anyone else.

    It's cold, but the case is air-tight.

  27. #144
    Interview with the guy who shot the gunman. Didn't see if this had been posted yet.

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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  29. #145
    From Ender:

    I refute you thus:

    [Video of some trash monkey-noise rap "song" by a shrieking communist "band"]


    So, umm, if anyone tries to hang you, you will throw bananas at them? Got it.

    Q.E. and D. I will consider myself refuted.

    Soundly.

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Interview with the guy who shot the gunman. Didn't see if this had been posted yet.

    He doesn't consider himself a hero. How poignantly different is that to those in "law-enforcement?" I tend to disagree with him. God Bless.

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    So there's not much we can do. Exactly. But if he had chosen to take out his own family, well, good riddance. One less risk for the rest of us, and he clearly proved himself unworthy to populate the future. He doesn't deserve a legacy. He doesn't deserve a progeny. I'm sure you'd agree.

    And, very importantly, the time taken to murder his own kid would have given him that much less time to murder anyone else.

    It's cold, but the case is air-tight.
    Oh, my goodness. You are sure I would agree? Well, I don't. And if you are wrong in this instance you might want to reconsider some of your other positions. Your whole diatribe is based in non-sense and serves no other purpose but to antagonize and divide.

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
    From Ender:

    I refute you thus:

    [Video of some trash monkey-noise rap "song" by a shrieking communist "band"]


    So, umm, if anyone tries to hang you, you will throw bananas at them? Got it.

    Q.E. and D. I will consider myself refuted.

    Soundly.
    Right- killing a relative of someone who did a wrong is sooooo Christian. We'd probably all be dead if that was a law.

    WAKE UP


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  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Oh, my goodness. You are sure I would agree? Well, I don't.
    On that point, specifically (which is all I thought you agreed with)?

    You believe that this person, who dishonorably killed a bunch of folks in their church, deserves a legacy and deserves a progeny?

    Your whole diatribe is based in nonsense
    ORLY? I thought it was based on a post by undergroundrr about what a wonderful ray of sunshine it is that he killed two random people instead of his own wife and kid. Like, somehow it would be worse if he killed them?

    and serves no other purpose but to antagonize and divide.
    Serves to make a pretty pointed point about how I feel about murderers. Serves as well as to show, perhaps, how some other people feel about them.

    That could be pretty useful, when deciding who in your "movement" to trust. Don'tcha think?

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Right- killing a relative of someone who did a wrong is sooooo Christian. We'd probably all be dead if that was a law.
    Lol, Ok CNN

    HH never said that, and neither did Donald Trump.
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