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Thread: Trump WH attacks Bush, Iraq war “one of greatest foreign policy mistakes in American history"

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    Trump WH attacks Bush, Iraq war “one of greatest foreign policy mistakes in American history"

    Though this is pretty tiny "civil war" in GOP compared to full blown civil war going on in Dems, these are interesting fireworks that might help democratic transparency in the long run:


    White House attacks legacies of both Bush presidents after reports that they refused to vote for Trump

    By Avi Selk November 4

    “If one Presidential candidate can disassemble a political party, it speaks volumes about how strong a legacy its past two presidents really had,” the White House wrote to CNN. It called the younger Bush's decision to wage war on Iraq “one of the greatest foreign policy mistakes in American history.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...d-for-clinton/




    Semi-related

    Is the ongoing Surge of Police State in America a Surge of Karma?

    Ongoing Surge of Police State in America has any relation to 80% of Americans supporting invasion of Iraq based on lies and then electing another dubious politician who surged war policies that resulted in surge of civilian deaths/raids on homes of people occupied with funding from American taxpayers?



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    Please drag George W. back into the spotlight


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    It wasn't a mistake. It was an establishment success. They busted the country up into several impotent pieces, stole the oil, built permanent military bases, secured the dollar against competing currencies, and enriched their cronies in the MIC. All on the dime of the U.S. taxpayers. I LOL every time I hear that the Iraq intrusion was a "mistake" or a "disaster."

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    It wasn't a mistake. It was an establishment success. They busted the country up into several impotent pieces, stole the oil, built permanent military bases, secured the dollar against competing currencies, and enriched their cronies in the MIC. All on the dime of the U.S. taxpayers. I LOL every time I hear that the Iraq intrusion was a "mistake" or a "disaster."

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, he had Presidential class and knew how to conduct himself according to the dignity of the highest office of the land.
    Even respected democrat Chuck Schumer admired Bush's class few days ago in a House speech.
    Most definitely, also certainly a great erudite:


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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, he had Presidential class and knew how to conduct himself according to the dignity of the highest office of the land.
    Even respected democrat Chuck Schumer admired Bush's class few days ago in a House speech.
    Yes, he had empathy for the hard working people trying to put food on their families. Three jobs? "Uniquely American!" Slaughtering millions for his CFR overlords? Very classy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, he had Presidential class and knew how to conduct himself according to the dignity of the highest office of the land.
    Even respected democrat Chuck Schumer admired Bush's class few days ago in a House speech.
    I don't think it's classy to kill millions of people. I also don't respect Chuck Schumer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I don't think it's classy to kill millions of people.
    But it is very "Presidential" over the last several decades, in lieu of congressional approvals for conflicts..

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...criminals.html
    Last edited by anaconda; 11-05-2017 at 06:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    But it is very "Presidential" over the last several decades, in lieu of congressional approvals for conflicts..

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...criminals.html
    Bush couldn't string 2 words together coherently- BUT his one class act was dodging that shoe.

    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    Please drag George W. back into the spotlight

    Is that Zane Lamprey??
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    How about that TV character?

    Boy. he's, well, he says what people want to hear on any particular day.

    Wow, MAGA, super and terrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I don't think it's classy to kill millions of people. I also don't respect Chuck Schumer.
    You Southrons still haven't figered out sarcasm...Oo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You Southrons still haven't figered out sarcasm...Oo..
    I would - rep you for that but you don't have permission to view it, anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I would - rep you for that but you don't have permission to view it, anyway.
    That's fortuitous, your time would be better spent frying up some impossibly greasy Southern dish to clog Mr. A's arteries than trying to figer out how to - rep muaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    That's fortuitous, your time would be better spent frying up some impossibly greasy Southern dish to clog Mr. A's arteries than trying to figer out how to - rep muaw.
    Mr A's veins are safe for now, I'm outta Crisco.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Mr A's veins are safe for now, I'm outta Crisco.
    I think I'll let that statement speak for itself.

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    Thank you WH. Now how about bringing all our troops home from the middle east. Please?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's a balance between appeasing his supporters, appeasing the deep state and reaching his own goals.
    ~Resident Badgiraffe




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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I think I'll let that statement speak for itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Our debt is the size it is because of the War on Terror... Clinton balanced his budgets.
    It is not domestic spending that sank us all into this big hole, it is our reaction to 911.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    It wasn't a mistake. It was an establishment success. They busted the country up into several impotent pieces, stole the oil, built permanent military bases, secured the dollar against competing currencies, and enriched their cronies in the MIC. All on the dime of the U.S. taxpayers. I LOL every time I hear that the Iraq intrusion was a "mistake" or a "disaster."

    Same. I remember people saying the war wasn't over oil because the price of oil was still expensive after the war. LOL. Obviously Iraq was largely for oil - if Saddam cut off our oil supply or did something crazy it'd send us spiraling into a geopolitical crisis. Now we have a vassal "democratic" puppet state that won't rock the boat for us in the near future. Suce$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Identity View Post
    Same. I remember people saying the war wasn't over oil because the price of oil was still expensive after the war. LOL. Obviously Iraq was largely for oil - if Saddam cut off our oil supply or did something crazy it'd send us spiraling into a geopolitical crisis. Now we have a vassal "democratic" puppet state that won't rock the boat for us in the near future. Suce$$.
    But the boat rocked, sort of, at home as a direct result of that "succe$$".






    At the same time many believers for long time consumed the Iraq war as a revenge attack.. not sure if anyone sincerely believed that it was about spreading our freedom values in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    But the boat rocked, sort of, at home as a direct result of that "succe$$".
    I don't think the boat was rocked at all. The CFR was probably doing cartwheels at the idea of making socialism cool again, without having to change policy one iota. The two party charade was basking in all its glory in 2008. What a win to put a seamless puppet in to relieve Bush and have the American public think they had actually made a difference. Americans must certainly be the dumbest herd of creatures on the planet.
    Last edited by anaconda; 11-10-2017 at 04:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Our debt is the size it is because of the War on Terror... Clinton balanced his budgets.
    It is not domestic spending that sank us all into this big hole, it is our reaction to 911.
    Clinton didn’t really balance his budgets, he just funged some cash into the General Fund from the Social Security Trust Fund to make it look like they balanced.



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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    I don't think the boat was rocked at all.
    In the policy sense that is true, but symbolically and perhaps to an extent psycholgically for vast majority of Iraqi Freedom war supporters to see son of an African muslim man becomse US President just a few years afeter that war's "mission accomplishment was somewhat rocking event.



    The CFR was probably doing cartwheels at the idea of making socialism cool again, without having to change policy one iota. The two party charade was basking in all its glory in 2008. What a win to put a seamless puppet in to relieve Bush and have the American public think they had actually made a difference.
    Hard to disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Our debt is the size it is because of the War on Terror... Clinton balanced his budgets.
    It is not domestic spending that sank us all into this big hole, it is our reaction to 911.
    Two Bush wars in Afghanistan and Iraq plus tax cuts sent the deficit soaring. From zero a year deficit to almost $1 trillion a year by the time he left office. Made Murika Great again!

    The first Iraq war was over quickly and the allies paid for all of our costs so Bush Jr assumed his war would also be quick, easy and cheap. Still going and going.....
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-12-2017 at 02:24 PM.



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