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Thread: Rand Paul assaulted at Kentucky home (UPDATE: 6 broken ribs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    "When I spoke with Boucher's ex-wife, she batted away a number of theories, including the idea that the dispute related to Paul's office. "It's not politics. It's not money. It's not women or sex or infidelity," she said. "So pick what it is.""

    https://www.gq.com/story/inside-rand-pauls-neighborhood-fight

    That seems pretty unlikely given that the kids lived with Boucher's ex-wife and she would be in the best position to know.

    It is most likely the guy has some sort mental problem and is frustrated with his life and snapped.
    She doesn't say what it is but says what it isn't politics/money? She immediately says its not about money when supposedly the guy is mad because he can't sell his house? Either she is alluding that he was coerced into doing it or she wanted everyone to speculate and she is part of the fake news.



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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    This is my first post, but what is Rand Paul's reasoning for not explaining exactly what happened after this attack? What does he got to hide? He was supposedly the one that was the victim and it clearly appears that this is the case with the injury he sustained. Just tell us what the neighbor said. They must have had some sort of conversation laying in the grass. These are two old men rolling down a hill together! Does he run him off after he is laying there with his ribs broken or does the neighbor just hit him and take off? The whole situation is just weird and Rand Paul keeps it going without fully explaining.
    First of all, you’re going along with the idea that this has anything to do with trees, leaves or landscaping. Rand has repeatedly stated that this is false. This has been supported by all his other neighbors, as well as the fact that there has never been any complaint to the home owners association regarding the Pauls. Boucher’s attempt at excusing his bad behavior - after the fact - is irrelevant.

    The only people who have pushed this landscaping theory are the lawyer of the guilty man and an old biddy named Jim Skaggs. Note that Jim Skaggs is a former chairman of that county’s Republican party. Considering the many anti-libertarian, anti-Rand claims Skaggs has made throughout his tale - it’s pretty obvious that he and Rand hold opposing political views, despite Skaggs’ considering himself a Republican.

    Further, Rand and his trees were there before Boucher moved in. No reason for Rand to change anything.

    It seems pretty plain to me, that we will see a hearing or trial sometime in the future, so it would be foolish for Rand to publicly state his personal view of how or why the attack occurred. There are a number of ways it could be used to benefit the attacker - starting with unfairly swaying public opinion towards him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    We already know what the neighbor said. He told Rand the trees are lowering his property value and he is trying sell his house. That's what Rand's close friend and neighbor who was first to the scene said.

    My initial thought is Rand was advised not to speak about the case. The defense made up a different story about grass clippings and lawn height which would contradict what the guy told Rand. It is very strange that it has been a month and no federal or state charges have been filed. He fed Fox News the story about the US Attorney telling him to expect to two more charges that would carry 5-10 years each. He has also been pushing the idea this wasn't a lawn dispute. Rand has been very evasive. If these are the only charges it makes Rand look pretty bad.

    It looks like the next court date is December 19th. I would think there would be some clarification by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristianAnarchist View Post
    There's really no reason for a victim to remain silent even with litigation. Their story (assuming it's true) cannot hurt the litigation if it does not change.

    I suspect there's another reason the neighbor was so angry and Rand is not interested in that reason getting out. Sex may be involved (Rand is a human, just like the rest of us and I love him to death). Sex with who I don't know. Maybe it's not even Rand but one of his sons. I really don't know and of course it's all speculation but really, why the silence??
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    Anti-GOP sentiment to the point of a hatred-motivated crime against a public servant / United States Senator (?)

    The baseball practice Capitol police shooting demonstrated that the anti-GOP crowd is getting encouraged to bizarro actions.
    Since the attack involves a US Senator as a victim without a security force present, and there is a hate motive possibility -
    this really might be federal to some prosecutors.

    If this was a situation where Capitol Police had been around, what would they have to do to defend the Senator . . .
    fire on the potential assailant as he's running toward Rand or sometin' (?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    This is my first post, but what is Rand Paul's reasoning for not explaining exactly what happened after this attack? What does he got to hide? He was supposedly the one that was the victim and it clearly appears that this is the case with the injury he sustained. Just tell us what the neighbor said. They must have had some sort of conversation laying in the grass. These are two old men rolling down a hill together! Does he run him off after he is laying there with his ribs broken or does the neighbor just hit him and take off? The whole situation is just weird and Rand Paul keeps it going without fully explaining.
    Rand is obviously taking the high road. Not going into details makes him seem the bigger man and far above the situation. Talking about the drama, getting into details will make him seem petty and unwilling to let go. The less he talks about the details, the better for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    This is my first post, but what is Rand Paul's reasoning for not explaining exactly what happened after this attack? What does he got to hide? He was supposedly the one that was the victim and it clearly appears that this is the case with the injury he sustained. Just tell us what the neighbor said. They must have had some sort of conversation laying in the grass. These are two old men rolling down a hill together! Does he run him off after he is laying there with his ribs broken or does the neighbor just hit him and take off? The whole situation is just weird and Rand Paul keeps it going without fully explaining.
    They are heading to litigation. Watch the full interview just posted this morning by nikcers. The attacker did say something after the attack, it was apparently nothing to do with landscapping, and Rand called it "criminal."

    So with pending litigation, his attorney has obviously told him to say nothing about the attacker's motives to the press, as that will come out in discovery as they proceed to trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan2017 View Post
    Anti-GOP sentiment to the point of a hatred-motivated crime against a public servant / United States Senator (?)

    The baseball practice Capitol police shooting demonstrated that the anti-GOP crowd is getting encouraged to bizarro actions.
    Since the attack involves a US Senator as a victim without a security force present, and there is a hate motive possibility -
    this really might be federal to some prosecutors.

    If this was a situation where Capitol Police had been around, what would they have to do to defend the Senator . . .
    fire on the potential assailant as he's running toward Rand or sometin' (?)
    The solution is a government that doesn't violate the second amendment. You won't get leftists shooting at people who won't vote for gun control laws if gun control is something that the government can't do. The guy that attacked Rand Paul also needs to pay for his crime. If people think there is no rule of law then people will take the law into their own hands.

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    Default Possible reason charges have not been increased yet...

    Heard an interview on TV with Judge Napolitano, maybe 2 weeks ago. He said something like - now that the feds have stepped in to investigate, the state has to keep their hands off until the federal investigation is completed. (Iíve been unable to find online video of this particular interview.)

    This leads me to believe the federal investigation is still going on, and the state prosecutor is powerless to change the charges till the feds are done. Perhaps this is the norm under these circumstances? Maybe there's more going on with Boucher, than we think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Pretty sure Rand has been forthcoming about the situation. He's remarked about the incident in interviews. His wife, Kelly, wrote an op-ed. I really do not understand why anyone would want more. Rand is a pretty private individual. He absolutely hated doing the live-stream during the campaign. Rand only did a few interviews after the attempted murder at the baseball game. His public side is about his issues and the government. His private side is just that. Private. I really do not know what is so hard to understand about this.
    I don't think you can have it both ways, a private individual that happens to be in public life and also has multiple interviews and "talks" about the situation but never reveals the true problem? He is probably a total jerk neighbor and he knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    I don't think you can have it both ways, a private individual that happens to be in public life and also has multiple interviews and "talks" about the situation but never reveals the true problem? He is probably a total jerk neighbor and he knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Perhaps Rand is as clueless as we are as to why the guy assaulted him.

    It seems like good strategy to not make public statements about it lest you say something that the guy's lawyer/media will use as justification.

    People that want to think the worst of Rand seize upon little things like compost piles and trees like the trucker.
    Hey, if the guy just came on his property and caused him injury and that was all there was to it then I would be fine with him being silent. That doesn't seem to be the case. He alluded to the cause of the dispute but chose to say that no dispute give him the right to beat him which I agree with also, but let us be the judge! With all the sex scandals going around what if it was something completely outrageous that the next door neighbor was upset about? I don't want to speculate about something horrible but if it rose to that level he deserved every one of those broken ribs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    I don't want to speculate about something horrible but if it rose to that level he deserved every one of those broken ribs.
    I'm euphemia, and I don't mince words. There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs. Did you hear me? There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs. You are on a liberty forum, pal. Let me say this one more time: There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs.

    The second point: No motive was ever published. Dude doesn't have a wife. The only crime was commited by the stupid jerk neighbor.

    The third point: The neighbor never filed a complaint, never went to trial or arbitration, and never had a case. He is not judge or jury, and he does not ever get to mete out a penalty for any perceived wrong committed against him.

    Here is the summary:

    1. No crime in America has a penalty of lost teeth and broken ribs, so no, Rand did not deserve any of what he experienced.
    2. There was never a formal charge and no trial, so there is no crime here, except the assault by the idiot neighbor.
    3. The neighbor is not judge or jury.

    You are dead wrong and probably should rethink your comments here. Maybe you are the neighbor. If so, I hope you enjoy your penalty. There is no denying the injuries suffered here and that they happened on Dr. Paul's property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I'm euphemia, and I don't mince words. There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs. Did you hear me? There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs. You are on a liberty forum, pal. Let me say this one more time: There are no crimes in America for which the penalty is lost teeth and broken ribs.

    The second point: No motive was ever published. Dude doesn't have a wife. The only crime was commited by the stupid jerk neighbor.

    The third point: The neighbor never filed a complaint, never went to trial or arbitration, and never had a case. He is not judge or jury, and he does not ever get to mete out a penalty for any perceived wrong committed against him.

    Here is the summary:

    1. No crime in America has a penalty of lost teeth and broken ribs, so no, Rand did not deserve any of what he experienced.
    2. There was never a formal charge and no trial, so there is no crime here, except the assault by the idiot neighbor.
    3. The neighbor is not judge or jury.

    You are dead wrong and probably should rethink your comments here. Maybe you are the neighbor. If so, I hope you enjoy your penalty. There is no denying the injuries suffered here and that they happened on Dr. Paul's property.
    Not saying this happened but if I raped your daughter or wife and you found out a day later I shouldn't expect a beat down? I was saying he most likely didn't deserve it, but I can think of a few instances where he might. I think the law would side with the neighbor too in those situations. Do all neighbors handle their disputes with an attorney or judge? I have a pretty big lot myself and it has been less than a year since I talked with my neighbor about whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    I don't think you can have it both ways, a private individual that happens to be in public life and also has multiple interviews and "talks" about the situation but never reveals the true problem? He is probably a total jerk neighbor and he knows it.
    Keep trolling. Christ. You are not even good at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    Not saying this happened but if I raped your daughter or wife and you found out a day later I shouldn't expect a beat down? I was saying he most likely didn't deserve it, but I can think of a few instances where he might. I think the law would side with the neighbor too in those situations. Do all neighbors handle their disputes with an attorney or judge? I have a pretty big lot myself and it has been less than a year since I talked with my neighbor about whatever.
    Well, I've messaged for your ban. Hopefully a few others will to. And in another 2 or three days something will be done about you.
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    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

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    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    Not saying this happened but if I raped your daughter or wife and you found out a day later I shouldn't expect a beat down? I was saying he most likely didn't deserve it, but I can think of a few instances where he might. I think the law would side with the neighbor too in those situations. Do all neighbors handle their disputes with an attorney or judge? I have a pretty big lot myself and it has been less than a year since I talked with my neighbor about whatever.
    In the United States, there is never a crime for which the penalty is lost teeth and cracked ribs. Rand is not out of the woods yet, and if it comes to a worst case scenario, then it becomes murder. Rand is a sitting US Senator. It would not surprise me that he does not see all his neighbors.

    There is no justification for what the neighbor did. But maybe you are the neighbor. Come clean about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Keep trolling. Christ. You are not even good at it.

    Can't wait until I can say, "I told you so!" I've never liked Rand Paul as a politician, but never saw him get so defensive about something so trivial as he puts it. No reason to ban me. I just didn't see anyone with an opposing view. Guess I shouldn't argue with someone that has 38,000 posts on here because that would definitely make your correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    Can't wait until I can say, "I told you so!" I've never liked Rand Paul as a politician, but never saw him get so defensive about something so trivial as he puts it. No reason to ban me. I just didn't see anyone with an opposing view. Guess I shouldn't argue with someone that has 38,000 posts on here because that would definitely make your correct?
    It surely has led me to ferret dip$#@! trolls.
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    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

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    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

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    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckinusa View Post
    Not saying this happened but if I raped your daughter or wife and you found out a day later I shouldn't expect a beat down? I was saying he most likely didn't deserve it, but I can think of a few instances where he might. I think the law would side with the neighbor too in those situations. Do all neighbors handle their disputes with an attorney or judge? I have a pretty big lot myself and it has been less than a year since I talked with my neighbor about whatever.
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    And he's gone.

    POOF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    And he's gone.

    POOF!
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    I think the claim of lost teeth is fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    the $#@!faced media
    I'm saying that three times and keeping it.

    Epic description of the worthless media whores.

    Even better than "the government news organs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Well, I've messaged for your ban. Hopefully a few others will to. And in another 2 or three days something will be done about you.

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    Well, that didn't take long. *brushes hands off*
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    I think some posters here could learn a thing or two about what Rand said: "don't wish ill on your political opponents"

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