Neighbors said they heard the guy screaming that Mexicans are supposed to mow lawns next you are going to make your own tacos before pushing him off.Originally Posted by phill4paul
In this situation, maybe. It might not be. We'll find out soon. Given what Rand has Tweeted and what is known of the attacker, I would handicap this as being a better than 50% chance of being an act of terrorism and not just neighbor dispute that escalated.
The whole dispute about lawns is only coming from the guy's attorney and a few things from this Jim Skaggs, who has modified his views subsequently. The attorney has basically conceded everything that Rand has said and is really only focusing on the political aspect. His job is to get the best deal for his client. No prison time vs a possible 20 years is a big difference.
It is assault- not terrorism. Based on the injuries, it could be felony assault.
You don't know that and neither do I.
I think there is plenty of reason to believe given what is publicly known to believe it is terrorism.
If a white man attacking a black man can be construed as a "hate-crime" why can't a liberal attacking a libertarian be construed as a political crime?
Bombs on trains or planes- terrorism. Trying to kill as many people as possible- terrorism. Beating up one person- not terrorism.
Hate crime is also an abused term. Either it is a crime or it isn't.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorismterrorism
NOUN
mass noun
The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
The pussy liberal progressive asshat didn't like his politics. It's really as simple as that. But, no, I doubt anyone will have the balls to call it what it is.
If one of your Democrat or neo-cons were assaulted, you would be the first to scream to the rafters about this being terrorism and cite Russian collusion.
There should be no classification of hate crime. All crimes are hate crimes.
Here is what Wikipedia call terrorism
Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
There should absolutely be harsher penalties for crimes against public officials. They are much more exposed to danger so there has to be a strong deterrent for violence. Pablo Escobar killed and threatened numerous politicians. He kept people who would take him on out of office. The penalty for that should be much harsher than a crime against Joe Blow.
You don't want public officials fearing for their life because some nut job is going to assault them because he is voting against universal health care.
Agree.
Intersectionality says that crimes against libertarians are okay because most of them are cis-white men who are at the top of the oppressive patriarchy.
I thought this is interesting in that you can see a large amount of people accepting the doublespeak as reality and embracing the ambiguity. Who cares if we don't have proof Rand Paul got attacked by his neighbor because he deserved it.
Please cite a reference either legal or common use that supports your position.
Was this attack politically motivated? Turn it around. Would Boucher, with his known far left political beliefs, physically attack (supposed-slob) Bernie Sanders if he was his neighbor?
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Boucher would have donned a beret and ascot and asked to play chess with him.
Be patient. Zippy is working on a reply.
Can you provide an example of a case like Rand Paul's which was charged as terrorism?
Gabby Giffords shooting did not result in terrorism charges. http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/a...cc4c03286.html
The shooting at the Congressional baseball game was not charged with terrorism.Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in Saturday's mass shooting at a Tucson Safeway store, is formally facing five federal charges.
According to a complaint filed today by the U.S. District Attorney's Office, Loughner is charged with killing U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Roll and Gabriel Zimmerman, a staff member of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
He's also charged with attempting to murder Giffords and two other members of her staff, Pamela Simon and Ron Barber.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fb...rticle/2626616
These were more serious attacks on public figures and were said to be politically motivated.FBI: GOP baseball practice shooting not terrorism
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-12-2017 at 04:22 PM.
Should have been.
Yes.
Yes I do.
Even the good ones like Ron-n-Rand should fear for their lives as should all the patently evil ones.
Sucking the tax-tit should rightly be a dangerous profession.
The Gabbards case wasn't political. The guy had no political leanings. He had mental issues.
In the second case, the guy is dead. He would have been federally charged.
When was the last time a person violently injured a politician for political reasons and didn't end up dead?
The violence though is not coming from anti-tax people. The violence is coming from people who want more taxes. The violence is coming from people who want the government to use more violence. I want them punished to the max. If this guy's motives were political he should get a decade or more of being raped to tears every night.
Zippy, do you think that simple fact that the shooter is dead would have anything to do with the fact that he wasn't charged?
Evidently, we get the B Team Zippy on weekends.
So I'll take that as a no.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fb...rticle/2626616FBI: GOP baseball practice shooting not terrorism
"At this time, the FBI has assessed the shooter James Hodgkinson acted alone. We also assess that there was no connection to terrorism," Andrew Veil, assistant director in charge of the FBI field office, told reporters at a press conference in Washington Wednesday morning. "It was an assault on a member of Congress, assault on a federal officer."
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-12-2017 at 04:43 PM.
I cannot in good conscience call upon the kops-n-kourts for one cause and refute them for another.
Our legal system is broken beyond repair and honestly it's the politicians who broke it.
I'd much rather Rand beat the SOB with a club to within an inch of his life than to see him use the "Just-Us" system, using it only gives creedence.
If that isn't terrorism, then nothing is terrorism.
The top prosecutor in that jurisdiction in Virginia said it was terrorism. https://wtop.com/alexandria/2017/10/...-field-gunman/
If it(Rand's assault) is terrorism, then everything is terrorism.
No. That is not very bright.
The more things you want to call terrorism, the bigger the police state we need to monitor and deal with them. Are you willing to go in that direction?
"This person just criticizes a politician on the internet- potential terrorist threat! We must carefully monitor them and everybody they communicate with. Dig deeply into their background!"
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