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    Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Indicted on Money Laundering and Tax Charges

    Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Indicted on Money Laundering and Tax Charges


    WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort and his former business associate were indicted on Monday on money laundering, tax and foreign lobbying charges, a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over President Trump’s first year in office.

    Mr. Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, and his longtime associate Rick Gates, surrendered to the FBI on Monday. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million to buy properties and services.

    “Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on that income,” the indictment reads.

    Mr. Gates is accused of transferring more than $3 million from offshore accounts. The two are also charged with making false statements.

    “As part of the scheme, Manafort and Gates repeatedly provided false information to financial bookkeepers, tax accountants and legal counsel, among others,” the indictment read.

    ...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/u...-indicted.html

    If you go to Twitter you can see all the pages of the indictment.











    Last edited by Suzanimal; 10-30-2017 at 08:25 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Well , if I had millions stashed in a foreign country I would not be surrendering to the FBI for tax evasion .

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    LIVE UPDATES: Latest developments in Mueller investigation

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    10:20 am – There is more happening today in the Russia investigation. A former Trump foreign policy aide, George Papadopoulos has plead guilty to making false statements to the feds in the Russia investigation.



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    http://jamiedupree.blog.palmbeachpos...7/10/30/24216/
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Well , if I had millions stashed in a foreign country I would not be surrendering to the FBI for tax evasion .
    Danke would be flying me somewhere warm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Their crime was keeping their money.

    Another victory for freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Their crime was keeping their money.

    Another victory for freedom.
    I was hoping to see Hillary on the perp walk this morning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    If Trump wanted to, could he pardon them? Also, just because he does not pardon them now, could he pardon them at the end of his term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I was hoping to see Hillary on the perp walk this morning.
    Lol. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. They know too much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I was hoping to see Hillary on the perp walk this morning.
    Not yet. She is still circling the drain.

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    Yes, Bill has suffered long enough. He's learned to appreciate the cheaper hos in his twilight years. All of em got the claps, rich or poor, black or white, teeth or dentures, but down home lovin is still better than Hildabeast and big city blues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcgame View Post
    If Trump wanted to, could he pardon them? Also, just because he does not pardon them now, could he pardon them at the end of his term?
    I'm not completely sure. This is according to Newsweek...

    ...

    The Constitution allows the president broad powers to pardon people for “Offenses against the United States." There is no precedent for a sitting president pardoning people tied to his campaign, as will likely be the case for Mueller’s debut indictment.

    The Constitution contains no language barring such a pardon, but with the Trump administration, it probably wouldn’t pass without a fight.

    For example, the only limit in the Constitution is that presidents can’t issue pardons for offenses relating to their impeachment. If Mueller issues charges that could be tied to a potentially impeachment offense for Trump, Congress could swiftly enact impeachment proceeding — thus stripping Trump of his powers.

    Such an unprecedented pardon would also lead to inevitable legal battles, which could reach the Supreme Court, giving the justices final say on whether Trump’s pardons can stand.

    Beyond this, presidents only have the power to pardon federal offenses — but state offenses are out of their jurisdiction.

    Trump has no power to quash state charges, which can only be pardoned by state officials. So if a state attorney general takes up any of the federal charges from Mueller — for instance, charges related to Trump business practices in New York — Trump’s troubles would continue.

    Reports have circulated for months that Trump has been wondering about the reach of his pardoning powers, and even asked about the possibility of a self-pardon, which is also not barred by the Constitution.

    Trump has also been publicly boasting about his abilities to pardon. He wrote in a July tweet that “ all agree the U.S. President has the complete power to pardon,” showing a mistaken understanding of how far his powers can go.

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    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pardon...ictment-695780
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Trump's tweet raises new question marks:

    Protest the NSA! Send encrypted e-mails!
    My PGP Key
    PGP Fingerprint: 3A2E 6218 3722 3701 09C9 54CA 9BB3 104C 5049 B6B2

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    Trump's tweet raises new question marks:
    Trump creating outrage before turning things around - Manafort is connected to Podesta

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Trump creating outrage before turning things around - Manafort is connected to Podesta
    ...
    A thus-far-reliable source who used to be involved with Clinton allies John and Tony Podesta told Tucker Carlson that press reports appearing to implicate President Trump in Russian collusion are exaggerated.

    The source, who Carlson said he would not yet name, said he worked for the brothers' Podesta Group and was privy to some information from Robert Mueller's special investigation.

    While media reports describe former "Black, Manafort & Stone" principal Paul Manafort as Trump's main tie to the investigation, the source said it is Manafort's role as a liaison between Russia and the Podesta Group that is drawing the scrutiny.
    The "vehicle" Manafort worked for was what Carlson called a "sham" company with a headquarters listed in Belgium but whose contact information was linked to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital.

    Manafort was, at the time, representing Russian business and political interests during the Obama era.

    The source said the Podesta Group was in regular contact with Manafort while Hillary Clinton was America's chief diplomat.

    In 2013, the group hired away one of Clinton's deputies, David Adams, effectively establishing contact between the Washington firm and Clinton's office in Foggy Bottom, D.C.
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/10/2...r-russia-probe
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Papadopoulos lied to FBI agents “about the timing, extent and nature of his relationships and interactions with certain foreign nationals whom he understood to have close connections with senior Russian government officials,” according to the criminal complaint unsealed on Monday.

    The Washington Post reported in August that Papadopoulos had offered to set up meetings between Russian officials and top Trump campaign officials.

    Link to the indictment

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3630...ent#from_embed
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Wait a minute... George Papadopoulos?!!



    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Wait a minute... George Papadopoulos?!!



    ???
    Poor Webster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    False statements, wow. Who could have predicted that.

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    Good. Now when are all of the other indictments coming down for everyone else guilty of the same thing? And how is someone like Mueller who is implicated in crimes still acting as a special prosecutor?
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    The plot thickens....

    Brother of Clinton campaign chair steps down from lobbying firm amid reports of scrutiny from special counsel

    Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton's former campaign chairman, John Podesta, has resigned from his lobbying firm amid reports he is under scrutiny from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...l-counsel.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I was hoping to see Hillary on the perp walk this morning.
    this might be just a little something to provide cover for indicting Hillary next. To prevent the "witch hunt" accusations.

    If they nab a couple on the Trump side, they can avoid appearing to be partisan about it.

    just a theory.

    But then again, Mueller seems to be an enemy of the Trumpmeister, so who knows.
    Last edited by Jamesiv1; 10-30-2017 at 11:48 AM.
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    5. Don't commit adultery.
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    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    this might be just a little something to provide cover for indicting Hillary next. To prevent the "witch hunt" accusations.

    If they nab a couple on the Trump side, they can avoid appearing to be partisan about it.

    just a theory.

    But then again, Mueller seems to be an enemy of the Trumpmeister, so who know.

    It would be poetic if they arrested her tomorrow. It is her day, after all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milgram View Post
    False statements, wow. Who could have predicted that.
    Clinton was only guilty of lying to Congress in his impeachment.
    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'

    "Truth isn't truth"- Rudy Giuliani

    "China has total respect for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump's very, very large brain," - Donald Trump.

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    Clinton used a private server.

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    The cockroaches are scurrying...

    Tony Podesta stepping down from lobbying giant amid Mueller probe

    Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, founder of the Podesta Group, is stepping down from the firm that bears his name after coming under investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure.

    ...

    Podesta Group did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

    Podesta’s decision to leave the firm came on the same day that former Donald Trump campaign aides Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were indicted on multiple charges, including money laundering, operating as federal agents of the Ukrainian government, failing to disclose overseas bank accounts and making false statements to federal authorities. Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty earlier this month for lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials, according to court records.

    The investigation into Podesta and his firm grew out of investigators’ examination of Manafort’s finances. Manafort organized a PR campaign on behalf of a nonprofit called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. Podesta Group was one of several firms that were paid to do work on the PR campaign to promote Ukraine in the U.S.

    Podesta Group filed paperwork with the Justice Department in April stating that it had done work for the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine that also benefited the same Ukrainian political party that Manafort once advised. Podesta Group said at the time it believed its client was a European think tank untethered to a political party.

    ...
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...r-probe-244314
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    The cockroaches are scurrying...
    Podesta Group filed paperwork with the Justice Department in April stating that it had done work for the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine that also benefited the same Ukrainian political party that Manafort once advised.
    whoa.... interesting.

    Sounds like Podesta and Manafort were playing in the same sandbox.

    Manafort going to make a deal for turning state's evidence?
    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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    How much you want to bet the headlines will mention Trump more than Manafort.

    Damn, first article I found:


    Trump campaign adviser admitted to lying about Russian contacts


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.708e7b68ecfc

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    Live feed of Manafort hearing thingy:

    1. Don't lie.
    2. Don't cheat.
    3. Don't steal.
    4. Don't kill.
    5. Don't commit adultery.
    6. Don't covet what your neighbor has, especially his wife.
    7. Honor your father and mother.
    8. Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
    9. Don’t use your Higher Power's name in vain, or anyone else's.
    10. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

    "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." -- I Timothy 6:10, KJV

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