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    Neocons Hijack Trump’s Syria Policy



    written by ron paul monday october 30, 2017

    Does anyone in the Trump Administration have a clue about our Syria policy? In March, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appeared to be finally pulling back from President Obama’s disastrous “Assad must go” position that has done nothing but prolong the misery in Syria. At the time, Tillerson said, the "longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people."

    Those of us who believe in national sovereignty would say that is pointing out the obvious. Nevertheless it was a good sign that US involvement in Syria – illegal as it is – would no longer seek regime change but would stick to fighting ISIS.

    Then out of the blue this past week, Tillerson did another 180 degree policy turn, telling a UN audience in Geneva that, “[t]he reign of the Assad family is coming to an end. The only issue is how that should that be brought about.”

    The obvious question is why is it any of our business who runs Syria, but perhaps that’s too obvious. Washington’s interventionists have long believed that they have the unilateral right to determine who is allowed to head up foreign countries. Their track record in placing “our guy” in power overseas is abysmal, but that doesn’t seem to stop them. We were promised that getting rid of people like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi would light the fire of freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Instead it has produced nothing but death and misery – and spectacular profits for the weapons manufacturers who fund neocon think tanks.

    In Syria, Assad has been seen as a protector of Christians and other minorities against the onslaught of in many cases US-backed jihadists seeking his overthrow. While the Syrian system is obviously not a Switzerland-like democracy, unlike our great “ally” Saudi Arabia they do at least have elections contested by different political parties, and religious and other minorities are fully integrated into society.

    Why has the Trump Administration shifted back to “Assad must go”? One reason may be that, one-by-one, the neocons who opposed Trump most vociferously during the campaign have found themselves and their friends in positions of power in his Administration. The neocons are great at winning while losing.

    The real story behind Washington’s ongoing determination to overthrow the Syrian government is even more disturbing. In a bombshell interview last week, a former Qatari Prime Minister confessed that his country, along with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment Syrian unrest began in 2011. The well-connected Qatari former minister was trying to point out that his country was not alone in backing al-Qaeda and even ISIS in Syria. In the course of defending his country against terrorism charges leveled by Saudi Arabia he has spilled the beans about US involvement with the very groups claimed to be our arch-enemies. As they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the CIA supported radical Islamic terrorism in Syria.

    Haven’t we done enough damage in Syria? Do we really need to go back to 2011 and destroy the country all over again? The neocons never admit a mistake and never change course, but I do not believe that the majority of Americans support their hijacking of President Trump’s Syria policy. It is long past time for the US to leave Syria alone. No bases, no special forces, no CIA assassination teams, no manipulating their electoral system. We need to just come home.

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    RON PAUL!!!

    The real story behind Washington’s ongoing determination to overthrow the Syrian government is even more disturbing. In a bombshell interview last week, a former Qatari Prime Minister confessed that his country, along with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment Syrian unrest began in 2011. The well-connected Qatari former minister was trying to point out that his country was not alone in backing al-Qaeda and even ISIS in Syria. In the course of defending his country against terrorism charges leveled by Saudi Arabia he has spilled the beans about US involvement with the very groups claimed to be our arch-enemies. As they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the CIA supported radical Islamic terrorism in Syria.
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    In an interview with Qatari TV Wednesday, bin Jaber al-Thani revealed that his country, alongside Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment events "first started" (in 2011).

    Al-Thani even likened the covert operation to "hunting prey" - the prey being President Assad and his supporters - "prey" which he admits got away (as Assad is still in power; he used a Gulf Arabic dialect word, "al-sayda", which implies hunting animals or prey for sport). Though Thani denied credible allegations of support for ISIS, the former prime minister's words implied direct Gulf and US support for al-Qaeda in Syria (al-Nusra Front) from the earliest years of the war, and even said Qatar has "full documents" and records proving that the war was planned to effect regime change.

    According to Zero Hedge's translation, al-Thani said while acknowledging Gulf nations were arming jihadists in Syria with the approval and support of US and Turkey: "I don't want to go into details but we have full documents about us taking charge [in Syria]." He claimed that both Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah (who reigned until his death in 2015) and the United States placed Qatar in a lead role concerning covert operations to execute the proxy war.

    The former prime minister's comments, while very revealing, were intended as a defense and excuse of Qatar's support for terrorism, and as a critique of the US and Saudi Arabia for essentially leaving Qatar "holding the bag" in terms of the war against Assad. Al-Thani explained that Qatar continued its financing of armed insurgents in Syria while other countries eventually wound down large-scale support, which is why he lashed out at the US and the Saudis, who initially "were with us in the same trench."

    In a previous US television interview which was vastly underreported, al-Thani told Charlie Rose when asked about allegations of Qatar's support for terrorism that, "in Syria, everybody did mistakes, including your country." And said that when the war began in Syria, "all of use worked through two operation rooms: one in Jordan and one in Turkey."

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    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...ian-war?page=6
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    Didn't you iind if see this coming? Establishment Republicans hijack everything so they can keep on doing exactly what they want. Their goal is to keep themselves entrenched in power. They have a vested interest in have as big a government as possible because it creates problems that they say they can solve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Didn't you iind if see this coming?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
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    Why has the Trump Administration shifted back to “Assad must go”? One reason may be that, one-by-one, the neocons who opposed Trump most vociferously during the campaign have found themselves and their friends in positions of power in his Administration. The neocons are great at winning while losing.
    NeoConned!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Yes.

    Turkey might be next NATO feels threatened that the are buying the same type of missile that shot down an American unmanned plane (drone) over Iraq on 9/11 or buzzed the U2 a few months earlier in 2001.. yeah same type of missile brought down the u2 over Russia in 1960..

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    RPI:
    "In a bombshell interview last week, a former Qatari Prime Minister confessed that his country, along with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment Syrian unrest began in 2011. The well-connected Qatari former minister was trying to point out that his country was not alone in backing al-Qaeda and even ISIS in Syria. In the course of defending his country against terrorism charges leveled by Saudi Arabia he has spilled the beans about US involvement with the very groups claimed to be our arch-enemies. As they did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the CIA supported radical Islamic terrorism in Syria."


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    And here in this thread is the reason why it gets harder and harder to take Ron Paul seriously. The neocons did not hijack the Trump administration instead Trump hijacked the non intervention, anti war, anti establishment movement and the only people who do not know this are the gullible mugus who I don't think will ever get it.

    Sadly, Ron Paul is one of these mugus and I don't know why because he of all people should know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    And here in this thread is the reason why it gets harder and harder to take Ron Paul seriously. The neocons did not hijack the Trump administration instead Trump hijacked the non intervention, anti war, anti establishment movement and the only people who do not know this are the gullible mugus who I don't think will ever get it.

    Sadly, Ron Paul is one of these mugus and I don't know why because he of all people should know better.
    Seriously, jules. You don't think he gets it? SMDH...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Seriously, jules. You don't think he gets it? SMDH...
    Well, do you think that Ron Paul gets the very clear idea that Trump who minutes after getting elected reneged on his campaign promise to prosecute his former neocon friend Hillary, proceeded to celebrate his victory with neocon Rudy Guilliani, fill his cabinate with neocon after neocon whilst proclaiming his love for Israel was tricked by neocons or he was and has always been a neocon before and after the election?

    Sorry but when it comes to spotting this neocon, Ron doesn't get it or purposely playing stupid for some hidden reason. It like watching a little kid get impressed by the prestige of a very simple trick each and every time one does the trick, it sad seeing him get fooled this way. The man went through medical school, he should be smarter than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Well, do you think that Ron Paul gets the very clear idea that Trump who minutes after getting elected reneged on his campaign promise to prosecute his former neocon friend Hillary, proceeded to celebrate his victory with neocon Rudy Guilliani, fill his cabinate with neocon after neocon whilst proclaiming his love for Israel was tricked by neocons or he was and has always been a neocon before and after the election?

    Sorry but when it comes to spotting this neocon, Ron doesn't get it or purposely playing stupid for some hidden reason. It like watching a little kid get impressed by the prestige of a very simple trick each and every time one does the trick, it sad seeing him get fooled this way. The man went through medical school, he should be smarter than this.
    The title is misleading and I believe is sarcasm- RP has always known about Trump and warned about him from the get-go.

    Why has the Trump Administration shifted back to “Assad must go”? One reason may be that, one-by-one, the neocons who opposed Trump most vociferously during the campaign have found themselves and their friends in positions of power in his Administration. The neocons are great at winning while losing
    Ron's a nice guy and, IMHPOV, is pointing out the obvious w/o calling names.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The title is misleading and I believe is sarcasm- RP has always known about Trump and warned about him from the get-go.
    I know sarcasm can sometimes be hard to detect in writing but I am not exactly sure what part of the article gave it away. I actually believe Ron when he comes out surprised that Trump turned out to be a neocon. He is a genuinely good guy that he projects that goodness to people that don't deserve it. And he does this to the point where people use it to take advantage of him.

    Run a poll and you will find that more people reading the article will come off believing that he was genuinely surprised as opposed to him being sarcastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Ron's a nice guy and, IMHPOV, is pointing out the obvious w/o calling names.
    He is a nice guy alright and that I think was one of his flaws as a leader. He needed an edge about him and/or a killer instinct to be able to defeat his opponents and promote his values to the masses. And he was badly lacking in those 2 depts.
    Last edited by juleswin; 11-04-2017 at 06:56 PM.

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    Yes, it's terrible, Trump's anti-neocon foreign policy is being hijacked by the neocons that Trump appointed to office...



    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    And here in this thread is the reason why it gets harder and harder to take Ron Paul seriously. The neocons did not hijack the Trump administration instead Trump hijacked the non intervention, anti war, anti establishment movement and the only people who do not know this are the gullible mugus who I don't think will ever get it.

    Sadly, Ron Paul is one of these mugus and I don't know why because he of all people should know better.
    As you say in subsequent posts, Ron is tragically, certifiably good, and therefore rather naive.

    Articles of the sort of the OP are in effect cover for Trump's neocon agenda, though I'm 100% certain Ron didn't intend them as such.

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