Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Congress Can Stop War with North Korea

  1. #1

    Congress Can Stop War with North Korea

    ... & just when will they get the balls to do so?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10...h-north-korea/

    We live in a world where North Korea presents the possibility of retaliatory strikes on the US mainland and our Republican administration is throwing around wildly bellicose and recklessly threatening words that risk all of us having to pay the price of a nuclear exchange. It is time for congress to fulfill their constitutional responsibility (Article I, Section 8, Clause 11) to be the only body in the US that may start a war. Congress now allows the President an emergency exemption to take action if they are told about it in 48 hours and the President gets Congress’s approval in 60 days (War Powers Resolution 1973). That is plenty of time for a nuclear conflagration to start. Congress must adjust the War Powers Resolution exemption by saying that no military action can be taken against North Korea with out prior written authorization by Congress.
    North Korea has repeatedly made it clear that their nuclear arsenal is defensive. They have cited the lesson of Libya and Iraq where the US negotiated away their nuclear ambitions and then invaded them. Kim Jung Un in explaining their nuclear program said, “no nuclear nation has been invaded.”
    Those who are knowledgeable say there is not any feasible military option. One military action being floated would be a “surgical strike” to eliminate their nuclear capability before they could use it. People familiar with the area say a “surgical strike” will surely result in the annihilation of Seoul’s 10 million people and devastation in Japan and the rest of South Korea. And it will not eliminate North Korea’s nuclear capacity. Instead it will almost surely result in the firing of any nuclear weapons they have. This scenario ignores that both Russia and China (both nuclear nations) have a deep security interest in not letting North Korea fall. Another military action being floated would be a “decapitation strike” aimed at eliminating the leadership of North Korea so they could not launch a counter defensive attack. The resulting disaster will be the same as with a “surgical strike.”
    Can we live with a nuclear North Korea joining the other 8 nuclear nations? We have been living with nuclear enemies since 1949. In fact, we have lived most of that time with dozens to thousands of nuclear tipped weapons aimed at us 24/7. And we have been living with an internationally recognized nuclear North Korea since 2006.
    Some argue that dramatic military posturing will bring Kim Jung Un to heel. For three generations, North Korea has lived under continuing US military threat, from the invasion and attempted occupation by the US in 1953, including repeated sanctions, with 3 annual joint US/South Korea massive military actions which North Korea sees as practice for invading North Korea again, and now this Republican administration has announced the stationing of nuclear equipped aircraft carrier groups and nuclear equipped submarines to within striking distance of North Korea. These military actions are counter-productive. They drive North Korea into a threatened defensive posture. In this condition, a nation may misinterpret moves by other nations, they set all their armaments on hair triggers, they organize their defense on “fail-deadly” rather than “fail-safe” procedures all of which increase the chance of even an accidental war. More seriously it dissolves the fabric of a relationship necessary for negotiations.
    At another level, this military posturing by the US makes the Kim Jung Un government more stable and increases the public tolerance for massive military spending, neither of which we want.
    Can we work with the “quixotic irrational North Korean dictator?” Kim Jung Un has been absolutely consistent. He has made it clear he believes the US is planning to attack North Korea. He has consistently done what he can to protect from those attacks even at huge cost to the country. North Koreans have lived with deprivation and devastation for years for the good of the nation and there is no reason to think they will not continue to do so.
    The more threats, the more saber rattling, the more bellicose posturing the US does, the more North Korea will feel at danger, besieged, and under threat of attack. The more threatened they feel the more dangerous they become and the more likely we are to get sucked into a war unintentionally. Congress cannot stop what the White House says. But they can change the situation. If they use their Constitutional responsibility to say no military action maybe taken toward North Korea without their prior written consent it would send a clear message to the North Korean leaders that despite the bellicose words from the White House and aggressive posturing we are not poised to attack them. North Korea knows that a preemptive nuclear attack on the US would be suicide, that is not an option they are considering. If North Korea were to attack South Korea, which they aren’t, we would have plenty of time to respond, they know we already have our 3rd largest military deployment in South Korea and much much more near by.
    Call your Congressperson and Senator and ask them to act to limit the White House authorization to attack North Korea.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2
    Yes purely defensive... *fires rocket over Japan*....

  4. #3
    Left-leaning friends of mine mentioned this bill (introduced in January) to limit the President's powers....tee hee

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...9%22%5D%7D&r=6

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Yes purely defensive... *fires rocket over Japan*....
    They could have fired over Honshu, but they chose Hokkaido. Everybody else gets to test their rockets, some with a long history of invading and occupying overseas lands, so why not NK?

  6. #5
    Can we inject some reality into our foreign was crimes and stop referring to them as "wars"?

    They are one sided unilateral attacks and acts of aggression.

    The victim nations have virtually no means of self defense nor the ability to retaliate.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  7. #6

  8. #7

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    ... & just when will they get the balls to do so?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10...h-north-korea/
    Congress is a group of men who write things down. They can't stop anything without the support of other men. The only way to stop the wars is to END THE FED, Withdraw your "Money" from the Banks, Refuse to obey Legal Tender Laws, and Refuse to pay Sales/Capital Gains Taxes on all Minerals, Metals, & Commodities.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds" - Sam Adams



  10. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Yes purely defensive... *fires rocket over Japan*....
    What would the US do, if it was completely surrounded by a dangerous foreign enemy who had already destroyed our country?
    There is no spoon.

  12. #10
    The Korean War never really ended- we have been under a 50 year cease- fire. Would Congress negotiate a surrender agreement? Would that finally end the Korean War (sorry- not really a war- a UN "Police Action")

  13. #11
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



Similar Threads

  1. China tells its banks to stop doing business with North Korea
    By Swordsmyth in forum World News & Affairs
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-23-2017, 01:00 PM
  2. Replies: 31
    Last Post: 09-07-2017, 02:37 PM
  3. Replies: 24
    Last Post: 05-13-2014, 11:22 AM
  4. Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-18-2013, 08:06 AM
  5. Sanctions deepen North Korea-Iran bond, get South Korea in trouble
    By swissaustrian in forum World News & Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-16-2012, 07:42 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •