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    NFL HELL: Owners/TV networks face mounting losses as Trump called boycotts spread

    NFL HELL: Several Stadiums Nearly Empty As Anthem Protest Backlash Rolls Into Week 7 (PHOTOS)

    by Joshua Caplan

    Several NFL stadiums are nearly empty post kick-off as the National Anthem controversy rolls into week 7.

    Plenty of empty seats visible at the Hard Rock Stadium in Florida as the New York Jets play the Miami Dolphins.
    “Swaths of empty seats here post kickoff,” tweeted columnist Armando Salguero.
    The Cleveland Browns are playing at home against the Tennessee Titans. Plenty of empty seats to go around.
    More empty seats in Chicago as the Bears play the Carolina Panthers.

    Lucas Oil Stadium has “tons,” of empty seats during the Indiana Colts vs Jacksonville Jaguars.
    If the NFL thought Americans would ease the backlash against the league — they were sadly mistaken. Photos of empty stadiums from around the league show how dire a situation kneelers have spurred. Stadiums were nearly empty in Week 6, as well.
    Breitbart News reports:
    Note, that the Jets played New England on Sunday, meaning there should have been a big crowd for that game. The Texans, Atlanta, and Baltimore are also very relevant teams with relatively loyal fan bases. Yet, thousands upon thousands of fans no-showed or didn’t buy tickets for those games.
    Here’s a shot of the Jaguars stadium at kickoff:
    Photos of empty stadiums comes amid a slew of disastrous polls shows how far the NFL’s popularity has dropped.
    It’s common knowledge the left hates football and contact sports.

    They have targeted football for years.

    But now thanks to Roger Goodell their prayers are answered.

    The NFL managed to pi$$ off their core audience by nearly 40 points in the last three weeks.

    Nearly 60 percent of working class Trump supporters now view the NFL unfavorably.


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    When these teams have to fold and the left loses this vast wealth of taxes, they still won't get it.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Aren't most of those seats sold by the season?

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    MY POV:

    This is all bull$#@!.

    No one should have to pray to the state; the National Anthem should never have been made the opening of ANY game or public gathering- it is nothing but state worship.

    What’s Worth Standing For?

    By Butler Shaffer

    October 20, 2017

    In America you can say anything you want, as long as it doesn’t have any effect.

    – Paul Goodman

    The vacuity of serious thought in America is revealed in so many instances that it is difficult to put together a top-ten list of candidates. Among the fatuous contenders is that involving the question of whether NFL players should stand for the playing of the national anthem. Not since the 1988 presidential campaign, when George W. Bush focused on the sanctity of the Pledge of Allegiance to satisfy members of the boobeoisie to elect him president, has so much mental energy been spent on such a hollow topic.

    Patriotic rituals serve one purpose: to reinforce the conditioning begun in childhood with flag salutes and daily Pledges of Allegiance, reminding the citizens of a state that their lives are subservient to the collective interests of the established order. Where hundreds or thousands of individuals gather for an event of common interest – such as sporting events – the dynamics of mass psychology can be mobilized to remind those in attendance of the importance of commitments to matters that transcend the interests of their home team. Out come the flags accompanied by color-guards; a military band; and a singer to lead the crowd in the statist hymn: The Star-Spangled Banner.

    The refusal of athletes or fans to stand for this observance of state dominance, is a public challenge to the homogenization of obedience to constituted authority; an admission that some – if only a handful – may be stepping to A Libertarian Critique... Butler Shaffer Buy New $5.50 (as of 11:24 EDT - Details) the beat of a different drummer than the one in the Marine Corps band. The fear that not everyone is committed to group-thinking is what bothered Ron Paul’s critics when he was in Congress. His dissent cast in a 434-1 vote on a bill was certainly no threat to its enactment, but that it raised the specter of dissent challenged the political mantra e pluribus unum. The “One” that all collectivists insist upon cannot be maintained if some are able to get away with not playing the game.

    Statists have long exploited dead soldiers in the peddling of guilt on behalf of their ambitions for power. We are told we “should honor the sacrifice of those who fought and died to protect our freedom.” As often as I have heard this plea, I have yet to have anyone inform me of any liberty I enjoy by virtue of soldiers going to foreign countries, at risk to their own lives, to kill people! Of what is one “free” when fighting or killing others? Soldiers fight because they are ordered to do so, and the selection of the “enemy” is made by persons who have absolutely no interest in benefiting or protecting me.


    In a televised press conference, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell tried his best to resolve the contradictions that abound in all of politics. While stating that the NFL was “trying to stay out of politics” in this dispute, he failed to recognize that the national anthem is about nothing but politics. He acknowledged that the anthem is “an important part of our game.” How can this be? Does the home-team get six points added to their score if they out-sing the visiting fans? If this music is such an “important” part of the game, have you ever seen people at a football or baseball game leave the stadium once the anthem has been performed?

    If the national anthem is of such importance, why do we not perform it in everything we do? Is breakfast, or the start of our workday, or going to a grocery store, or undergoing root-canal work at the dentist’s, to be preceded by this tune? Do we refrain from extending such collective foolishness into our daily lives because the numbers of persons are not sufficient to convert individuals into fungible components of a mob?

    There is one very effective way for the NFL and other sectors of the entertainment world to end the squabbling over whether fans and players should stand for this song. As it has absolutely no bearing on the content or performance of the games people come to watch, stop playing it altogether. No more than people should be expected to sing “fight on for USC” when attending an opera, should they be expected to sing hymns to the state.

    Perhaps a little history will put the National Anthem in perspective. It is known by every school-child that Francis Scott Key was the author of the poem upon which the anthem is based. What is not so well-known is that Key was a lawyer who not only owned slaves, but defended the practice. Like Abraham Lincoln, Key represented slaveowners, and regarded slaves as “an inferior race of people.” He strongly opposed the abolition movement. As district attorney for Washington, D.C., he prosecuted abolitionists and enjoined the publication and distribution of abolitionist literature. The music to which Key’s poem was set, was taken from the song “Anacreon in Heaven,” an 18th century tune sung in a London gentlemen’s club. The song celebrated drinking and sex.

    Perhaps the NFL players are onto something!
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/...-standing-for/

    Maybe Mr. MAGA President should just keep his ugly mouth shut?
    There is no spoon.

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    Have not followed this closely and know just cursory details of these anthem kneeling events aimed to protest against racial discrimination/injustice/police brurtality. While back had watched a documentary that depicted some civil rights activists "taking a knee" in a different way by refusing to go to Vietnam to support freedom war there against communism. Anyone knows if current protests are limited to NFL anthems only or any equality activists have refused to go to freedom wars in Iraq, Niger, Syria etc as had happened in past decades protests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    MY POV:

    This is all bull$#@!.
    Say what you want. Free market forces at work.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    No kneeling today in Minnesota .
    Do something Danke



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    That's good to hear. Fans are definitely making their voices heard. Empty stands does not bode well for next season's sales. Merchandising is down, too.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    I stopped watching years ago. Bunch of criminals anyway. From murder to child abuse.

    https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
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    2 + 2 = 5.

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    For me, it's mostly about the NFL/ESPN/MSN pushing this bullshitt narrative that America is such a racist $#@!thole, just so god-awful that even Hell itself sends its sinners here for bad behavior.

    People get tired of hearing that nonsense over and over and over. It's why Trump won. It's why he'll win again if he wants to run, because the Left hasn't learned a thing since last year. They can keep crying about racism and white privilege. The wolf finally ate the crying boy. The rest of us have moved on.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-22-2017 at 06:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I stopped watching years ago. Bunch of criminals anyway. From murder to child abuse.

    https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
    This has come up in the comments on news articles. It is certainly a point to consider. People who quit watching because of the anthem controversy are now reflecting on whether the NFL represents their values at all. When PacMan Jones was here we practically had a whole precinct just to look after him.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Good.

    Stupid distraction in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I stopped watching years ago. Bunch of criminals anyway. From murder to child abuse.

    https://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    For me, it's mostly about the NFL/ESPN/MSN pushing this bullshitt narrative that America is such a racist $#@!thole, just so god-awful that even Hell itself sends its sinners here for bad behavior.

    People get tired of hearing that nonsense over and over and over. It's why Trump won. It's why he'll win again if he wants to run, because the Left hasn't learned a thing since last year. They can keep crying about racism and white privilege. The wolf finally ate the crying boy. The rest of us have moved on.
    And this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    MY POV:

    This is all bull$#@!.

    No one should have to pray to the state; the National Anthem should never have been made the opening of ANY game or public gathering- it is nothing but state worship.



    Maybe Mr. MAGA President should just keep his ugly mouth shut?
    I agree with you %100 but I believe that people are not only siding with Trump because they agree with this uber-patriotism bull-$#@!.

    It's likely that the fans are sick of the constant grandstanding, victim mentally, and general protest culture invading what might be the last vestige of santcioned male camaraderie for us middle class tax slaves.

    Kinda like how Trump won the election.

    Not everyone likes him but they definitely prefer him and the western culture that birthed him over whatever this new version of pc/safetyism/egalitarianism/feminism/globalism/racism/reparationism is...

    Disgust with the hypocrite media is a factor as well I'm sure..

    The Donald is the master of harnessing this discord and adding his brand name to another perceived Trump win! This is what he is goodexcellent at doing.
    Last edited by The Northbreather; 10-22-2017 at 08:13 PM.

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    xxxxx
    Last edited by Voluntarist; 07-27-2018 at 10:36 PM.
    So long, and thanks for all the fish



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    MY POV:

    This is all bull$#@!.

    No one should have to pray to the state; the National Anthem should never have been made the opening of ANY game or public gathering- it is nothing but state worship.


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/...-standing-for/

    Maybe Mr. MAGA President should just keep his ugly mouth shut?
    I agree but anything with the word "National" preceding it is well..you know.

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    Maybe George Soros can pay to fill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    This has come up in the comments on news articles. It is certainly a point to consider. People who quit watching because of the anthem controversy are now reflecting on whether the NFL represents their values at all. When PacMan Jones was here we practically had a whole precinct just to look after him.
    I think in my article search there was a stat which mentioned that as a profession/occupation 21% have a criminal record of some degree.
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    2 + 2 = 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I think in my article search there was a stat which mentioned that as a profession/occupation 21% have a criminal record of some degree.
    Here's the link on NFL criminal stats:

    http://nflarrest.com/

    NFL Arrest provides an interactive visualized database of National Football League player Arrests & Charges. Learn about your rival team's history with the law, break down arrests by Player, Position, Crime and Team. Keep in mind there are 1700 NFL Players and their arrest rates are lower than the USA arrest rate.
    I'm not a football fan but I do not understand why some Liberty Lovers are so quick to condemn peaceful protestors and incensed because these guys make big money. These guys are not Antifa- they are not causing riots or deaths.

    And here we've got a president who is knocking them on twitter and saying they are baaaad because they don't worship the flag; he is breaking successful businesses because of his ego, instead of letting business and the public make their own decisions.

    As far as the "values" spoken of by @euphemia, just what values are we talking about? Respecting killing millions in other countries where we should not be? Respecting the continual loss of freedom while pretending that the US is not an empire of lies?

    Sounds to me like we're back to the:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Northbreather View Post
    I agree with you %100 but I believe that people are not only siding with Trump because they agree with this uber-patriotism bull-$#@!.

    It's likely that the fans are sick of the constant grandstanding, victim mentally, and general protest culture invading what might be the last vestige of santcioned male camaraderie for us middle class tax slaves.

    Kinda like how Trump won the election.

    Not everyone likes him but they definitely prefer him and the western culture that birthed him over whatever this new version of pc/safetyism/egalitarianism/feminism/globalism/racism/reparationism is...

    Disgust with the hypocrite media is a factor as well I'm sure..

    The Donald is the master of harnessing this discord and adding his brand name to another perceived Trump win! This is what he is goodexcellent at doing.
    If I were better with words, I'd have put it like that ^^^

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    I call BS on the entire premise of the thread

    Prior to the start of the 2017 season there were boycotts being launched because Kaepernick didn't have a job after he refused to stand last season. Those protests are still going on. So there is no way to tell which protests are causing the NFL to lose viewers.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Prior to the start of the 2017 season there were boycotts being launched because Kaepernick didn't have a job after he refused to stand last season. Those protests are still going on. So there is no way to tell which protests are causing the NFL to lose viewers.
    They lost me about the time Joe Namath went on the Tee-Vee in pantyhose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    They lost me about the time Joe Namath went on the Tee-Vee in pantyhose.
    LOL. I'm not going to admit to being old enough to remember that.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ...but I do not understand why some Liberty Lovers are so quick to condemn peaceful protestors and incensed because these guys make big money....

    As far as the "values" spoken of by @euphemia, just what values are we talking about? Respecting killing millions in other countries where we should not be? Respecting the continual loss of freedom while pretending that the US is not an empire of lies?
    ...great writing/thinking...it seems only a republican-radio-level cheerleader [certainly no true 'liberty lover'] would/could quibble...

    ...true 'liberty lovers' understand that the stinking war on drugs--supported strongly by most/all republican-radio-levelers--has been one of the worst pieces of public polic(e)y ever conceived...the stinking authoritarian republican-radio-level 'drug war' is a big factor contributing to the degradation of 'inner cities'...but imo, the biggest factor is the stinking rotten insane monetary order NEVER honestly understood by the typical loud republicrat flag-waving fool...these pathetic fascist republicrat cheerleaders are part of the LARGE ignorant class referred to by one smart wag: "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
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    Because these people are not protesting a real problem. 80% of the league is black. About 21% of the league are criminals. They are oppressed? They face injustice? More like they are entitled and cause injustice. Ask their wives and girlfriends.
    Last edited by euphemia; 10-23-2017 at 08:33 AM.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    LOL. I'm not going to admit to being old enough to remember that.
    Hahaha I remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hahaha I remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post

    I'm not a football fan but I do not understand why some Liberty Lovers are so quick to condemn peaceful protestors and incensed because these guys make big money. These guys are not Antifa- they are not causing riots or deaths.
    ...
    Do they really not want to be part of oppression regimes and are standing up for human rights & justice or this is part of media supported showboating events campaign (like DGP Obama's hypocritical "if I had a son" publicity stunt hypocrisy drama)? Ofcourse there was no "if I had a sister" speech after unarmed black mother Miriam Carey was executed by elite DC cops at the foot steps of Obama White House with her baby daughter sitting besides her in passenger seat after she had taken a wrong traffic turn . Ofcourse there were no kneelings sighted as Congress gave standing ovation to elite DC cops and lawyer of Miriam's family was promptly arrested day after he went on TV to talk of seeking justice.

    Maybe it's not just racial, skin color, tribal affiliation/identity based media neocons sponsored publicity event, but there can be plausible reasons to doubt the real political agenda of puppet masters behind such a campaign. Will media have same stance towards kneelers/Trump if Trump had not cut off support for ISIS in Syria that he had accused Obama of founding fathering?
    Quite a few of these human rights activists were supporting disgraced dronegangsta till the end of his regime who was puppet/public relationing officer of some of the most oppressive, violence engineeering, police state reinforcing lobbies in the world.





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    Lol - I just think it's funny how easily the public is manipulated. Free market forces at work?? Yeah, maybe. But the people who are making these individual decisions have absolutely zero idea about how they're being used.

    I like the game of football and enjoy watching it. If you don't, then don't watch. But to alter your behavior because someone is raising the temperature to frighten all the snowflakes??? Come on. I've said it before that if I were to boycott everything that offended me in some way, I'd never go outside the house! I'm offended by the state. I'm offended by the companies that the state uses to do their bidding. I'm offended by companies that use the government to do their bidding. That is the real offense.

    Watch, don't watch. I don't care. But don't think you've claimed any sort of moral superiority - you've just signaled yourself as a tool.

    Same thing for standing. Stand up, sit down, roll around on the ground, do the worm... I don't care. Just make good plays. And criminal records?? Can we start with Congress, please? If the players are convicted of a crime, they should do the time. If they're still able to play afterwards, great! But it's wealth and fame that gets these people off - which is much larger than football. If you're really outraged by wealthy celebrities not facing justice, you need to boycott Sports, Hollywood, Television, Politics, and nearly all corporations, too. Don't be so easily cajoled.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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