Bannon In Cali: Hamiltonian Blasts Globalism, Empire, Austrian Economics & Secession

[Gumba of Liberty]

Thoughts on Bannon:

The Good:
1. Attacks GW Bush & Neocon Foreign Policy.
2. Labels European & Asian States (not China) as US Vassal States.
3. Attacks Global Elites, Global Government, Global Institutions, & the Gutting of Americans Manufacturing by Globalists.
4. Makes a distinction between misled Democrats "who are good people" and Global Elites using them as pawns for their own benefit.

The Bad:
1. Defines Americanism as Citizenship with Privileges (Rights from Government) and Duties which covertly rejects the Jeffersonian Ideology of Natural Rights and Individual Sovereignty.
2. Believes that Iran is a Terror State and must be confronted (for Israel). Obvious Zionist and Jewish Nationalist beliefs (either to gain support from Jewish donors or because he is a Christian Zionist).
3. Condemns China for the "One Belt, One Road - New Silk Road" Initiative.
4. Talks about the Gutting of America without discussing the Federal Reserve System & the ability of the Elites to manipulate finance.

The Ugly:
1. Makes it sound as though Country Club RINOs believe in Austrian Economics condemning both Austrian Economics & Ayn Rand as the reason for the destruction of the Middle Class.
2. Condemns CalExit and the Principle of Secession. Associates CalExit with the Nullification Crisis of the 1830s. Claims that Jackson was right to threaten South Carolina and claims the textbook fantasy that Jackson won that battle (omitting the fact that Congress passed a new, lower tariff to the pleasure of South Carolina).

Overall, exactly what I would expect from an ideological Hamiltonian who believes in the American System, rejecting Globalism & Individualism simultaneously. I'll take the good with the bad but we have much work to do.

[angelatc]

I just wanted everybody to look at the guy in the lower right.

“Steve Bannon is a natural fit for a party that is hungry for a revolution, and the party in California is definitely hungry for a revolution,” former Orange County Republican leader Scott Baugh said.

Not all Republicans are glad to see Bannon. In a series of tweets last week, former state Assembly Republican leader Chad Mayes said he was shocked by the decision to have the conservative firebrand headline the event.

“It’s a huge step backward and demonstrates that the party remains tone deaf,” Mayes tweeted.

[Swordsmyth]

It looks like Bannon wants to use CALExit to kill as many liberals as possible, we need a "LET THEM GO" movement and a "KEEP THE RED COUNTIES" movement.

[goldenequity]

Thoughts on Bannon:

The Good:
1. Attacks GW Bush & Neocon Foreign Policy.
2. Labels European & Asian States (not China) as US Vassal States.
3. Attacks Global Elites, Global Government, Global Institutions, & the Gutting of Americans Manufacturing by Globalists.
4. Makes a distinction between misled Democrats "who are good people" and Global Elites using them as pawns for their own benefit.

The Bad:
1. Defines Americanism as Citizenship with Privileges (Rights from Government) and Duties which covertly rejects the Jeffersonian Ideology of Natural Rights and Individual Sovereignty.
2. Believes that Iran is a Terror State and must be confronted (for Israel). Obvious Zionist and Jewish Nationalist beliefs (either to gain support from Jewish donors or because he is a Christian Zionist).
3. Condemns China for the "One Belt, One Road - New Silk Road" Initiative.
4. Talks about the Gutting of America without discussing the Federal Reserve System & the ability of the Elites to manipulate finance.

The Ugly:
1. Makes it sound as though Country Club RINOs believe in Austrian Economics condemning both Austrian Economics & Ayn Rand as the reason for the destruction of the Middle Class.
2. Condemns CalExit and the Principle of Secession. Associates CalExit with the Nullification Crisis of the 1830s. Claims that Jackson was right to threaten South Carolina and claims the textbook fantasy that Jackson won that battle (omitting the fact that Congress passed a new, lower tariff to the pleasure of South Carolina).

Overall, exactly what I would expect from an ideological Hamiltonian who believes in the American System, rejecting Globalism & Individualism simultaneously. I'll take the good with the bad but we have much work to do.

One of the reasons I love RPF is because of posts like yours Gumba.
Well done.

the other of course is Danke & company.

[Origanalist]

One of the reasons I love RPF is because of posts like yours Gumba.
Well done.

the other of course is Danke & company.

Company?

[oyarde]

It looks like Bannon wants to use CALExit to kill as many liberals as possible, we need a "LET THEM GO" movement and a "KEEP THE RED COUNTIES" movement.

He kind of looks like the type that would eat them after he kills them .

[oyarde]

Great post though as goldenequity said . I never really knew how stupid and crazy this guy Bannon was . I had my suspicions .

[Danke]

Company?

Possibly Oyarde.

[Origanalist]

Possibly Oyarde.

Flyboys and Injuns.

[Danke]

Flyboys and Injuns.

We both speak in tongues.

[The Northbreather]

Great summary and analysis.

I think 1 & 2 from "the bad" could be filed in "the ugly".

[Brian4Liberty]

I'd wager that Bannon doesn't know a lot about Austrian economics, and he thinks that it equates with the crony corporatism of the US Chamber of Commerce and beltway "libertarians" (he specifically mentions Cato). Those groups promote elements of globalism that financially benefit the crony elite, i.e. massive immigration of labor and outsourcing of industry.

He immediately follows with statements about how society and the world is more than "economics", and in that regard he is correct. People sometimes get so far into their area of interest that it becomes the only thing to them. Everything is a nail to hammer. Ask a random Police Chief what would make society better. His response would be different than someone at Cato, Mises Institute, Antifa, or the DNC. Society is a very complex and dynamic thing, there are no easy answers.

[Gumba of Liberty]

One of the reasons I love RPF is because of posts like yours Gumba.
Well done.

the other of course is Danke & company.

Thank you good sir(s). I do what I can.

[Gumba of Liberty]

I'd wager that Bannon doesn't know a lot about Austrian economics, and he thinks that it equates with the crony corporatism of the US Chamber of Commerce and beltway "libertarians" (he specifically mentions Cato). Those groups promote elements of globalism that financially benefit the crony elite, i.e. massive immigration of labor and outsourcing of industry.

He immediately follows with statements about how society and the world is more than "economics", and in that regard he is correct. People sometimes get so far into their area of interest that it becomes the only thing to them. Everything is a nail to hammer. Ask a random Police Chief what would make society better. His response would be different than someone at Cato, Mises Institute, Antifa, or the DNC. Society is a very complex and dynamic thing, there are no easy answers.

I'm leaning in that direction as well. Bannon has a point IF he was talking about the Country Club, Chamber of Commerce, Milton Friedman, Chicago School of Economics "Crony Capitalists". The problem is he didn't call a spade a spade.

Bannon's statement (and the reason I placed it in the UGLY Section) is that regardless of what he meant, associating Crony Capitalism with Austrian Economics in the eyes of his (and Trump's) massive "Burn the System" Grassroots Army is the last thing we need. If he keeps repeating it (as he has done in three different speeches in the past two weeks), the red-meat conservative base will begin to see Austrian Economics as the "Enemy".

Standard Republican Enemies include: Communism, The Left, Socialism, Liberals, Welfare, The French, Muslims, etc.

My issue is that words really do matter and it makes you wonder:
Are the attacks on Austrian Economics, Iran, and One Belt One Road the result of true American Populism or subversive Faux Populist Foreign Elements?

This is the question that keeps me up at night. The jury is still out.


EDIT: This doesn't help his cause either...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...180111646.html

[undergroundrr]

Bannon/Trump et al are a branch of neoconservatism. In terms of policy, things haven't shifted one millimeter off the Bush/Clinton track. People were calling them libertarians all election, and the blogosphere story was that they were supported by the anarcho-capitalists in the alt-right. Walter Block and others idiotically put a fine point on something that should have been instantly written off as preposterous. The branding and philosophical grounding of the 2007-2012 liberty movement has been dragged through the dirt so severely in the last few years, who cares who they get pinned to?

[Raginfridus]

I'm leaning in that direction as well. Bannon has a point IF he was talking about the Country Club, Chamber of Commerce, Milton Friedman, Chicago School of Economics "Crony Capitalists". The problem is he didn't call a spade a spade.

Bannon's statement (and the reason I placed it in the UGLY Section) is that regardless of what he meant, associating Crony Capitalism with Austrian Economics in the eyes of his (and Trump's) massive "Burn the System" Grassroots Army is the last thing we need. If he keeps repeating it, the red-meat conservative base will begin to see Austrian Economics as the "Enemy".

Standard Republican Enemies include: Communism, The Left, Socialism, Liberals, Welfare, The French, Muslims, etc.

My issue is that words really do matter and it makes you wonder:
Are the attacks on Austrian Economics, Iran, and One Belt One Road the result of true American Populism or subversive Faux Populist Foreign Elements?

This is the question that keeps me up at night. The jury is still out.


EDIT: This doesn't help his cause either...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...180111646.html

Some big fat demagogues behind alt-right.com must be ramming hard against the Austrian School, because the other sites I lurk at, from forums to blogs, disparage them as the elite (along with all the usual suspects).

I don't think we're in trouble though, no more than usual anyway. There isn't going to be a we again, and if there is, and types like Bannon are this stupid, we could just call the Austrian school the Vienna school and nobody's the wiser. :P

[oyarde]

I'd wager that Bannon doesn't know a lot about Austrian economics, and he thinks that it equates with the crony corporatism of the US Chamber of Commerce and beltway "libertarians" (he specifically mentions Cato). Those groups promote elements of globalism that financially benefit the crony elite, i.e. massive immigration of labor and outsourcing of industry.

He immediately follows with statements about how society and the world is more than "economics", and in that regard he is correct. People sometimes get so far into their area of interest that it becomes the only thing to them. Everything is a nail to hammer. Ask a random Police Chief what would make society better. His response would be different than someone at Cato, Mises Institute, Antifa, or the DNC. Society is a very complex and dynamic thing, there are no easy answers.

I would wager he knows little of economics at all .

[Gumba of Liberty]

Bannon/Trump et al are a branch of neoconservatism. In terms of policy, things haven't shifted one millimeter off the Bush/Clinton track. People were calling them libertarians all election, and the blogosphere story was that they were supported by the anarcho-capitalists in the alt-right. Walter Block and others idiotically put a fine point on something that should have been instantly written off as preposterous. The branding and philosophical grounding of the 2007-2012 liberty movement has been dragged through the dirt so severely in the last few years, who cares who they get pinned to?

I wouldn't call them Neoconservatives. Neoconservatives are a specific group of Globalist Psychopaths, lead by Lev Davidovich Bronstein (Trotsky), instrumental in the Russian Revolution (funded by Wall Street) that were purged from the Soviet Union in the late 1930s & early 1940s and fled to the United States after WWII.

With that said, I don't care if you're a Neocon, Communist, National Socialist, Mercantalist, Wilsonian Corporatist, or Hamiltonian "American System" Nationalist. You're a Social Engineer and against the Free Will of Individuals & of Nations.

As a rule of thumb though, I try not to get in the way when any of my enemies fight with each other. Let the Nationalists expose the Globalists. It makes our job easier. Just look at California and say it with me: Secession

[oyarde]

Flyboys and Injuns.

Yes , my sidekick is a showboat .

[Raginfridus]

Yes , my sidekick is a showboat .

All this time... kemosabe finally gets a translation.

[H. E. Panqui]

...ugh......the good, the bad and the ugly are all THE $AME when monetary ignoramus puppets/criminals are in charge of a nation of republicrat-radio/teevee-level monetary ignoramuses...as one wag put it, "The state does not function as we desired. The car does not obey. A man is at the wheel and seems to lead it, but the car does not drive in the desired direction. It moves as another force wishes."

...ugh..put away the myriad stinking republicrat economic THEORIES and get some monetary REALITY...for once....

https://archive.org/stream/TheMoneyM...sters_djvu.txt

[Brian4Liberty]

Bannon/Trump et al are a branch of neoconservatism. In terms of policy, things haven't shifted one millimeter off the Bush/Clinton track. People were calling them libertarians all election, and the blogosphere story was that they were supported by the anarcho-capitalists in the alt-right. Walter Block and others idiotically put a fine point on something that should have been instantly written off as preposterous. The branding and philosophical grounding of the 2007-2012 liberty movement has been dragged through the dirt so severely in the last few years, who cares who they get pinned to?

I wouldn't lump Bannon and Trump together when it comes to positions and philosophies. There is a certain amount of overlap, but the amount is hard to determine, as Trump changes with the wind.

I'm leaning in that direction as well. Bannon has a point IF he was talking about the Country Club, Chamber of Commerce, Milton Friedman, Chicago School of Economics "Crony Capitalists". The problem is he didn't call a spade a spade.

Bannon's statement (and the reason I placed it in the UGLY Section) is that regardless of what he meant, associating Crony Capitalism with Austrian Economics in the eyes of his (and Trump's) massive "Burn the System" Grassroots Army is the last thing we need. If he keeps repeating it (as he has done in three different speeches in the past two weeks), the red-meat conservative base will begin to see Austrian Economics as the "Enemy".

Standard Republican Enemies include: Communism, The Left, Socialism, Liberals, Welfare, The French, Muslims, etc.

My issue is that words really do matter and it makes you wonder:
Are the attacks on Austrian Economics, Iran, and One Belt One Road the result of true American Populism or subversive Faux Populist Foreign Elements?

This is the question that keeps me up at night. The jury is still out.


EDIT: This doesn't help his cause either...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...180111646.html

The word you are looking for is Zionist. Which makes him a Teacon (Tea Party with neoconservative foreign policy). Think Ted Cruz. Or Sean Hannity.

Teocons are all about limited government, until it comes to military spending.
Teocons are all about non-interventionism, until it comes to Israel.

Steve Bannon to Speak at ZOA Gala
...
Steve Bannon is scheduled to speak at the Zionist Organization of America dinner in November, his first public appearance on the books since being forced out of the White House earlier this month.

ZOA President Morton Klein confirmed that Bannon is on the lineup to speak at the November 12 event in New York, saying, “All I can tell you is Steve Bannon is going to be at the dinner.”
...
More: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...a-gala/538197/

With any flavor of Zionist, a word or phrase that can be directly related to Ron Paul is often used with a certain disdain, with a bit of a wink and nod. "Austrian economics" fits the bill, thus this may be the origin of Bannon's derogatory use of it. He would probably also use the smear term "isolationist", except for the fact that it would apply to him too.

To use "Austrian economics" as a smear because of things other than economics is a bit laughable, and not really applicable. If one really wanted to split hairs, you have to be specific about which branch of Austrian economics he finds objectionable. Considering he said Cato, he must not like Hayek, which would be double ironic if it is aimed at Ron Paul, as Ron would probably consider himself more Mises/Rothbard school than Cato/Hayek.

Words do matter, especially in the mainstream, so turning "Austrian Economics" into a smear is not good for anyone.

[unknown]

Thoughts on Bannon:

The Good:
1. Attacks GW Bush & Neocon Foreign Policy.
2. Labels European & Asian States (not China) as US Vassal States.
3. Attacks Global Elites, Global Government, Global Institutions, & the Gutting of Americans Manufacturing by Globalists.
4. Makes a distinction between misled Democrats "who are good people" and Global Elites using them as pawns for their own benefit.

The Bad:
1. Defines Americanism as Citizenship with Privileges (Rights from Government) and Duties which covertly rejects the Jeffersonian Ideology of Natural Rights and Individual Sovereignty.
2. Believes that Iran is a Terror State and must be confronted (for Israel). Obvious Zionist and Jewish Nationalist beliefs (either to gain support from Jewish donors or because he is a Christian Zionist).
3. Condemns China for the "One Belt, One Road - New Silk Road" Initiative.
4. Talks about the Gutting of America without discussing the Federal Reserve System & the ability of the Elites to manipulate finance.

The Ugly:
1. Makes it sound as though Country Club RINOs believe in Austrian Economics condemning both Austrian Economics & Ayn Rand as the reason for the destruction of the Middle Class.
2. Condemns CalExit and the Principle of Secession. Associates CalExit with the Nullification Crisis of the 1830s. Claims that Jackson was right to threaten South Carolina and claims the textbook fantasy that Jackson won that battle (omitting the fact that Congress passed a new, lower tariff to the pleasure of South Carolina).

Overall, exactly what I would expect from an ideological Hamiltonian who believes in the American System, rejecting Globalism & Individualism simultaneously. I'll take the good with the bad but we have much work to do.

I feel like this is a summary that I can trust without actually having to watch the video.

Even his one good valid message about the necon foreign empire was offset by his advocating the neocon position against Iran...