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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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BS. Trump NEVER even talked about it. Sure, he may have indicated (for political purposes) that we should intervene less in SOME places, but at the same time he was talking about intervention and tougher sanctions in other places! Hell, sometimes he'd say the same things in reverse in the same week! There were never any guiding principles he followed other than agreeing with whatever audience was in front of him.
But I suppose this is more of that selective-Trump-hearing to which you guys cling. Only hearing what you want to believe he is saying.
For the rest of us, he's pretty much behaving exactly as expected. You definitely want to be the last person to talk to Trump before he does something!
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
um...bombings in brown peoples lands are up over Obama. So if he's not a Neocon....he sure does a good imitation.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
It's easy to agree with 1/2 of what Trump says. "A lot of the speech actually spoke to me, there", too!
Thomas is smart to focus on the 1/2 where he aligns. It's just that the other 1/2 of the things he says (and does, btw) are completely opposite. Thomas is being magnanimous by not calling BS, but I don't have to be.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Collectives do exist.
Definition of collectivism
1 :a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also :a system marked by such control
2 :emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity
If a group of individuals identify themselves as parts of a collective, then nobody's a "collectivist" for factually stating such a group are a collective, nor intellectually compromised for treating a collective like a collective.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Ok, you're getting better... But if you really listened to what he "SAID" and not just what you wanted to hear, you would have noticed that everything he SAID was contradicted by other things he said. He called for less intervention, but then also said he was going to go after ISIS no matter where they were. He said he wanted us out of the ME, but also said he wanted to get involved MORE.
But some of you got all excited when he said things you liked and dismissed the things you didn't like. So now, when you think he isn't "walking his talk", it's because you only listened to what you wanted to hear.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
What you and Dannno are missing is the second piece of that definition. Just because you use the collective term "neocon" does NOT mean that they are in lockstep with each other. You are ascribing your understanding of the group to each of the individuals in that group. John McCain is a neocon. Obama is a neocon. GWB is a neocon. And yet, they all argue amongst themselves incessantly. How can that be if they are all neocons?!! Like I stated before, what unites these men is not any particular use or implementation of that power, it's that they want to control the world. It's a chess game to them. They're all playing on different teams, but they're all playing the game. Trump is doing the same damned thing - just another neocon.
But what's been happening with dannno, is that he sees some neocons attacking Trump and assumes that he must not be one. He is, of course, just playing the chess game in the way he wants to play it. So when you put the emphasis on the individuals within that group, you'll see that their aims are almost identical: Gain as much power as possible and use it as "I" see fit. It's only when you focus on the group over the individuals that you make the mistake of believing they all want to make the exact same moves.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Again, what group are you talking about?! The left neocons? The right neocons? The Trumpian neocons?? Even within those factions of neoconnery, you will have much disagreement on tactics. But, if you look at it more broadly, they all have the same goals. Grow and exert power.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
If you are a neocon and you support him. You are only seeing the things you want him to say while ignoring the things you don't want him to see. Not all conservatives act the same. Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Mike Lee, Pat Buchanan, Jim Demint all have disagreements but they all want the same thing. The rest of us can see that the entire establishment hates and despises Donald Trump.
Who else but Trump would work with our Senators to get the things that our country needs done by executive order.
In June, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., labeled the pilot shortage a crisis that would prevent the Air Force from fulfilling its mission.“This is a full-blown crisis, and if left unresolved, it will call into question the Air Force’s ability to accomplish its mission,” said McCain, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
President Trump signed an executive order Friday allowing the Air Force to recall as many as 1,000 retired pilots to active duty to address a shortage in combat fliers, the White House and Pentagon announced.
"We anticipate that the Secretary of Defense will delegate the authority to the Secretary of the Air Force to recall up to 1,000 retired pilots for up to three years," Navy Cdr. Gary Ross, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.
But the executive order itself is not specific to the Air Force, and could conceivably be used in the future to call up more officers and in other branches.
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This guy is a real politician? What does Mike Tyson have to do with Bush-Clinton?
Torturer-in-Chief Turned Savior of Freedom?
Former President George W. Bush gave a speech yesterday ... He assured listeners that freedom “should be the defining commitment of our country, and the hope of the world.” ... “We become the heirs of James Madison by understanding the genius and values of the US Constitution.”
After the speech, much of the media exalted Bush as if he were the second coming of George Washington. ...
Bush was one of the most disastrous, authoritarian presidents in modern American history. Bush committed more abuses of power than could be recounted in anything less than a book. But there was one issue which should forever define Bush in Americans’ memory. ...
Bush proceeded to authorize the type of torture regime that civilized nations had formally abandoned hundreds of years earlier.
The CIA constructed an interrogation regime by “consulting Egyptian and Saudi intelligence officials and copying Soviet interrogation methods,” ... Thanks to Bush’s orders, US government abuses ranged from endless high-volume repetition of a “Meow Mix” cat food commercial at Guantanamo, to tearing out toenails in Afghanistan, to compulsory enemas for recalcitrant prisoners, to beating people to death in Iraq and kicking them to death outside Kabul, and to illegally sending detainees to foreign governments to be tortured by proxy and creating a system of “ghost prisoners” worthy of a banana republic. A secret legal opinion authorized CIA interrogators to engage in head slapping, waterboarding, frigid temperatures, and manacling for many hours in stress positions. CIA interrogators often did not speak the language of detainees so they compensated by beating hell out of them. Psychologists aided the torture regime, offering helpful hints on how to destroy the will and resistance of prisoners.
Monty Python was the Bush administration’s patron saint for judicial proceedings. ... Military commissions could accept “evidence” produced by interrogations that violated “cruel, unusual or inhumane treatment” standards as long as such abuses occurred before Dec. 30, 2005, when Congress passed the Detainee Treatment Act. (Bush effectively vetoed this law with a signing statement.) The Military Commissions Act, which Bush railroaded through Congress in 2006, created farcical proceedings that resembled a 1938 Moscow show trial. Defense attorneys could “challenge the use of hearsay information obtained through coercive interrogations [torture] in distant countries only if they can prove it is unreliable,” ... But it was almost impossible to disprove an accusation when a defense lawyer was not allowed to question or perhaps even know who made the charge. ...
Bush’s legal lackeys also proclaimed that the president’s dictates were the highest law thanks to the “commander-in-chief override” of the Constitution. In December 2008, the Senate Armed Services Committee released a report (largely ignored by the media) proving that the torture abuses originated at the highest levels of the Bush administration. The report stated that “senior officials in the United States government... redefined the law to create the appearance of legality.”
In 2010, Bush’s memoir, Decision Points, hit the streets and Americans could read firsthand the former president bragging about ordering torture. Bush wrote that when he was requested to approve the CIA’s waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he responded, “Damn right.” ... torture helped send 4000+ Americans to their death in Iraq, since the Bush administration relied on false confessions gained via torture to justify toppling Saddam Hussein. The United States had classified waterboarding as torture since the Spanish American War, and the US government had classified waterboarding as a war crime since 1947. ...
The only CIA official prosecuted in the torture scandal was John Kiriakou, a heroic whistleblower. The fact that federal courts dismissed a barrage of torture lawsuits against top Bush administration officials and torture policymakers is one of the great disgraces of the American judiciary. ...
Bush did more than anyone in this century to destroy Americans’ and the world’s confidence in the US government. But freedom will be doomed if we permit its enemies to masquerade as its protectors.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
(1 John 4:18)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...oreign-regimes
Donald Trump: 'We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes'
Donald Trump has laid out a US military policy that would avoid interventions in foreign conflicts and instead focus heavily on defeating Islamic State militancy.
“We will stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with,” the president-elect said on Tuesday night in Fayetteville, near Fort Bragg military base in North Carolina.
“Instead our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying Isis, and we will.”
“We don’t want to have a depleted military because we’re all over the place fighting in areas that we shouldn’t be fighting in. It’s not going to be depleted any longer,” he said.Ya mean countries like Iran and North Korea and Cuba?Trump has long expressed his skepticism about US foreign intervention in activities that he has labeled “nation building.”
He told the Guardian in October 2015: “We’re nation-building. We can’t do it. We have to build our own nation. We’re nation-building, trying to tell people who have [had] dictators or worse for centuries how to run their own countries.
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