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Thread: Of course it wouldn't end with Civil War Memorials. Crosses now in crossfire....

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    Of course it will not end with Civil War memorials or even founding fathers memorials. Now we have suits about whether a statuary eulogy should be in the form of a cross.

    Back in 1925, the American Legion erected a memorial in Bladensburg, Md., to honor the memory of 49 men who perished during World War I.

    The 40-foot tall memorial became known as the "Peace Cross."

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    In 2014, the American Humanist Association -- a group that believes in "being good without a god" -- filed a lawsuit alleging the cross-shaped memorial is unconstitutional and demanding it be demolished, altered, or removed.

    They alleged the cross carries "an inherently religious message and creates the unmistakable appearance of honoring only Christian servicemen."

    "Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America."
    On Wednesday, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed and ruled the historic memorial must be torn down -- all because the Bladensburg Memorial is in the shape of a cross.

    The Fourth Circuit said the memorial excessively entangles the government in religion because the cross is the “core symbol of Christianity” and “breaches” the wall separating church and state.

    Writing separately, Chief Judge Gregory wrote, “This Memorial stands in witness to the VALOR, ENDURANCE, COURAGE, and DEVOTION of the forty-nine residents of Prince George’s County, Maryland ‘who lost their lives in the Great War for the liberty of the world.’ I cannot agree that a monument so conceived and dedicated and that bears such witness violates the letter or spirit of the very Constitution these heroes died to defend.”

    The American Legion could appeal directly to the Supreme Court.

    "Today's decision sets dangerous precedent by completely ignoring history, and it threatens removal and destruction of veterans memorials across America," First Liberty Institute attorney Hiram Sasser said.

    First Liberty Institute and the Jones Day law firm are representing the American Legion in their fight.

    “This memorial has stood in honor of local veterans for almost 100 years and is lawful under the First Amendment,” Jones Day attorney Michael Carvin said. “To remove it would be a tremendous dishonor to the local men who gave their lives during The Great War.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...torn-down.html
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.



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    When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.

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    And we have the demon drag queen in a taxpayer funded library. Apparently liberals think this can only go one way.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.
    Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
    "Be afwaid. Be berry afwaid" Donald Trump.

    The optimists built this country and made it great- not the fearful. Fear can only destroy.

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.
    I don't fear or hate you Zippy. Here's +plus rep. just because I feel like it.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.
    Yes. That is why when we have the government droning kids to death, we instead see distraction news stories such as this:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...is-Mother-Says Where a text taken horribly out of context becomes the lead story and causes a needless division, while genuine stories stay hidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Politicians are teaching everybody to hate each other- that we need to be afraid so they can protect us.
    This is probably the first really wise thing you have said on these boards. Thank you.

    Do you get tired of people telling you what to think and say?
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    This is great news for the left- and right socialists presently engaged in the culture war.

    Great for Bernie, great for Bannon; great for Antifa, great for the alt-right.

    No so great for us (by which I mean libertarians, should anyone have forgotten).
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    This is probably the first really wise thing you have said on these boards. Thank you.

    Do you get tired of people telling you what to think and say?
    I ignore them.

    There have been lawsuits for years trying to take down two crosses in San Diego which are large war memorials. The "solution" was to sell the land to a private group with the requirement that they keep the cross in perpetuity.

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...p10-story.html
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2017 at 05:24 PM.
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
    "Be afwaid. Be berry afwaid" Donald Trump.

    The optimists built this country and made it great- not the fearful. Fear can only destroy.

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Of course it will not end with Civil War memorials or even founding fathers memorials. Now we have suits about whether a statuary eulogy should be in the form of a cross.
    Are menorahs OK?
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

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    There are no WW 1 memorials here at risk .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I ignore them.
    No you don't. You believe them, repeat them, and defend them.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    No you don't. You believe them, repeat them, and defend them.
    I am defending you?
    "The only thing we have to fear is.... fear itself!" Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
    "Be afwaid. Be berry afwaid" Donald Trump.

    The optimists built this country and made it great- not the fearful. Fear can only destroy.

    I am Zippy and I approve of this post. But you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    When politics swing in an extreme and crazy direction, it is a build up to swing in the opposite crazy direction. I worry about my young uns. There is too much crazy going on these days.
    Heh. I wish the other side would fight back with equal vigor. 'Moderation' is so over-rated.

    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-18-2017 at 06:17 PM.






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