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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Is the Demoncrat going to produce better results for liberty than Moore? Go ahead make that claim, then try to back it up.

    A victory for Moore will result in a much better voting record than a victory for the Demoncrat even from your point of view.
    I would rather have a run-of-the-mill dem than set the precedent of having the mentally deranged, anti-liberty, christian taliban maniac that is Roy Moore serve as a senator. Some "Demoncrats" like Tulsi Gabbard are much better for the liberty movement than 98% of R's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    I would rather have a run-of-the-mill dem than set the precedent of having the mentally deranged, anti-liberty, christian taliban maniac that is Roy Moore serve as a senator. Some "Demoncrats" like Tulsi Gabbard are much better for the liberty movement than 98% of R's.
    Show me that the Dem is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell me the Demoncrat is better, I dare you, prove it to me and I might support him.

    No matter what your opinion of Moore we don't have a better choice, when you can't get a total victory you must salami slice your way to your goals, the left has been doing it for generations it is about time we did the same.
    A Libertarian Party candidate says Alabama voters need another choice for the U.S. Senate besides Democratic nominee Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore.

    Ron Bishop, an information technology professional who lives in Irondale, will officially announce his write-in candidacy at the Irondale Whistle Stop Festival today at noon.

    "The two choices that we have now, they don't conform to what I think America needs to be," Bishop said.

    "I'm hoping we that we can give voters out there a third option."
    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...announces.html

    I'm calling bull$#@! on not having a better candidate. principles.... when there is a better option and you choose a worse one, i'll get what you deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    A Libertarian Party candidate says Alabama voters need another choice for the U.S. Senate besides Democratic nominee Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore.

    Ron Bishop, an information technology professional who lives in Irondale, will officially announce his write-in candidacy at the Irondale Whistle Stop Festival today at noon.

    "The two choices that we have now, they don't conform to what I think America needs to be," Bishop said.

    "I'm hoping we that we can give voters out there a third option."
    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...announces.html

    I'm calling bull$#@! on not having a better candidate. principles.... when there is a better option and you choose a worse one, i'll get what you deserve.
    Not living in Alabama I didn't know that, I will still need a comparison between him and Moore to show me who is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Some "Demoncrats" like Tulsi Gabbard are much better for the liberty movement than 98% of R's.
    Actually she is better than exactly zero Republicans. Peter King is better. Anyone with R next to their name is better than Tulsi Gabbard. Susan Collins will accidentally vote correctly more often than Tulsi Gabbard. She is a Bernie Sanders Communist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Actually she is better than exactly zero Republicans. Peter King is better. Anyone with R next to their name is better than Tulsi Gabbard. Susan Collins will accidentally vote correctly more often than Tulsi Gabbard. She is a Bernie Sanders Communist.
    Foreign policy matters way more than all other issues. And Tulsi Gabbard is better than almost everyone on foreign policy. There is a middle ground, you know. Like what exists in the real world? Eventually some principles will have to be compromised... like the existence of government? I think Ron said it best in one of the 2012 debates when he said something along the lines of: Cut 2 billion in overseas spending for every 1 billion in domestic spending.

    Government is incredibly wasteful, but we're not going to blow up the system tomorrow. Why not make allies with people that actually share some anti-war principles instead of writing them off as a communist because they naively overestimate the potential for government to do good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This country has definitely lost it's way when people have no faith in the Creator. Political Correctness has replaced the Golden Rule.
    The golden rule, or rules like it, existed long before christianity or judaism, and are far more clearly stated. You still believe in fairy tales, as you just plainly admitted. Joseph Kony is a real person as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Foreign policy matters way more than all other issues.
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy



    There is a middle ground, you know. Like what exists in the real world? Eventually some principles will have to be compromised... like the existence of government? I think Ron said it best in one of the 2012 debates when he said something along the lines of: Cut 2 billion in overseas spending for every 1 billion in domestic spending.
    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    The golden rule, or rules like it, existed long before christianity or judaism, and are far more clearly stated. You still believe in fairy tales, as you just plainly admitted. Joseph Kony is a real person as well.
    As a Christian the 'Golden Rule' stems from the Creator; not a religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy





    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.
    Obviously I really take issue with the order of the issues you have (I guess I think people not dying in needless wars is more important.) You kinda ignored that and just thought about how much it costs... And that number is understated anyways.

    How many republicans actually want to reduce government spending? When it comes to action, not many. End the drug war? Few. Cutting taxes? Yes, but not for the people who need it most. Monetary policy? Almost No one cares, R or D. Health care? Obamacare style system was a republican compromise while liberals wanted single payer. Regulations? Reps want to remove those usually, until some corporation asks for one to deter competition, then they all will vote for it. Civil liberties? The party of the patriot act. Gabbard is definitely better on drug war, foreign policy, and she might be better on civil liberties too (I would have to check I'm not sure.) Worse on taxes, health care... Still way better than most reps in my mind.

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    i'm with Influenza - there is no more prudent fiscal and defense policy than cutting the $#@! out of our military budget and bringing troops home. that's important to me, but judge Godsquad seems to view Iran as a threat.

    I think Tulsi Gabbard is a huge ally in this effort. and we've seen, she gets as much support from her party as Ron Paul did....

    Rand totally $#@!ed up here, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    Rand totally $#@!ed up here, imo.
    Yeah, cuz endorsing a guy that after winning the GOP nomination came to DC and specifically requested/had a private meeting with Randal and snubbed all the bigwigs was a "$#@! up". Obviously Randal liked what he heard in their meet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy





    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.
    All of that is true, but you have to remember that a lot of times war spending isn't even included in the regular budget. During the Iraq War, war spending was often times classified as "emergency spending," and it wasn't included in the regular budget. We spent at least two trillion on the Iraq War, and much of that spending wasn't included in the regular budget.

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    Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin are pulling for the Democrat. Rand and Roy must be doing something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    First off he should really not endorse anyone ever... but if he feels the need to, he should have done it when it mattered, such as during the primary. Doing it now means absolutely nothing and brings only negatives as a result.
    Endorsing the primary opponents of sitting Republican Senators makes your colleagues hate you. No reason for it. Rand is one of the first big time politicians to endorse Moore anyway, so he's reaping all the rewards without any of the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Endorsing the primary opponents of sitting Republican Senators makes your colleagues hate you.
    I agree but it was pretty obvious Luther was going to lose. And in a red state like Alabama, an endorsement during the general election means nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    No reason for it. Rand is one of the first big time politicians to endorse Moore anyway, so he's reaping all the rewards without any of the risk.
    You have that backwards actually... he is getting no benefit from the endorsement at all, and is only getting grief from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I agree but it was pretty obvious Luther was going to lose. And in a red state like Alabama, an endorsement during the general election means nothing.

    You have that backwards actually... he is getting no benefit from the endorsement at all, and is only getting grief from it.

    I would have voted for Mo Brooks in the primary. His policy seems to be not endorsing in primaries unless there is a very good reason. There wasn't a great candidate in this race.

    Whether it is good idea to support Moore can be debated. I am certain Rand's reasoning is that Moore is crazy and likely to buck leadership. Moore has been very complimentary of Rand and is likely to move things in the right direction on budget issues given how close the vote is. Rand's endorsement and fundraising will have no affect on the vote but could very well have a big impact on how often Moore sides with Rand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I am certain Rand's reasoning is that Moore is crazy and likely to buck leadership. Moore has been very complimentary of Rand and is likely to move things in the right direction on budget issues given how close the vote is. Rand's endorsement and fundraising will have no affect on the vote but could very well have a big impact on how often Moore sides with Rand.
    And as I mentioned, Moore went to DC after winning the primary it to meet with Sen. Paul. I think its clear he asked for the endorsement and convinced Randal he would prove an ally on the important issues.

    With that said, I got a fundraising email from moore last week and the whole email was about how his opponent loves trannies and wants to put trannies everwhere. And while I'm not party to the turn everybody into a tranny agenda, it certainly isn't an argument that is going to get me to open up my pocketbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    And as I mentioned, Moore went to DC after winning the primary it to meet with Sen. Paul. I think its clear he asked for the endorsement and convinced Randal he would prove an ally on the important issues.

    With that said, I got a fundraising email from moore last week and the whole email was about how his opponent loves trannies and wants to put trannies everwhere. And while I'm not party to the turn everybody into a tranny agenda, it certainly isn't an argument that is going to get me to open up my pocketbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post

    You have that backwards actually... he is getting no benefit from the endorsement at all, and is only getting grief from it.
    Grief from all the right people. Establishment hacks hate what Rand is doing, but he's winning huge points among grass roots conservatives. Rand's high profile paling around with Trump and his early endorsement of Moore is what gives Rand the political cover to get away with things like voting against the Health Care Bill without hurting his standing among the base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Grief from all the right people.
    Uh no, you must be new to this...

    Rand isn't getting grief from establishment people for endorsing a Republican nominee for Senate. Rand is however getting considerable grief from large portions of Rand's own base because of their distaste for Moore. It was unnecessary for Rand to endorse at all, and he gets zero benefit from endorsing after Moore already won the primary. But he is eroding support from his own base for doing so. There are a lot of legitimate reasons not to like Moore and Rand is attaching himself to him. If he was going to endorse Moore he should have done it when it mattered, during the primary, where it would have looked like his endorsement carries some weight.

    It is actions like this which killed Rand during the 2016 Presidential campaign; he kept eroding his base until there was nothing left.


    And for the record I'm glad Moore won because he will not be beholden to Mitch. But I also recognize that he isn't anything close to a libertarian either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Uh no, you must be new to this...

    Rand isn't getting grief from establishment people for endorsing a Republican nominee for Senate. Rand is however getting considerable grief from large portions of Rand's own base because of their distaste for Moore. It was unnecessary for Rand to endorse at all, and he gets zero benefit from endorsing after Moore already won the primary. But he is eroding support from his own base for doing so. There are a lot of legitimate reasons not to like Moore and Rand is attaching himself to him. If he was going to endorse Moore he should have done it when it mattered, during the primary, where it would have looked like his endorsement carries some weight.

    It is actions like this which killed Rand during the 2016 Presidential campaign; he kept eroding his base until there was nothing left.


    And for the record I'm glad Moore won because he will not be beholden to Mitch. But I also recognize that he isn't anything close to a libertarian either.
    Rand Paul's "base" is not Libertarians. His base is grass roots conservatives, and they are very grateful for what he did, especially now with the Fake News hit attack by the Washington Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Rand Paul's "base" is not Libertarians. His base is grass roots conservatives, and they are very grateful for what he did, especially now with the Fake News hit attack by the Washington Post.
    Regardless of whether the allegations are true or not, the anti-liberty jesus freak roy moore should not be anywhere near the fed. government, and should certainly not have been endorsed by Rand
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonPaulMall View Post
    Rand Paul's "base" is not Libertarians. His base is grass roots conservatives
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Regardless of whether the allegations are true or not, the anti-liberty jesus freak roy moore should not be anywhere near the fed. government, and should certainly not have been endorsed by Rand
    Roy Moore will be a better Senator than Luther Strange if for only one reason: he is independent, anti-establishment, and enemies of Mitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Actually she is better than exactly zero Republicans. Peter King is better. Anyone with R next to their name is better than Tulsi Gabbard. Susan Collins will accidentally vote correctly more often than Tulsi Gabbard. She is a Bernie Sanders Communist.
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    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.

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    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.
    Remember there are 4 people. If all of them were democratic operatives or linked to that would be the coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.
    She did sign language interpretation at Clinton speeches. An "operative" would be a huge exaggeration.

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