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    Sen. Rand Paul endorses Judge Roy Moore for U.S. Senate



    Sen. Rand Paul endorsed Judge Roy Moore for U.S. Senate on Tuesday, describing him as someone who will “stand on principle” and “defend the Constitution.”

    “Judge Roy Moore has spent a lifetime defending and standing up for the Constitution while fighting for the people of Alabama. We need more people in Washington, DC, that will stand on principle and defend the Constitution,” Sen. Paul said in a statement on Tuesday. “I look forward to welcoming him to the Senate very soon.”

    “I am honored to receive the support and endorsement of Sen. Rand Paul for whom I have great admiration and respect as a fellow defender of our conservative principles,” Judge Moore said on receiving Paul’s endorsement. “I look forward to working with him in the United States Senate to defend our Constitution, secure our borders, fix our national debt, and allow the free enterprise system to create more jobs across Alabama and the nation.”
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    But, but, Moore hates Teh Gheys!
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    Geeze... Rand and his team are slow learners when it comes to endorsements...... they keep making the same mistakes over and over again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Geeze... Rand and his team are slow learners when it comes to endorsements...... they keep making the same mistakes over and over again
    Right, he should endorse the Demoncrat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Right, he should endorse the Demoncrat!
    Who said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Who said that?
    Then Moore is the better option, the one we should want to win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Then Moore is the better option, the one we should want to win?
    First off he should really not endorse anyone ever... but if he feels the need to, he should have done it when it mattered, such as during the primary. Doing it now means absolutely nothing and brings only negatives as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Right, he should endorse the Demoncrat!
    you are nothing more than a partisan hack and I'm honestly surprised that people with these kinda views still populate this forum.

    Anyways, Rand is starting to suck these days. Not just his decisions politically but on principles too. This Roy Moore guy is $#@!ing awful... and not to mention the worst kind of fundie there is.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    you are nothing more than a partisan hack and I'm honestly surprised that people with these kinda views still populate this forum.

    Anyways, Rand is starting to suck these days. Not just his decisions politically but on principles too. This Roy Moore guy is $#@!ing awful... and not to mention the worst kind of fundie there is.
    Tell me the Demoncrat is better, I dare you, prove it to me and I might support him.

    No matter what your opinion of Moore we don't have a better choice, when you can't get a total victory you must salami slice your way to your goals, the left has been doing it for generations it is about time we did the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell me the Demoncrat is better, I dare you, prove it to me and I might support him.

    No matter what your opinion of Moore we don't have a better choice, when you can't get a total victory you must salami slice your way to your goals, the left has been doing it for generations it is about time we did the same.
    i guess that makes sense if your goals are christian authoritarian theocracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Tell me the Demoncrat is better, I dare you, prove it to me and I might support him.

    No matter what your opinion of Moore we don't have a better choice, when you can't get a total victory you must salami slice your way to your goals, the left has been doing it for generations it is about time we did the same.
    A Libertarian Party candidate says Alabama voters need another choice for the U.S. Senate besides Democratic nominee Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore.

    Ron Bishop, an information technology professional who lives in Irondale, will officially announce his write-in candidacy at the Irondale Whistle Stop Festival today at noon.

    "The two choices that we have now, they don't conform to what I think America needs to be," Bishop said.

    "I'm hoping we that we can give voters out there a third option."
    http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...announces.html

    I'm calling bull$#@! on not having a better candidate. principles.... when there is a better option and you choose a worse one, i'll get what you deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Anyways, Rand is starting to suck these days. Not just his decisions politically but on principles too. This Roy Moore guy is $#@!ing awful... and not to mention the worst kind of fundie there is.
    Au Contraire, Randal is getting better every year. Simply one awesome senator, one I'm glad is on our side.

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    The one before the second last port is also ad hominem
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    I got no problem with this. Should I?



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    And the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and National Socialist Council of Nagaland were magical were-poodles. Oh yeah thats a good one.

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    Alright I can accept that Joseph Kony is not well documented but that doesn't change the fact that christian terrorism is a thing just as communist terrorism is thing. However that doesn't change the fact that we still have christian socialist and communist terrorists and that not believing in the Judaeo Christian God doesn't make one "politically correct" since politically correct differs from country to country.
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    I also assume that the Christian terrorist Vellupilai Prabhkaran of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam was a myth. Most Sri Lankan Tamils and Sinhalese would disagree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    Foreign policy matters way more than all other issues.
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy



    There is a middle ground, you know. Like what exists in the real world? Eventually some principles will have to be compromised... like the existence of government? I think Ron said it best in one of the 2012 debates when he said something along the lines of: Cut 2 billion in overseas spending for every 1 billion in domestic spending.
    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy





    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.
    All of that is true, but you have to remember that a lot of times war spending isn't even included in the regular budget. During the Iraq War, war spending was often times classified as "emergency spending," and it wasn't included in the regular budget. We spent at least two trillion on the Iraq War, and much of that spending wasn't included in the regular budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Foreign policy is important for a lot of reasons. But Cuba has good foreign policy. It doesn't matter at all unless you have things taken care of domestically. It is nice that Gabbard has good views on Syria, but frankly that doesn't affect my life and most people in the US nearly as much as numerous other issues. The issues I care about in order of importance.

    1. Government spending
    2. The drug war
    3. Cutting taxes
    4. Monetary policy
    5. Health care policy
    6. Regulations
    7. Civil liberties
    8. Foreign Policy





    I support the existence of government. It is prerequisite to liberty. Ron didn't say it best. The amount of money spent overseas is peanuts. The United States spends 3.5% of GDP on the military- total. We spent 5% of GDP in 1950. We spent 10% in 1960. Bringing people home from overseas is probably good policy, but it does nothing to spending. Total military spending is about 17% of the total budget. Entitlement spending is two-thirds of the budget.
    Obviously I really take issue with the order of the issues you have (I guess I think people not dying in needless wars is more important.) You kinda ignored that and just thought about how much it costs... And that number is understated anyways.

    How many republicans actually want to reduce government spending? When it comes to action, not many. End the drug war? Few. Cutting taxes? Yes, but not for the people who need it most. Monetary policy? Almost No one cares, R or D. Health care? Obamacare style system was a republican compromise while liberals wanted single payer. Regulations? Reps want to remove those usually, until some corporation asks for one to deter competition, then they all will vote for it. Civil liberties? The party of the patriot act. Gabbard is definitely better on drug war, foreign policy, and she might be better on civil liberties too (I would have to check I'm not sure.) Worse on taxes, health care... Still way better than most reps in my mind.



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    i'm with Influenza - there is no more prudent fiscal and defense policy than cutting the $#@! out of our military budget and bringing troops home. that's important to me, but judge Godsquad seems to view Iran as a threat.

    I think Tulsi Gabbard is a huge ally in this effort. and we've seen, she gets as much support from her party as Ron Paul did....

    Rand totally $#@!ed up here, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    Rand totally $#@!ed up here, imo.
    Yeah, cuz endorsing a guy that after winning the GOP nomination came to DC and specifically requested/had a private meeting with Randal and snubbed all the bigwigs was a "$#@! up". Obviously Randal liked what he heard in their meet.

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    Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin are pulling for the Democrat. Rand and Roy must be doing something right.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...63879390679040

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    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.
    Remember there are 4 people. If all of them were democratic operatives or linked to that would be the coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenpaul View Post
    I have been reading that his accuser is a democrat operative. Timing is just too convenient.
    She did sign language interpretation at Clinton speeches. An "operative" would be a huge exaggeration.

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