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    Trump says he's looking 'very, very strongly' at welfare reform

    President Donald Trump said Monday his administration will start to consider reforming the welfare system in the United States, saying that some people are "taking advantage of the system."The comment comes as the Trump administration struggles to get any sweeping legislation through Congress, despite Republicans controlling both the House and Senate. Trump failed to pass health care reform earlier this year and is currently working -- without much success so far -- to pass tax reform.
    "People are taking advantage of the system and then other people aren't receiving what they really need to live and we think it is very unfair to them," said Trump, flanked by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson during a Cabinet meeting. "Because some people are really taking advantage of our system from that standpoint."

    "We are going to be looking very, very strongly, therefore, at welfare reform," Trump added.
    Trump didn't say when this roll out would happen but said he would announce his plan "shortly."

    More at: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politi...orm/index.html
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    There should be zero Federal dollars going to that .

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    Some people will never learn. Trump says all kinds of things...
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    I'll reform it for free......

    No more free $#@!!

    See how easy that was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I'll reform it for free......

    No more free $#@!!

    See how easy that was?
    Thats the easy part. Hard part is listening to all the people cut from welfare bitch and complain they want it back. And they always want someone else to pay for it. So those people turn around and vote for which ever politician is making the prettiest lies, and those same people are always willing to offer up the rights of others so they dont have to do the work themselves.

    /Devils_Advocate part

    Sure, there is a place for a welfare system as not everyone can provide for themselves, and never have been able to. Example: Autistic child that was put up for adoption. But what if that welfare system were done so in a Free Market style? Perhaps volunteering welfare? As a giver, not recipient. Something like volunteering work at an Animal Shelter or Senior Citizens.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Thats the easy part. Hard part is listening to all the people cut from welfare bitch and complain they want it back. And they always want someone else to pay for it. So those people turn around and vote for which ever politician is making the prettiest lies, and those same people are always willing to offer up the rights of others so they dont have to do the work themselves.

    /Devils_Advocate part

    Sure, there is a place for a welfare system as not everyone can provide for themselves, and never have been able to. Example: Autistic child that was put up for adoption. But what if that welfare system were done so in a Free Market style? Perhaps volunteering welfare? As a giver, not recipient. Something like volunteering work at an Animal Shelter or Senior Citizens.

    Thoughts?
    Those things used to be taken care of. Mostly by Christian churches and some fraternal organizations. But, these organizations have been excoriated to the point that the MSM would have you believe the Federal government does a better job of helping out those in need. As opposed to the truth of the matter in that the Fed. Gov. promises but fails to deliver. Hurricane Matthews inundated eastern N.C. and the Fed. told Carolinians to $#@! off. In the wake it has been churches and community non-profits that have taken up the slack.

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    looking "very, very STRONGLY" ...

    Last edited by Raginfridus; 10-16-2017 at 06:47 PM. Reason: quit looking and burn it motherfucker



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Some people will never learn. Trump says all kinds of things...
    But he says the best things, things like you've never heard before.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Seems unlikely when a significant portion of his base receives welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Seems unlikely when a significant portion of his base receives welfare.
    A significant portion of his base receives Obamacare subsidies... and now he has stopped those. just saying.

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    Let's make welfare Great again

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    A significant portion of his base receives Obamacare subsidies... and now he has stopped those. just saying.
    By God the news media is absolutely disgusting. The CSR payments to the insurance companies were not part of the law. Those were ended. The federal subsidies to lower the insurance premiums of lower income people, were part of the law and will continue.

    As for welfare reform, the majority received by white people, expect any reform talk to be used by the media to exacerbate race wars.
    Last edited by spudea; 10-17-2017 at 06:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Those things used to be taken care of. Mostly by Christian churches and some fraternal organizations. But, these organizations have been excoriated to the point that the MSM would have you believe the Federal government does a better job of helping out those in need. As opposed to the truth of the matter in that the Fed. Gov. promises but fails to deliver. Hurricane Matthews inundated eastern N.C. and the Fed. told Carolinians to $#@! off. In the wake it has been churches and community non-profits that have taken up the slack.
    Yep.

    President Reagan once visited Salt Lake and was astounded by the LDS welfare system- said it was the best in the world. Now .gov has stopped their farming in many parts of the country and is trying to crush that very same welfare system. Heaven forbid that locals should take care of their own.

    The gov needs to be taken out of everything.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post

    /Devils_Advocate part

    Sure, there is a place for a welfare system as not everyone can provide for themselves, and never have been able to. Example: Autistic child that was put up for adoption. But what if that welfare system were done so in a Free Market style? Perhaps volunteering welfare? As a giver, not recipient. Something like volunteering work at an Animal Shelter or Senior Citizens.

    Thoughts?
    The way I look at it, without welfare there's more stuff to go around since the producers have more incentive to make stuff. With more stuff to go around, it's more likely that everyone will get taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    President Donald Trump said Monday his administration will start to consider reforming the welfare system in the United States, saying that some people are "taking advantage of the system."The comment comes as the Trump administration struggles to get any sweeping legislation through Congress, despite Republicans controlling both the House and Senate. Trump failed to pass health care reform earlier this year and is currently working -- without much success so far -- to pass tax reform.
    "People are taking advantage of the system and then other people aren't receiving what they really need to live and we think it is very unfair to them," said Trump, flanked by Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson during a Cabinet meeting. "Because some people are really taking advantage of our system from that standpoint."

    "We are going to be looking very, very strongly, therefore, at welfare reform," Trump added.
    Trump didn't say when this roll out would happen but said he would announce his plan "shortly."

    More at: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politi...orm/index.html
    Isn't most of the "typical" welfare at the state level? It seems to me that most of the spending at the federal level is not "cutting a check to a poor family". The big three are SS, Medicare, and Military and then there's welfare at the corporate level like farm subsidies. But I didn't think there's too much individual welfare going on.

    Actually that's one thing I always wondered about Bill Clinton and the Republicans "End of Welfare as We Know It" reforms. Were they constitutional? It seems like the Fed was telling states how to run their welfare programs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Some people will never learn. Trump says all kinds of things...
    Like signing Rand's free market EO??
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    A significant portion of his base receives Obamacare subsidies... and now he has stopped those. just saying.
    Notice how TheCount was completely missing during the few days that was happening? Now he comes back and acts like it never happened two days later?? Really??
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Notice how TheCount was completely missing during the few days that was happening? Now he comes back and acts like it never happened two days later?? Really??
    Maybe @TheCount has a life?

    Some have wondered where dannno is while Trump is trying to escalate war with Iran.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    By God the news media is absolutely disgusting. The CSR payments to the insurance companies were not part of the law. Those were ended. The federal subsidies to lower the insurance premiums of lower income people, were part of the law and will continue.
    well that is disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Remember when Trump supporters disappear whenever he advocates and supports boondoggles?
    No..

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Maybe @TheCount has a life?

    Some have wondered where dannno is while Trump is trying to escalate war with Iran.
    But I do notice how anti-Trump folks like to make $#@! up..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No..



    But I do notice how anti-Trump folks like to make $#@! up..
    You mean like this $#@!?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...24#post6539924
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    A significant portion of his base receives Obamacare subsidies... and now he has stopped those. just saying.
    As @spudea mentioned, no, he did not. Individual and household/family subsidies for health care continue.

    Trump's health care plans have always been focused on lowering the cost of health care borne by the consumer, whether resulting from reforms or by additional government subsidy. He's repeatedly supported universal health care, and he encouraged the Senate to modify the House's bill to spend more. He knows that if any changes that he makes increase cost, his populist base will begin to howl. Luckily for him, he's got the Freedom Caucus which he can roll under the bus if necessary as the scapegoats for lack of "progress."
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    *dupe*
    Last edited by TheCount; 10-17-2017 at 10:19 AM.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Notice how TheCount was completely missing during the few days that was happening? Now he comes back and acts like it never happened two days later?? Really??
    Sorry, little busy here in Morocco. Next time I'll plan my vacation to be more convenient for posting....

    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Sorry, little busy here in Morocco. Next time I'll plan my vacation to be more convenient for posting....

    You didn't vacation in Texas?! What kind of American are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    No, the part about people "wondering where I am".

    I've already made it perfectly clear I don't agree with Trump on everything, but I don't see how Trump is any worse on Iran than Hillary.. and Hillary NEVER would have signed Rand's EO on health care, she NEVER would have tried lowering taxes, picked a Constitutional Supreme Court Justice or would try and reform and reduce welfare. She would be taking us in horrible directions in a million different ways, PLUS she would have been just as bad on foreign policy. Sorry, but there is a huge difference between these candidates, enough to where it actually matters, enough to where it is actually highly beneficial to have one person in office over the other. Sorry, but you were wrong. When you said that Trump being better than Hillary is no reason to be supportive of him, you were wrong. PERIOD.

    TheCount is on vacation in Morocco.. what a coinkeydink.. I went on vacation in the eastern sierras two weeks ago, the week that the Vegas shooting happened. I tried keeping up with the thread but wasn't really able to post much. That is one week I REALLY would have liked to be able to pay more attention to what was going on because I think there was some weird stuff going on, but I was trying to keep it to a minimum. TheCount takes his vacations when Rand convinces Trump to completely overhaul the health care system. Again, strange coinkeydink.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-17-2017 at 11:33 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post

    TheCount is on vacation in Morocco.. what a coinkeydink.. I went on vacation in the eastern sierras two weeks ago, the week that the Vegas shooting happened. I tried keeping up with the thread but wasn't really able to post much. That is one week I REALLY would have liked to be able to pay more attention to what was going on because I think there was some weird stuff going on, but I was trying to keep it to a minimum. TheCount takes his vacations when Rand convinces Trump to completely overhaul the health care system. Again, strange coinkeydink.
    The problem with TheCount is not that he was on vacation for a couple days, it's that he's been on vacation for 8 years from posting anything negative about democrats. Probably just a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, the part about people "wondering where I am".

    I've already made it perfectly clear I don't agree with Trump on everything, but I don't see how Trump is any worse on Iran than Hillary.. and Hillary NEVER would have signed Rand's EO on health care, she NEVER would have tried lowering taxes, picked a Constitutional Supreme Court Justice or would try and reform and reduce welfare. She would be taking us in horrible directions in a million different ways, PLUS she would have been just as bad on foreign policy. Sorry, but there is a huge difference between these candidates, enough to where it actually matters, enough to where it is actually highly beneficial to have one person in office over the other. Sorry, but you were wrong. When you said that Trump being better than Hillary is no reason to be supportive of him, you were wrong. PERIOD.

    TheCount is on vacation in Morocco.. what a coinkeydink.. I went on vacation in the eastern sierras two weeks ago, the week that the Vegas shooting happened. I tried keeping up with the thread but wasn't really able to post much. That is one week I REALLY would have liked to be able to pay more attention to what was going on because I think there was some weird stuff going on, but I was trying to keep it to a minimum. TheCount takes his vacations when Rand convinces Trump to completely overhaul the health care system. Again, strange coinkeydink.
    Can we PUHLEEESE get over the "Hillary would have been worse" $#@!?

    And I NEVER agreed that Trump was better in any way than Hilary. They are both dung heaps- just some here like one flavor of dung better than the other.

    I do not like EITHER. GOT IT?

    And nobody ever really dissed @TheCount, that I can recall, until he was obviously anti-Trump- before he was just fun sarcasm- now suddenly he's baaaaaad.
    There is no spoon.

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