Ron Paul in 2015 "I support black lives matter"

[jmdrake]

https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.

[r3volution 3.0]

https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.

Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.

[Ender]

Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.

Agree- hate gets us nowhere.

[Raginfridus]

... regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.

It was a good read until I got here.

Who are you talking about?

[jmdrake]

It was a good read until I got here.

Who are you talking about?

On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.

[Raginfridus]

On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.

Sorry, the "regularly scheduled" part.

[jmdrake]

Sorry, the "regularly scheduled" part.

Gotcha. It seems cyclical to me. No it's not "official" and I didn't mean to make it sound like that.

[r3volution 3.0]

On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but (per the Bannon bet thread) I took it that you denied that that camp was about racial identity politics.

[jmdrake]

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but (per the Bannon bet thread) I took it that you denied that that camp was about racial identity politics.

I haven't seen evidence that Bannon himself is a racist. I've looked for it. I have seen people on this forum who are clearly racists. Whenever someone uses a term like "white genocide" that person is engaging in right wing identity politics. People who support David Duke (and I've seen that here) are engaging in right wing identity politics. Bannon called the Charlottesville alt-right protesters "clowns." It was the $#@! Trump that said they were "good people."

[Origanalist]

I haven't seen evidence that Bannon himself is a racist. I've looked for it. I have seen people on this forum who are clearly racists. Whenever someone uses a term like "white genocide" that person is engaging in right wing identity politics. People who support David Duke (and I've seen that here) are engaging in right wing identity politics. Bannon called the Charlottesville alt-right protesters "clowns." It was the $#@! Trump that said they were "good people."

That is no longer true. I hate all this race based $#@! but you're just denying reality. There are people calling for it.

[Superfluous Man]

It was a good read until I got here.

Who are you talking about?

Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.

[r3volution 3.0]

Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.

They've been quiet lately.

When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.

[Raginfridus]

Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.

They've been quiet lately.

When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.

Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?

[Weston White]

Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?

Some say he is a genius, other an evil genius. He will deny any such allegations of course, he considers himself above such topiaries.

[r3volution 3.0]

Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?

Charlatan

http://www.fdrliberated.com/

[LibertyEagle]

They've been quiet lately.

When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.

At the point that the person who frequently advocates world government on this forum becomes "us", this forum should be shut down.

Luckily, it hasn't reached that point. Yet.

[Natural Citizen]

https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.

It was a good read until I got here.

Who are you talking about?

We have a growing demographic of anti-American, right-wing extremists, working in opposition to the site mission. Because libertarianism permits for their presence, they tend to congregate in libertarian circles, though they do misrepresent it wholly. One of the most fundamental aspects of our mission-supporting activism efforts is valuing electoral politics and the legitimacy of the US constitution. One specific disruption that seems to be growing and consumes much of our time are the attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution. This undermines the site mission, to be clear.

You would be one of these peckerheads. Though there are others. For now.

As far as the Trump stuff, that's unavoidable. He's President.

[Raginfridus]

We have a growing demographic of anti-American, right-wing extremists, working in opposition to the site mission. One of the most fundamental aspects of our mission-supporting activism efforts is valuing electoral politics and the legitimacy of the US constitution. One specific disruption that seems to be growing and consumes much of our time are the attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution. This undermines the sit mission, to be clear.

You would be one of these peckerheads. Though there are others.

I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?


THE COMMISSAR NOTICED ME!!

[Natural Citizen]

Ha. No. You're not that competent.

It's just a hassle dealing with you people.

I wish Bryan would make up his mind what he's going to do, rebuild the place or let it be thrown in the can. Right now he's letting you cats pee all over it.

I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?

[Origanalist]

I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?


THE COMMISSAR NOTICED ME!!

Thanks for averting the eye of Sauron.

[Natural Citizen]

Thanks for averting the eye of Sauron.

You're another one.

Though, to your credit, and by your own admission, you never even heard the name Ron Paul 2012. lol.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

But in all honesty, I would love to hear what Ron has to say in 2017. . .

lots of water under the bridge since then. . . and lots of political hijackings of "causes"

[phill4paul]

I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.

[Origanalist]

I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.

/ thread

[juleswin]

My thing is this, if something is at a certain level of bad, I disregard the good they do and will not support them. Take for example, the neocons may sometimes want to kill terrorists trying to harm me(which is good) but I would never give them credit for anything because I think the bad they overwhelms the good.

This is the same way I see BLM, Stefan Molyneux, Alex Jones (probably explains why Ron Paul still gives that conman the time of day) etc etc.

[acptulsa]

My thing is this, if something is at a certain level of bad, I disregard the good they do and will not support them.

So, you're saying this meets that standard and Che Guevara doesn't?

[juleswin]

So, you're saying this meets that standard and Che Guevara doesn't?

Not even close. I love Che because he fought the evil of imperialism with all that he had and actually sacrificed himself in that goal. A lot of the dreadful things said about him were said by the evil imperialists and their talking head so it doesn't shock me that they are saying awful thing about the man and I don't necessarily believe what they say.

[AZJoe]

I love Che because he fought the evil of imperialism with all that he had and actually sacrificed himself in that goal.

Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.

There is no virtue in loving extreme evil because it opposed another wickedness.

“This is a man who banned music, burned books, hated blacks, was an anti-semite, murdered those who disagreed with him, personally oversaw execution squads, and was in charge of a system that imprisoned gays solely for the crime of being gay. … One or two good deeds does not make up for wholesale slaughter, imprisonment, suppression of individual freedom, and extremism. …
The type of man that will hold a gun to your head and pull the trigger unless you agree with him is not excused by the policies he is attempting to put in place, even if his desired ends are good. The type of man who will decide that you shouldn’t have the right to read what you want, and will destroy the books in your library to prevent competing ideas from spreading, is not fit to call himself human. It is animalistic. It is primitive. It is evil. … Che Guevara … was a murderous tyrant. … He deserves scorn, not respect. He was no different than the plantation owners in the south who lynched blacks because they believed they were defending their way of life. …" more

"He helped free Cubans from the repressive Batista regime, only to enslave them in a totalitarian police state worst than the last. He was Fidel Castro’s chief executioner, a mass-murderer ... As Guevara wrote to a friend in 1957, ‘My ideological training means that I am one of those people who believe that the solution to the world’s problems is to be found behind the Iron Curtain.’…He was a great admirer of the Cultural Revolution [in China]. ... ‘It was [Che Guevara] and not Fidel who in 1960 invented Cuba’s first corrective work camp,’ or what the Americans would call a slave labor camp and the Russians called the gulag.” more

“He vociferously opposed freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, protest, or any other rights not completely consistent with his North Korean-style communism. … Guevara fervently opposed any free elections? … Che was enraged when the Russians blinked during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis and withdrew their nuclear missiles … Guevara declar[ed] Cuba “a people ready to sacrifice itself to nuclear arms, that its ashes might serve as a basis for new societies.” … When put in charge of the Cuban economy at the start of Castro’s government, his uncompromising communist diktats ran it completely into the ground, from which it never recovered. …” more

“Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …” ché Guevara

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[Madison320]

Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.

There is no virtue in loving extreme evil because it opposed another wickedness.

The worst part is that the statism that Guevara likes is a direct cause of the thing he claims to oppose (imperialism).

It's like saying "I hate fat people but I wish everyone would eat cheesecake and pizza."

Actually imperialism is just another form of statism.

[P3ter_Griffin]

Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.

Ha! I think there is some great irony in this. In jules defense though, he ain't telling us to vote for Che (whoever the $#@! that is).