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    Default Ron Paul in 2015 "I support black lives matter"

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    I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

    Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

    I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

    I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

    Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

    I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
    Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    ... regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    But in all honesty, I would love to hear what Ron has to say in 2017. . .

    lots of water under the bridge since then. . . and lots of political hijackings of "causes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
    Sorry, the "regularly scheduled" part.
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.
    Agree- hate gets us nowhere.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
    Perhaps I've misunderstood, but (per the Bannon bet thread) I took it that you denied that that camp was about racial identity politics.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

    I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

    I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's right.

    ...not something we 2nd amendment supporters want to hear, but right.

    The idea that the 'oi polloi should have the same weaponry as the army is quite insane.

    ...a relic of well intended but irrational Enlightenment thinking about the nature of the people (can't work against their own interests, etc).

    The people should be armed so as to defend themselves from criminals, not so as to overthrow the government,

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    My thing is this, if something is at a certain level of bad, I disregard the good they do and will not support them. Take for example, the neocons may sometimes want to kill terrorists trying to harm me(which is good) but I would never give them credit for anything because I think the bad they overwhelms the good.

    This is the same way I see BLM, Stefan Molyneux, Alex Jones (probably explains why Ron Paul still gives that conman the time of day) etc etc.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    I'm sure he did and does as a matter of principle and not just as a slogan sometimes also used by some politicians to cultivate/promote tribalism, political agenda.

    BLM is a subset of ALM and individual subsets can be highlighted in the proper context to make a point, raise awareness etc. I'm certain his view of BLM/ALM is going to be much more logically consistent and libertarian principled in contrast to say someone like SWC "every stance based on political calculus" Hillary or someone like DGP Obama.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.

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    BLM was originally just something people started saying because a lot of people were victims of police brutality and were being killed on the streets for seemingly doing nothing but being at the wrong place at the wrong time. If it were lions getting shot people would say lions life's matter. Ron Paul will talk about whatever subject he thinks is hot or popular at the time, and even suggest he agrees to certain aspects of what the confused people are asking for even though they can't articulate or understand it- at the root which is liberty. Ron Paul translated: Yes I agree with BLM on the sentiment that we have to fight for liberty, for the dream, so that we may hope to live it some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    I disagree with this premise to a certain extent. Because in emphasizing the racial aspect you are contravening the very core of what the concern is supposed to rectifying. There should not be a BET, Congressional Black Caucus, affirmative action, BLM, etc. There is just discrimination, it is black and white. Individual racism, ethnic stereotyping, and caricaturing is not something that can just be legislated away--it is just part of nature to want remain within one's own flock, so to speak.

    Making the focus of the debate about black versus government is not correct, it is government versus individuality that is the crux of the matter.
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?
    Some say he is a genius, other an evil genius. He will deny any such allegations of course, he considers himself above such topiaries.
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


    Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?
    Charlatan

    http://www.fdrliberated.com/
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    So Molyneux's the MoarfeeusCoolDood99 to Laurence Fishburne's Morpheus? Gotcha.
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

    "And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them."
    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    ... But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.
    kinda the way I saw 'em initially, 'til their agenda took an ugly turn.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    So Molyneux's the MoarfeeusCoolDood99 to Laurence Fishburne's Morpheus? Gotcha.
    Yep. He has some value. I mean, even charlatans speak the truth some times. His pro gun philosophy is pretty sound. He has a fantastic quote exposing the hypocrisy of Antigun peoples.

    His peaceful parenting strategy is a load of $#@!. He apparently has never had a child with reactive attachment problems.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    kinda the way I saw 'em initially, 'til their agenda took an ugly turn.
    Who is this "they" though?

    No doubt there are people who say, "black lives matter," who have ugly agendas. But there are other people who say, "black lives matter," who do not.

    The thing about the slogan, "black lives matter," is that it's a true statement. Moreover, it's a statement that is too widely disbelieved, at least implicitly if not explicitly, as evidenced by a number of things that I shouldn't need to recite but could if need be, and so one that deserves to be reinforced by way of reminder.

    If it appears to be the case that the population of those who say, "black lives matter," is too heavily weighted toward people with ugly agendas, then it seems to me that the best course we who believe that black lives do matter and who do not have ugly agendas can follow is for ourselves to be more diligent to say, "black lives matter," so as to recalibrate that imbalance and have the "black lives matter" slogan come to be more associated with us who do not have ugly agendas than it is with those who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    I disagree with this premise to a certain extent. Because in emphasizing the racial aspect you are contravening the very core of what the concern is supposed to rectifying. There should not be a BET, Congressional Black Caucus, affirmative action, BLM, etc. There is just discrimination, it is black and white. Individual racism, ethnic stereotyping, and caricaturing is not something that can just be legislated away--it is just part of nature to want remain within one's own flock, so to speak.

    Making the focus of the debate about black versus government is not correct, it is government versus individuality that is the crux of the matter.
    But, it does serve the gov agenda to have people separated, classified, and fighting amongst themselves. Takes everyone's eye off of the Big Picture and what gov goals really are.
    There is no spoon.

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    Dr. Paul will always support the freedom to protest and to engage in civil disobedience even if its misguided.

    Although I dont know that BLM was necessarily protesting the specific issues that Dr. Paul mentions.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Yep. He has some value. I mean, even charlatans speak the truth some times. His pro gun philosophy is pretty sound. He has a fantastic quote exposing the hypocrisy of Antigun peoples.

    His peaceful parenting strategy is a load of $#@!. He apparently has never had a child with reactive attachment problems.
    True. When a liar's right 1/100 he's still right that one time, even if he is a liar.
    If freedom isn't free, it isn't liberty - its license.

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    - Joel Stein, LA TIMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.
    At the point that the person who frequently advocates world government on this forum becomes "us", this forum should be shut down.

    Luckily, it hasn't reached that point. Yet.
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    BLM was never about the things Dr. Paul agrees with.
    "There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    BLM was never about the things Dr. Paul agrees with.
    I believe that black lives matter and I support the things he agrees with.

    Does someone else who doesn't support those things get to say that they're the only person who believes that black lives matter or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post

    No doubt there are people who say, "black lives matter," who have ugly agendas. But there are other people who say, "black lives matter," who do not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    I believe that black lives matter and I support the things he agrees with.

    Does someone else who doesn't support those things get to say that they're the only person who believes that black lives matter or something?
    I have not seen one person who has been affiliated with the group espouse anything remotely close to views that relate to freedom. However, I have read their platform thoroughly, listened to their most visible spokesman Deray Mckesson, and seen how people associated with the group behave. Communism, looting, and stopping traffic aren't just differences of opinion. They are clearly wrong and anyone who supports them is wrong.

    It isn't a matter of a couple of bad apples. Just like there are no good white supremacists and Nazis, there are no good Black Lives Matter members.

    Even the superficial reason for the movement, cops shooting black people at a higher rate during confrontations, isn't even true. http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 The whole spark from "Hands up, Don't Shoot" never happened. The force the officer used in Ferguson was actually one example of the police using reasonable force. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9d4cb8971dbd

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