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    Ron Paul in 2015 "I support black lives matter"

    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

    I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

    Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

    I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

    I support the black lives matter movement. I have long advocated an end to the drug war, police militarization, and other threats to liberty that disproportionately victimize African-Americans. However, I wish some of the black lives matter movement’s passion and energy was directed to ending abortion. Unborn black lives also matter.

    Note that later Ron Paul went on to criticize the Black Lives Matter organization for its socialist agenda. But he was early on board with the idea that there is an alarming increase in police brutality and African Americans are disproportionately affected.

    I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
    Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Ron takes the right approach. Praise them for the good things they do (or, if they actually do no good things, for what one could take them to be trying to do on the most generous interpretation of their actions), and condemn the bad. It's strongly reminiscent of how Rand handles (and emphasize the word handles) Trump.
    Agree- hate gets us nowhere.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    ... regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
    Sorry, the "regularly scheduled" part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Sorry, the "regularly scheduled" part.
    Gotcha. It seems cyclical to me. No it's not "official" and I didn't mean to make it sound like that.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    On which part? The Trump worship or the right wing identity politics? We have both. Not the majority mind you, but a vocal minority.
    Perhaps I've misunderstood, but (per the Bannon bet thread) I took it that you denied that that camp was about racial identity politics.



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Perhaps I've misunderstood, but (per the Bannon bet thread) I took it that you denied that that camp was about racial identity politics.
    I haven't seen evidence that Bannon himself is a racist. I've looked for it. I have seen people on this forum who are clearly racists. Whenever someone uses a term like "white genocide" that person is engaging in right wing identity politics. People who support David Duke (and I've seen that here) are engaging in right wing identity politics. Bannon called the Charlottesville alt-right protesters "clowns." It was the $#@! Trump that said they were "good people."
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I haven't seen evidence that Bannon himself is a racist. I've looked for it. I have seen people on this forum who are clearly racists. Whenever someone uses a term like "white genocide" that person is engaging in right wing identity politics. People who support David Duke (and I've seen that here) are engaging in right wing identity politics. Bannon called the Charlottesville alt-right protesters "clowns." It was the $#@! Trump that said they were "good people."
    That is no longer true. I hate all this race based $#@! but you're just denying reality. There are people calling for it.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Stick around and you'll see plenty of those.
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?
    Some say he is a genius, other an evil genius. He will deny any such allegations of course, he considers himself above such topiaries.
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Who is this Molyneux? Is he person or persona?
    Charlatan

    http://www.fdrliberated.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    They've been quiet lately.

    When Molyneux comes out with reality v10.06., explaining it all as an Xd chess move, they'll be back to regurgitate it at us.
    At the point that the person who frequently advocates world government on this forum becomes "us", this forum should be shut down.

    Luckily, it hasn't reached that point. Yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/r...-lives-matter/

    I will now return this forum to its regularly scheduled Trump worship and right wing identity politics.
    It was a good read until I got here.

    Who are you talking about?
    We have a growing demographic of anti-American, right-wing extremists, working in opposition to the site mission. Because libertarianism permits for their presence, they tend to congregate in libertarian circles, though they do misrepresent it wholly. One of the most fundamental aspects of our mission-supporting activism efforts is valuing electoral politics and the legitimacy of the US constitution. One specific disruption that seems to be growing and consumes much of our time are the attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution. This undermines the site mission, to be clear.

    You would be one of these peckerheads. Though there are others. For now.

    As far as the Trump stuff, that's unavoidable. He's President.
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 10-23-2017 at 10:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natural Citizen View Post
    We have a growing demographic of anti-American, right-wing extremists, working in opposition to the site mission. One of the most fundamental aspects of our mission-supporting activism efforts is valuing electoral politics and the legitimacy of the US constitution. One specific disruption that seems to be growing and consumes much of our time are the attempts to undermine the value of electoral politics or the legitimacy of the US constitution. This undermines the sit mission, to be clear.

    You would be one of these peckerheads. Though there are others.
    I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?


    THE COMMISSAR NOTICED ME!!


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    Ha. No. You're not that competent.

    It's just a hassle dealing with you people.

    I wish Bryan would make up his mind what he's going to do, rebuild the place or let it be thrown in the can. Right now he's letting you cats pee all over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 10-23-2017 at 10:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    I've been promoted from can't be taken seriously to saboteur of the people's republic over night?


    THE COMMISSAR NOTICED ME!!

    Thanks for averting the eye of Sauron.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Thanks for averting the eye of Sauron.
    You're another one.

    Though, to your credit, and by your own admission, you never even heard the name Ron Paul 2012. lol.

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    But in all honesty, I would love to hear what Ron has to say in 2017. . .

    lots of water under the bridge since then. . . and lots of political hijackings of "causes"

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    I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

    I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I was too. As I was regarding Occupy. BLM and Occupy were both COINTEL/INFIL really quickly and in retrospect may have been created, much like ANTIFA.

    I am a fan of civil disobedience. I think the Bundy's were absolutely right in Bunkerville, but absolutely wrong in Malhuer. But, there comes a point where you realize that it is not organic anymore and it is being controlled.
    / thread
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.



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    My thing is this, if something is at a certain level of bad, I disregard the good they do and will not support them. Take for example, the neocons may sometimes want to kill terrorists trying to harm me(which is good) but I would never give them credit for anything because I think the bad they overwhelms the good.

    This is the same way I see BLM, Stefan Molyneux, Alex Jones (probably explains why Ron Paul still gives that conman the time of day) etc etc.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    My thing is this, if something is at a certain level of bad, I disregard the good they do and will not support them.
    So, you're saying this meets that standard and Che Guevara doesn't?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron is wrong...
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    Amash is wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, you're saying this meets that standard and Che Guevara doesn't?
    Not even close. I love Che because he fought the evil of imperialism with all that he had and actually sacrificed himself in that goal. A lot of the dreadful things said about him were said by the evil imperialists and their talking head so it doesn't shock me that they are saying awful thing about the man and I don't necessarily believe what they say.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I love Che because he fought the evil of imperialism with all that he had and actually sacrificed himself in that goal.
    Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.

    There is no virtue in loving extreme evil because it opposed another wickedness.

    “This is a man who banned music, burned books, hated blacks, was an anti-semite, murdered those who disagreed with him, personally oversaw execution squads, and was in charge of a system that imprisoned gays solely for the crime of being gay. … One or two good deeds does not make up for wholesale slaughter, imprisonment, suppression of individual freedom, and extremism. …
    The type of man that will hold a gun to your head and pull the trigger unless you agree with him is not excused by the policies he is attempting to put in place, even if his desired ends are good. The type of man who will decide that you shouldn’t have the right to read what you want, and will destroy the books in your library to prevent competing ideas from spreading, is not fit to call himself human. It is animalistic. It is primitive. It is evil. … Che Guevara … was a murderous tyrant. … He deserves scorn, not respect. He was no different than the plantation owners in the south who lynched blacks because they believed they were defending their way of life. …" more

    "He helped free Cubans from the repressive Batista regime, only to enslave them in a totalitarian police state worst than the last. He was Fidel Castro’s chief executioner, a mass-murderer ... As Guevara wrote to a friend in 1957, ‘My ideological training means that I am one of those people who believe that the solution to the world’s problems is to be found behind the Iron Curtain.’…He was a great admirer of the Cultural Revolution [in China]. ... ‘It was [Che Guevara] and not Fidel who in 1960 invented Cuba’s first corrective work camp,’ or what the Americans would call a slave labor camp and the Russians called the gulag.” more

    “He vociferously opposed freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, protest, or any other rights not completely consistent with his North Korean-style communism. … Guevara fervently opposed any free elections? … Che was enraged when the Russians blinked during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis and withdrew their nuclear missiles … Guevara declar[ed] Cuba “a people ready to sacrifice itself to nuclear arms, that its ashes might serve as a basis for new societies.” … When put in charge of the Cuban economy at the start of Castro’s government, his uncompromising communist diktats ran it completely into the ground, from which it never recovered. …” more

    “Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …” ché Guevara

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.

    There is no virtue in loving extreme evil because it opposed another wickedness.
    The worst part is that the statism that Guevara likes is a direct cause of the thing he claims to oppose (imperialism).

    It's like saying "I hate fat people but I wish everyone would eat cheesecake and pizza."

    Actually imperialism is just another form of statism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Very disappointed in juleswin. "Loves" an anti-liberty, anti-freedom, pro-statist, pro-marxist, pro-totalitarian, mass murderer. You don't have to believe others, you need only read Che's own writings, his recorded words and actions. There is no excuse. It is intentional willful ignorance.
    Ha! I think there is some great irony in this. In jules defense though, he ain't telling us to vote for Che (whoever the $#@! that is).

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