Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Prominent neoconservative shill calls for repeal of 2nd Amendment

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1

    Default Prominent neoconservative shill calls for repeal of 2nd Amendment

    Repeal the Second Amendment
    By Bret Stephens - OCT. 5, 2017

    I have never understood the conservative fetish for the Second Amendment.

    From a law-and-order standpoint, more guns means more murder. “States with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” noted one exhaustive 2013 study in the American Journal of Public Health.

    From a personal-safety standpoint, more guns means less safety. The F.B.I. counted a total of 268 “justifiable homicides” by private citizens involving firearms in 2015; that is, felons killed in the course of committing a felony. Yet that same year, there were 489 “unintentional firearms deaths” in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Between 77 and 141 of those killed were children.

    From a national-security standpoint, the Amendment’s suggestion that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State,” is quaint. The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.

    From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious. The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?
    ...
    More: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/o...dment-nra.html
    Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2

    Default

    From a personal liberty standpoint, the idea that an armed citizenry is the ultimate check on the ambitions and encroachments of government power is curious. The Whiskey Rebellion of the 1790s, the New York draft riots of 1863, the coal miners’ rebellion of 1921, the Brink’s robbery of 1981 — does any serious conservative think of these as great moments in Second Amendment activism?
    I don't know about the 3rd item in his list but the two I underlined should have monuments to them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  4. #3

    Default

    The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.
    Yeah those are the dictators we are worried about .......

  5. #4

    Default

    Come And Take Them, Bret Stephens

    The idea that gun-control advocates don’t want to confiscate your weapons is, of course, laughable. They can’t confiscate your weapons, so they support whatever feasible incremental steps inch further towards that goal. Some folks are more considerate and get right to the point.
    ...
    I mean, Stephens isn’t contending Americans shouldn’t own five AR-15s. He’s arguing that the state should be able to come to your house and take away your revolver or your shotgun or even your matchlock musket. Stephens might as well have written “Eww, guns take them away!” and left it that, but instead he offers debunked arguments and misleading statements that are likely borne out of the frustration of knowing his position is untenable.
    ...
    More: http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/05/...bret-stephens/
    Twitter: B4Liberty@USAB4L
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  6. #5

    Default

    From a national-security standpoint, the Amendment’s suggestion that a “well-regulated militia” is “necessary to the security of a free State,” is quaint. The Minutemen that will deter Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un are based in missile silos in Minot, N.D., not farmhouses in Lexington, Mass.
    And what about the Minutemen that will deter you and your ilk, Bret? Where are they based?

  7. #6

    Default

    A "fetish", really? So, then what is your fetish with the First Amendment, dip-wad "reporter"?

    The Brinks robbery was committed by the BLA, who were in now way conservative.

    Gun violence is not respective to gun ownership, but poverty and ghettoizing.

    Yes, it is a sad reality that thousands upon thousands of people die each year due to varying causes, as well others are saved or spared too.

    A nation cannot defeat another nation by missile strikes alone, a boots on the ground invasion must ensue.
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


    Consilio et Animis de Oppresso Liber

  8. #7

    Default

    Sure thing.

    Get it repealed by 3/4 of the states.

    Good luck with that.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

  9. #8

    Thumbs up

    Bret Stephens has been staring out the Overton Window from his posh echo chamber his entire career, as far back as I can search; he might as well be a random op generator and not a critical, skeptical mind. I sent him some love via twitter, because he's vewy scayewd Trump will crack down on the MSM. I comforted his conscience that the Tyrant's rage is simply karma for plunging us into limitless, unconditional war with the world and ourselves. That instead of Daniel Pearl, "free speech" definitively died with Gary Webb (sense he's a fellow of some Daniel Pearl foundation).

    I also asked what his fetish is with missiles and standing armies... how much collateral have we taken for persecuting the global wars on crime, drugs, and terror... Basically echoing our thoughts, and using some of our excellent libertarian memes from @Origanalist to embarrass himself in front of his liberal and conservative followers. He'll never read them, but somebody will. Its all good guys lol
    Last edited by Raginfridus; 10-06-2017 at 12:56 PM.
    They fought the Wars
    They lost.
    They turned friends
    into enemies.
    Who became
    friends of our enemies.
    They stood alone, in splendid isolation,
    And said it was their only choice.

  10. #9

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Another NYT/Syria intervention hawk was the first to call for arms controls bans inside US.

    Could the neocons be cencerned that there would be no more guns left to be sent for freedom spread projects in Syria, Benghazi, Iraq etc if more Americans got guns at home?


    If so, their concerns won't be grounded in reality.






Similar Threads

  1. Repeal Second Amendment
    By aGameOfThrones in forum Second Amendment
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-03-2014, 06:23 AM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-27-2012, 10:55 PM
  3. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-06-2011, 10:55 AM
  4. Should We Repeal the 17th Amendment?
    By FrankRep in forum U.S. Constitution
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 06-10-2010, 06:34 AM
  5. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 10-27-2009, 02:22 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •