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    Angry NRA Caves On "Bump Fire Stocks," Says They Should Be "Subject To Additional Regulations"

    Following the tragic events in Las Vegas, which were seemingly made even worse by a product that most people didn't even know existed a couple of days ago, and ramped-up calls for new gun restrictions from Democrats, the National Rifle Association has just caved and called for "additional regulations" on "bump fire stocks" which effectively serve to allow semi-automatic weapons to function as fully-automatic.

    Here is the full statement from the NRA:


    "In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented."

    "Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world.


    In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.


    "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."


    "In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities."



    "To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence."
    More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...al-regulations
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    Many lives will be saved. Approximately 3 full schoolbuses of children, IMO. If not more.
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    One of the dealers who sold the Vegas shooter said that hardly anybody buys them anymore (though the publicity from this shooting may cause a new demand spike).
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    Of course they did. About when did the NRA flip to propaganda for fake-o Neocons, instead of a watchdog for the second amendment?

    Thats one I've been looking into for a couple years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Of course they did. About when did the NRA flip to propaganda for fake-o Neocons, instead of a watchdog for the second amendment?

    Thats one I've been looking into for a couple years...
    They were started by Yankee generals, so they were undoubtedly corrupt from the very beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They were started by Yankee generals, so they were undoubtedly corrupt from the very beginning.
    When did they become the Playboy for Neocons though?

    Gentlemen please, I believe the correct nomenclature is slide fire and not bump fire. :P



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    Last edited by Raginfridus; 10-05-2017 at 02:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Of course they did. About when did the NRA flip to propaganda for fake-o Neocons, instead of a watchdog for the second amendment?
    I think they've been sellouts for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Of course they did. About when did the NRA flip to propaganda for fake-o Neocons, instead of a watchdog for the second amendment?
    At least since 1934 when they helped write the National Firearms Act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    At least since 1934 when they helped write the National Firearms Act.
    Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raginfridus View Post
    Of course they did. About when did the NRA flip to propaganda for fake-o Neocons, instead of a watchdog for the second amendment?

    Thats one I've been looking into for a couple years...
    They've actually never been Constitutionalists. They were set up to teach Yankee kids how to shoot after the war because southerners had whipped their butts when it came to marksmanship.
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    And obviously these aren't protected by the 2nd amendment, because noone needs a bump-fire weapon for hunting and/or Olympic target shooting, which is what the 2nd amendment is intended to protect
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    Who cares? No professional shooter or soldier wants fully automatic fire. Hell in Vietnam they originally deployed M16s that were fully automatic. They found that they wasted so many rounds and didn't hit $#@! that they transitioned to 3 round burst.

    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Who cares? No professional shooter or soldier wants fully automatic fire. Hell in Vietnam they originally deployed M16s that were fully automatic. They found that they wasted so many rounds and didn't hit $#@! that they transitioned to 3 round burst.

    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
    It's called cover fire, not every soldier needs it but it is useful, that is why the army issues LMGs, MMGs, and HMGs to some of the troops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's called cover fire, not every soldier needs it but it is useful, that is why the army issues LMGs, MMGs, and HMGs to some of the troops.
    Yeah no $#@!. I was infantry in the army. Bump stocks should never have been legal in the first place. Fully automatic weapons have no place domestically. Not even FBI HRT teams have fully automatic weapons. No law enforcement, local, state, or federal has them and neither should Joe Dip$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Yeah no $#@!. I was infantry in the army. Bump stocks should never have been legal in the first place. Fully automatic weapons have no place domestically. Not even FBI HRT teams have fully automatic weapons. No law enforcement, local, state, or federal has them and neither should Joe Dip$#@!.
    THE PRIMARY PURPOSE of the 2nd Amendment is to allow a 2nd Revolution against tyranny, the people MUST be allowed weapons of war.

    We have a LONG way to go to not only repeal gun laws but also legalize other weapons.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 10-05-2017 at 05:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Yeah no $#@!. I was infantry in the army. Bump stocks should never have been legal in the first place. Fully automatic weapons have no place domestically. Not even FBI HRT teams have fully automatic weapons. No law enforcement, local, state, or federal has them and neither should Joe Dip$#@!.
    I much prefer the thought of Joe Dip$#@! having better weapons than the government than vice-versa
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Yeah no $#@!. I was infantry in the army. Bump stocks should never have been legal in the first place. Fully automatic weapons have no place domestically. Not even FBI HRT teams have fully automatic weapons. No law enforcement, local, state, or federal has them and neither should Joe Dip$#@!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Yeah no $#@!. I was infantry in the army. Bump stocks should never have been legal in the first place. Fully automatic weapons have no place domestically. Not even FBI HRT teams have fully automatic weapons. No law enforcement, local, state, or federal has them and neither should Joe Dip$#@!.
    Youre just simply wrong.

    Anyone should own whatever they choose to own.

    Civilians/the militia should be better armed than agents of the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    Youre just simply wrong.

    Anyone should own whatever they choose to own.

    Civilians/the militia should be better armed than agents of the State.
    We can agree to disagree. I don't think just anyone should be able to have Stinger Missiles, F16 Fighter Jets, Battleships, Nukes, or any of the other advanced weapons of war. You and I disagree on where the line is drawn. I state those things above to demonstrate the principle. I think there is a court case that spell it out somewhere, hat tip to anyone that can find it, but the 2nd amendment applies to the standard modern infantry rifle, in this case an M4/M16 platform semi-automatic rifle with single/3-round burst options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Who cares? No professional shooter or soldier wants fully automatic fire. Hell in Vietnam they originally deployed M16s that were fully automatic. They found that they wasted so many rounds and didn't hit $#@! that they transitioned to 3 round burst.

    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
    The principle is the same.

    Whether its a firearm or an accessory, the anti-gunners are blaming an inanimate object, not an individual, in their never ending quest to disarm the American public.

    We cant give them an inch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    The principle is the same.

    Whether its a firearm or an accessory, the anti-gunners are blaming an inanimate object, not an individual, in their never ending quest to disarm the American public.

    We cant give them an inch.
    This!

    Not an inch, no retreat and to hell with those who say "this isn't the hill to die on".

    If you give the Bolshevik left this one thing, they will smell the blood in the water and push for more and more Draconian gun control going forward, up to and including attacks and shootings designed to push the agenda forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This!

    Not an inch, no retreat and to hell with those who say "this isn't the hill to die on".

    If you give the Bolshevik left this one thing, they will smell the blood in the water and push for more and more Draconian gun control going forward, up to and including attacks and shootings designed to push the agenda forward.
    Whats the difference between banning a stock, a magazine or a firearm?

    None of these items are capable of doing anything on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Who cares? No professional shooter or soldier wants fully automatic fire. Hell in Vietnam they originally deployed M16s that were fully automatic. They found that they wasted so many rounds and didn't hit $#@! that they transitioned to 3 round burst.

    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
    You should care because banning bump stocks will not stop someone from going full auto and full auto is scary to the gun grabbers. Eventually the push will be to ban anything that can be made full auto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Who cares? No professional shooter or soldier wants fully automatic fire. Hell in Vietnam they originally deployed M16s that were fully automatic. They found that they wasted so many rounds and didn't hit $#@! that they transitioned to 3 round burst.

    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
    No professional shooter would need it as it's purpose does not serve their need and every soldier would like it as another tool in their shed. There are two specific purposes for fully automatic fire. It is used as suppression fire to allow team mates to advance on a target. Whether to use an explosive or to allow a more advantageous shot. It is used in the face of overwhelming numbers in the event of a riot.
    They should not deny bump stocks anymore than the should regulate all full auto rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    I am fine if they get rid of 'bump stocks'.
    Why do you hate the 2nd Amendment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Why do you hate the 2nd Amendment?
    Really? I hope you're being sarcastic. Because I promise you I own more firearms than just about anybody that posts here.
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    Really? I hope you're being sarcastic. Because I promise you I own more firearms than just about anybody that posts here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamp View Post
    All Kinds?
    I own many Semi Auto rifles, Bolt Action Rifles, Pistols, Shotguns, and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jllundqu View Post
    Really? I hope you're being sarcastic. Because I promise you I own more firearms than just about anybody that posts here.
    The amount of guns you own has nothing to do with your (lack of) support for the 2nd Amendment.

    You want to ban firearms accessories, therefore you don't support the 2nd Amendment. It's really just that simple.
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