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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    My experience with the ACLU has always been positive. They have been very supportive of religious orgs and their rights.
    They are the first organization I think of when I think hostility toward religion. In what way are they supportive of religious institutions? They want to force nuns to pay for contraception.

    I am an atheist. But I can tell you, I support the Hobby Lobby decision, school choice, am fine with the Ten Commandments in public places, having God in the pledge, and don't think Christian bakers should be forced to bake cakes. The ACLU takes the other side of all of those issues because of their hostility toward religion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't need personal experience, their record is clear, a few anomalous exceptions are to be expected in any organization but the ACLU is a dedicated communist organization intent on destroying Christianity and the Constitution.
    I agree, they are subversive, disguised as a "rights" organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    STOP TRYING TO DEFEND THE AMERICAN COMMUNIST LAWYERS UNION.
    TLDR; But they came to the aid of several members during the 2007 campaign. My biggest beef with them is that they don't take 2nd Amendment cases, 'cos that's a civil liberty too.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    TLDR; But they came to the aid of several members during the 2007 campaign. My biggest beef with them is that they don't take 2nd Amendment cases, 'cos that's a civil liberty too.
    The short version:

    Roger Baldwin's candid vision:
    I am for socialism, disarmament, and, ultimately, for abolishing the state itself... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.
    Ironic, isn't it? So much for "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." By combining straightforward segments from each ACLU rendering we arrive with an accurate portrayal. One that cuts through the doublespeak:
    The ACLU is...working daily in courts, legislatures and communities. Communism is the goal.
    More at: https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/j-matt-...communism-goal

    The group fights tooth and nail for abortion rights, for example, despite the lack of any clearly stated right to abortion in the Constitution, because the Democratic Party and the left in general are pro-abortion. They refuse to support gun rights, even though a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms is clearly spelled out in the Second Amendment, because Democrats and liberals opposed gun rights.


    They bring lawsuits to force state governments to give bigger welfare checks to the prolific poor. They call on the federal government to regulate the compensation businesses pay their employees.
    When malcontent feminists tried to force a privately owned country club to change its admission policies through public protests, media campaigns, and punitive lawsuits targeted at the club’s members, a truly non-partisan civil rights group would have defended the club’s right of association. The ACLU apparently values political correctness over Constitutional rights; they joined the feminists in trying to pressure the club to change its policies.
    More at: http://historyhalf.com/the-real-history-of-the-aclu/

    An ACLU-crafted Consent Decree has been used as a weapon to threaten school district employees with fines and jail time for merely praying over a meal, and for exercising -- even while away from school -- their sincerely held Christian faith. You read that right. The ACLU is literally seeking to criminalize Christianity.
    In August of 2009, Liberty Counsel successfully defended staff member Michelle Winkler from contempt charges brought by the ACLU after her husband, who is not even employed by the district, offered a meal prayer at a privately sponsored event in a neighboring county.
    Liberty Counsel also successfully defended Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and Athletic Director Robert Freeman against criminal contempt charges, after the ACLU sought to have the men thrown in jail for blessing a lunch meal served to about 20 adult booster club members.
    Under the Consent Decree teachers are considered to be acting in their "official capacity" anytime a student is present, even at private functions off campus.
    Liberty Counsel describes this unconstitutional decree:
    Teachers cannot pray, bow their heads, or fold their hands to show agreement with anyone who does pray. Teachers and staff cannot 'Reply' to an email sent by a parent if the parent's email refers to God or Scripture. Teachers either have to delete such references from the original email or reply by initiating a new email. Teachers and staff are also required to stop students from praying in their own private club meetings.
    During witness testimony, Mrs. Winkler sobbed as she described how she and a coworker, who had recently lost a child, literally had to hide in a closet to pray.
    More at: https://townhall.com/columnists/matt...-goal-n1167720
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    They are the first organization I think of when I think hostility toward religion. In what way are they supportive of religious institutions? They want to force nuns to pay for contraception.

    I am an atheist. But I can tell you, I support the Hobby Lobby decision, school choice, am fine with the Ten Commandments in public places, having God in the pledge, and don't think Christian bakers should be forced to bake cakes. The ACLU takes the other side of all of those issues because of their hostility toward religion.
    I never said they were perfect- only that I have experienced their help in some religious matters dealing with zoning and private property stuff that fell under The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.

    Here is the ACLU's site on religious matters:

    The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” As enshrined in the First Amendment, religious freedom includes two complementary protections: the right to religious belief and expression and a guarantee that the government neither prefers religion over non-religion nor favors particular faiths over others. These dual protections work hand in hand, allowing religious liberty to thrive and safeguarding both religion and government from the undue influences of the other.
    https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

    Here is a site specifically about ACLU helping different religious orgs and individuals. If you go to the site you can click the links.

    http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

    THE ACLU FIGHTS FOR CHRISTIANS

    The ACLU fights just as hard for INDIVIDUAL free exercise of religion as the ACLU fights against GOVERNMENT endorsement, sponsorship, or establishment of religion. Despite this fact, many people spread misinformation about the ACLU around the internet, innocently and maliciously, falsely claiming the ACLU is anti-religion or anti-Christian.

    This list of FACTS counteracts that misinformation. These links represent just a few of the many examples of the ACLU defending the free speech and free exercise rights of Christians (for purposes of this list, the word “Christian” means a person who self-identifies as “Christian”).

    In every example, the ACLU is defending the right of a Christian to speak as a Christian or to practice Christianity.

    Here is the current version of this EVER GROWING list:

    ACLU Fights For Christian Denied TN Scholarship For Attending Worship Sevice During Mandatory Meeting

    ACLU Wins Right Of Christian to Read Bible in TN Public School

    ACLU of Colorado Supports Students Wearing Christian Symbols in the Colorado Springs School District

    ACLU-NJ Defends Christian Student's Anti-Abortion Speech

    ACLU of Tennessee Defends Christian Students' Right to Preach in Public Park

    ACLU of Virginia Defends Christian Students' Right to Protest Against ACLU at Public School

    ACLU Defends Christian Students Wearing Anti-Islam Shirts to Florida Public School

    ACLU Fights For Christian Inmate's Right to Preach

    ACLU of Northern California Fights Law that Got Quakers Fired Over Loyalty Oath

    ACLU Defends Christian Librarian Disciplined for Refusing to Promote Harry Potter

    ACLU Defends Right of Individual Christian to Display Nativity Scene on Public Property

    ACLU Defends Christians Protesting Gay Rights in Florida

    ACLU Champions Religious Freedom Of Mormon College Student

    ACLU Fights for Christian Church's Mission to Feed the Poor

    ACLU Fights for Christmas Tree

    ACLU Files Suit to Protect Free Speech Rights of Christian Protesting Wal-Mart's Policy on Gays

    ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit

    ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

    ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

    ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show

    After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

    ACLU Helps Free New Mexico Street Preacher From Prison

    ACLU of WA Wins Right of Christian Minister to Preach in Spokane Plaza

    ACLU Fights for Baptist Preacher in Illinois

    ACLU Defends Rights of Christian Group to Make Religious Protest at Funerals

    ACLU Backs Christian Abortion Protester in Ohio

    ACLU of Oregon Defends Religious Liberty Of Adventist School Boys Basketball Players

    ACLU Backs Missouri Nurse Penalized for Wearing Cross-Shaped Lapel Pin

    ACLU Defends Christian Street Preacher in Las Vegas

    ACLU Argues for Legal Recognition of Small Christian Church

    ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages

    ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

    ACLU Defends Church's Right to Run "Anti-Santa" Ads in Boston Subways

    ACLU Defends Inmate's Access to Material from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

    Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

    ACLU Defends Families Fighting Removal Of Religious Symbols from Florida Cemetery

    ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School

    ACLU Argument In Support of the Display of a Christian Cross in a Public Forum

    ACLU Defends Christian Worker Required to Remove Bible from Desk at Government Job

    ACLU Defends Free Speech Rights of Christians And Others On Main Street Plaza

    ACLU Defends Prisoner's Rosary Beads

    ACLU Defends Christian Group's Anti-Abortion Ads On Phoenix Buses

    ACLU Pledges to Back Church in a Zoning Battle

    ACLU of PA Files Discrimination Lawsuit Over Denial of Zoning Permit for African American Baptist Church

    ACLU Offers To Represent Private Prayer on Public Property and

    ACLU Joins Falwell To Fight For Church Incorporation Rights
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I never said they were perfect- only that I have experienced their help in some religious matters dealing with zoning and private property stuff that fell under The Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act.

    Here is the ACLU's site on religious matters:



    https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

    Here is a site specifically about ACLU helping different religious orgs and individuals. If you go to the site you can click the links.

    http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
    It's called a "cover story".


    An ACLU-crafted Consent Decree has been used as a weapon to threaten school district employees with fines and jail time for merely praying over a meal, and for exercising -- even while away from school -- their sincerely held Christian faith. You read that right. The ACLU is literally seeking to criminalize Christianity.
    In August of 2009, Liberty Counsel successfully defended staff member Michelle Winkler from contempt charges brought by the ACLU after her husband, who is not even employed by the district, offered a meal prayer at a privately sponsored event in a neighboring county.
    Liberty Counsel also successfully defended Pace High School Principal Frank Lay and Athletic Director Robert Freeman against criminal contempt charges, after the ACLU sought to have the men thrown in jail for blessing a lunch meal served to about 20 adult booster club members.
    Under the Consent Decree teachers are considered to be acting in their "official capacity" anytime a student is present, even at private functions off campus.
    Liberty Counsel describes this unconstitutional decree:
    Teachers cannot pray, bow their heads, or fold their hands to show agreement with anyone who does pray. Teachers and staff cannot 'Reply' to an email sent by a parent if the parent's email refers to God or Scripture. Teachers either have to delete such references from the original email or reply by initiating a new email. Teachers and staff are also required to stop students from praying in their own private club meetings.
    During witness testimony, Mrs. Winkler sobbed as she described how she and a coworker, who had recently lost a child, literally had to hide in a closet to pray.
    More at: https://townhall.com/columnists/matt...-goal-n1167720
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I remember the ACLU taking only two gun cases and those were at the state level. I don't however, keep up with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by lilymc View Post
    I'm surprised to hear anyone say that, it seems to me that the opposite is true. A friend of mine did a mini–documentary on this topic, back in 2005.

    Figures, of course they take sides. Everybody's got their preferences, ACLU included. Some chapters might be consistent, some corrupt. As for the board, I'm sure they've got an agenda of their own.
    Last edited by Raginfridus; 10-05-2017 at 07:50 PM.
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    The name itself is a misnomer. Civil Liberties? How about Constitutional Rights?
    The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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