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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    Ok. At the beginning of the video, for maybe the first 2 minutes, the car is stationary. At :07, you hear faint shots. Listen to how loud the shots are at :11. Very loud. And then, right after that, you hear what sounds like an echo. Faint.

    Then, at :52, a burst of faint gunfire. The official story is that there was 1 "gunman", right? does it really take 45 seconds for an echo? At :11, very loud gunfire, and what sounds like an echo. At :52 - with no moving - faint gunfire, followed by an equally faint echo. If the "gunshots" are coming from one place, and the camera, to this point, is in one place, how is it that the sounds at :11 are loud, and the sounds at :52 are faint? cabdriver at :56 "it sounds like it's coming from farther away".

    This points to multiple "shooters" or noise sources. If one is loud and one is faint and the camera is the same, they're from different places.
    He might have switched windows. The windows are on different faces of the building. The volume would be different.

    Whether the difference would be enough to explain that audio I don't know.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.



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    From Drudge

    Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed anti-anxiety drug in June

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...-drug-in-june/

    Stephen Paddock, who killed at least 58 people and wounded hundreds more in Las Vegas on Sunday with high-powered rifles, was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has learned.
    Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21.
    A woman who answered the phone at Winkler’s office would not make him available to answer questions and would neither confirm nor deny that Paddock was ever a patient.
    Paddock purchased the drug — its brand name is Valium — without insurance at a Walgreens store in Reno on the same day it was prescribed. He was supposed to take one pill a day.
    Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodiazepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam can also trigger psychotic experiences, according to drugabuse.com.

    “If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”
    Pohl, who spoke to the Review-Journal from the Netherlands, said the effects of the drug also can be magnified by alcohol.
    A 2015 study published in World Psychiatry of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide showed that their odds of killing were 45 percent higher during time periods when they were on benzodiazepines.
    A year earlier, the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry published a study titled, “Benzodiazepine Use and Aggressive Behavior.” The authors wrote: “It appears that benzodiazepine use is moderately associated with subsequent aggressive behavior.”

    Dr. Michael First, a clinical psychiatry professor at Columbia University and expert on benzodiazepines, said the Finnish study speaks for itself. But he also told the Review-Journal on Tuesday that he believes the drugs would be more likely to fuel impulsive aggression than premeditated behavior.
    “What this man in Las Vegas did was very planned,” he noted, referring to reports that Paddock sneaked an arsenal of weapons into the Mandalay Bay and placed cameras inside and outside his room before launching his attack.
    Why was it prescribed?
    First said it would be important to discover why Paddock was prescribed the drug.
    “That may have more to do with why he did what he did,” First said.

    The Nevada state monitoring report also noted that Winkler prescribed 50 10-milligram tablets of diazepam to Paddock in 2016. He also filled that prescription the day it was written, this time at Evergreen Drugs in Henderson. It was for two tablets a day.
    Questions have long swirled around whether psychiatric drugs are linked to mass school shootings in the United States, though researchers have yet to find a definitive connections, despite several studies.
    Critics of unscientific linkage in the news media and on social media between psychiatric drugs and violence say it stigmatizes those who benefit from their use. That, in turn, can make people quit using medications that can actually be lifesavers, they say.

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    Regarding the flashing light on the lower floor, I saw this posted on Reddit. This video was supposed to have been taken a couple of hours before the shooting, and you can see flashing on the lower floor.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BZwofXcgzh9/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    From Drudge

    Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed anti-anxiety drug in June

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...-drug-in-june/

    Stephen Paddock, who killed at least 58 people and wounded hundreds more in Las Vegas on Sunday with high-powered rifles, was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has learned.
    Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21.
    A woman who answered the phone at Winkler’s office would not make him available to answer questions and would neither confirm nor deny that Paddock was ever a patient.
    Paddock purchased the drug — its brand name is Valium — without insurance at a Walgreens store in Reno on the same day it was prescribed. He was supposed to take one pill a day.
    Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodiazepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam can also trigger psychotic experiences, according to drugabuse.com.

    “If somebody has an underlying aggression problem and you sedate them with that drug, they can become aggressive,” said Dr. Mel Pohl, chief medical officer of the Las Vegas Recovery Center. “It can disinhibit an underlying emotional state. … It is much like what happens when you give alcohol to some people … they become aggressive instead of going to sleep.”
    Pohl, who spoke to the Review-Journal from the Netherlands, said the effects of the drug also can be magnified by alcohol.
    A 2015 study published in World Psychiatry of 960 Finnish adults and teens convicted of homicide showed that their odds of killing were 45 percent higher during time periods when they were on benzodiazepines.
    A year earlier, the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry published a study titled, “Benzodiazepine Use and Aggressive Behavior.” The authors wrote: “It appears that benzodiazepine use is moderately associated with subsequent aggressive behavior.”

    Dr. Michael First, a clinical psychiatry professor at Columbia University and expert on benzodiazepines, said the Finnish study speaks for itself. But he also told the Review-Journal on Tuesday that he believes the drugs would be more likely to fuel impulsive aggression than premeditated behavior.
    “What this man in Las Vegas did was very planned,” he noted, referring to reports that Paddock sneaked an arsenal of weapons into the Mandalay Bay and placed cameras inside and outside his room before launching his attack.
    Why was it prescribed?
    First said it would be important to discover why Paddock was prescribed the drug.
    “That may have more to do with why he did what he did,” First said.

    The Nevada state monitoring report also noted that Winkler prescribed 50 10-milligram tablets of diazepam to Paddock in 2016. He also filled that prescription the day it was written, this time at Evergreen Drugs in Henderson. It was for two tablets a day.
    Questions have long swirled around whether psychiatric drugs are linked to mass school shootings in the United States, though researchers have yet to find a definitive connections, despite several studies.
    Critics of unscientific linkage in the news media and on social media between psychiatric drugs and violence say it stigmatizes those who benefit from their use. That, in turn, can make people quit using medications that can actually be lifesavers, they say.
    FYI, diazepam has also been used by snipers to settle any tremors. Not that this means anything, but it's another consideration.
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    The Sheriff just reported that NONE of the cameras set up by the shooter in his room and the hallway were running.

    ...seems plausible.

    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    VERY interesting video. Check out the flashes in the beginning 10 seconds. Doesn't sound like gun fire and there are flashes in the crowd.



    This whole thing is extremely weird. At this point, I'm going to conclude there was a small actual shooting, definitely false flaggery and media hoaxing all rolled into one well planned production. It would make sense, assuming confusion is the goal, since we'd all be right (and wrong) and our arguments pointless.
    It's pretty easy to see the 4th floor center flashing light. It doesn't look exactly like it did on the cab driver video - many cameras don't have 60fps or whatever. It's close to the bottom, could be the 4th floor, definitely if the bottom row was floor 1, directly in the center. 19 columns total, and the one it's in is 10th from the left or right. 9 columns separated by lights on the left, 9 on the right, and the one in the middle, toward the bottom, I'd say 4th floor, when "1st floor" looks like about 4 floors up. Right in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The Sheriff just reported that NONE of the cameras set up by the shooter in his room and the hallway were running.
    sounds like a lie.

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    The Sheriff looks exhausted, says he's not getting briefed on a lot of new information. The FBI's clearly in charge at this point.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    He might have switched windows. The windows are on different faces of the building. The volume would be different.

    Whether the difference would be enough to explain that audio I don't know.
    You did notice the vast difference in sound though, right? And these are rooms 30 floors up? adjacent rooms? I can get the idea that the noise wouldn't be identical, but there was no comparison, the 1st burst and echo was loud, the 3rd burst and echo was loud. The 2nd burst and echo were very faint. From 30 floors away, there wouldn't be such a vast different in sound levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    You did notice the vast difference in sound though, right? And these are rooms 30 floors up? adjacent rooms? I can get the idea that the noise wouldn't be identical, but there was no comparison, the 1st burst and echo was loud, the 3rd burst and echo was loud. The 2nd burst and echo were very faint. From 30 floors away, there wouldn't be such a vast different in sound levels.
    I did. It's not just that the windows were separated by a couple dozen feet. It's that they were on different faces of the building.

    Stand in your living room and listen to the TV. Then go around the corner into an adjacent room. Major sound difference.

    Again, I don't know if that can account for the volume difference we're hearing, but it seems plausible to me.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    You did notice the vast difference in sound though, right? And these are rooms 30 floors up? adjacent rooms? I can get the idea that the noise wouldn't be identical, but there was no comparison, the 1st burst and echo was loud, the 3rd burst and echo was loud. The 2nd burst and echo were very faint. From 30 floors away, there wouldn't be such a vast different in sound levels.
    Layout- different sides of the building so there could be significant differences in sound volume (cab driver would have been to the left of this):


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.270bbde6f823
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    Reports that there's evidence (what evidence I don't know) that Paddock was trying to escape.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Reports that Paddock rented a room the week before in the Ogden hotel overlooking the Life in Beautiful concert now confirmed by Sherriff.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Reports that Paddock rented a room the week before in the Ogden hotel overlooking the Life in Beautiful concert now confirmed by Sherriff.
    If I had a ton of money and liked concerts, those hotels (if you can hear), might be good places to watch concerts from, like skyboxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Layout- different sides of the building so there could be significant differences in sound volume (cab driver would have been to the left of this):


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.270bbde6f823


    Significant, maybe, not vast, not what's on the video. It's still supposedly 30+ floors up.

    If you listen to how loud it was, that did not sound like something that was 30+ floors up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I did. It's not just that the windows were separated by a couple dozen feet. It's that they were on different faces of the building.

    Stand in your living room and listen to the TV. Then go around the corner into an adjacent room. Major sound difference.

    Again, I don't know if that can account for the volume difference we're hearing, but it seems plausible to me.


    Well, stand in your living room, and go into a different room, and compare how loud the neighbors tv is. The cab driver was 30+ floors below. It would be different, the angle is different, but one sounds right there, and one sounds very distant.

    If you were to know nothing about what the official story was, and you just saw the video, you'd think that when she saw the flashing light around the 4th floor, and said something that she recognized where it was, you'd think that the 4th floor is where the loud gunfire sounds were coming from, and somewhere farther away, like the 32nd floor, is where the faint gunfire was coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    Well, stand in your living room, and go into a different room, and compare how loud the neighbors tv is. The cab driver was 30+ floors below. It would be different, the angle is different, but one sounds right there, and one sounds very distant.

    If you were to know nothing about what the official story was, and you just saw the video, you'd think that when she saw the flashing light around the 4th floor, and said something that she recognized where it was, you'd think that the 4th floor is where the loud gunfire sounds were coming from, and somewhere farther away, like the 32nd floor, is where the faint gunfire was coming from.
    There is also a moment early in the cabbie's video where the loud gunfire ends and the quieter fire begins less than a second later. Nobody moves that fast.

    You do realize that the horizontal band of gold lighting is at least four floors up, right? Look at the cabbie's vid again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    Well, stand in your living room, and go into a different room, and compare how loud the neighbors tv is. The cab driver was 30+ floors below. It would be different, the angle is different, but one sounds right there, and one sounds very distant.

    If you were to know nothing about what the official story was, and you just saw the video, you'd think that when she saw the flashing light around the 4th floor, and said something that she recognized where it was, you'd think that the 4th floor is where the loud gunfire sounds were coming from, and somewhere farther away, like the 32nd floor, is where the faint gunfire was coming from.
    Well, I don't think either of us know enough about acoustics to do the math and get a real answer.

    Suffice it to say, that audio clip doesn't convince me there was a second shooter.
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There is also a moment early in the cabbie's video where the loud gunfire ends and the quieter fire begins less than a second later. Nobody moves that fast.
    That would be an echo, I presume.

    Loud soft soft = single shooter + echoes

    Loud soft soft ...[45 seconds] ... soft = second shooter further away (or the guy moved as I suggested)

    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Echoes don't last that long.

    Didn't I hear that the officials said he broke one window to shoot from and the other for a camera?
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    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Echoes don't last that long.
    You said "the loud gunfire ends and the quieter fire begins less than a second later."

    Didn't I hear that the officials said he broke one window to shoot from and the other for a camera?
    Maybe, I thought I heard them list three cameras: 1 in the hallway, 1 looking out the peephole, 1 in the living room.

    *none of which were running, according to them, which I don't believe
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The Sheriff looks exhausted, says he's not getting briefed on a lot of new information. The FBI's clearly in charge at this point.
    Curious - all you law and order types...what gives the FBI jurisdiction in this case?
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by parocks View Post
    sounds like a lie.
    indeed. . . and about as believable as Mr Paddock setting up these cameras and all these booby traps to begin with. . . and seeing Campos come to the door and firing through the door. . . did Campos see Paddock ? or only his lifeless body after the door was breached ?

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    What could have been his aim in renting a room in the other hotel overlooking the other event a week before?

    It's being described as a "dry run," but that makes no sense to me. What was he testing? Lugging around heavy bags?
    "The program of liberalism, ...if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property..."

    -Ludwig von Mises

    "Patriotism, not nationalism, should inspire the citizen. The ethnic nationalist who wants a linguistically and culturally uniform nation is akin to the racist who is intolerant toward those who look (and behave) differently. The patriot is a "diversitarian"; he is pleased, indeed proud of the variety within the borders of his country; he looks for loyalty from all citizens. And he looks up and down, not left and right."

    -Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

    "The monarch is a responsible person. The fact that a monarch is responsible "to God alone," rather than to an assembly or a popular majority, is rather shocking to an agnostic mind; but while God cannot be fooled, the masses can. While it is perhaps true that "one cannot fool all the people all the time," it seems one can fool millions for centuries."

    -Ibid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    indeed. . . and about as believable as Mr Paddock setting up these cameras and all these booby traps to begin with. . . and seeing Campos come to the door and firing through the door. . . did Campos see Paddock ? or only his lifeless body after the door was breached ?
    http://abc7chicago.com/security-guar...-room/2490027/

    Campos, who was working as a security guard, was unarmed as he approached Paddock's room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay, according to The Daily Beast. Paddock, who had rigged cameras in the hallway and in his room, saw Campos coming and shot at him through the door, hitting him in the leg.

    After he was shot, Campos radioed his location to the casino dispatch, who shared the information with law enforcement.

    "We received information via their dispatch center...that helped us locate where this individual was sequestered," said Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo. "We would not have engaged this individual in the time lapse we did without their assistance."

    Las Vegas SWAT was able to gain entry into Paddock's suite about an hour after the first shots were fired. Paddock was found dead inside the room from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
    Campos was not armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    There is also a moment early in the cabbie's video where the loud gunfire ends and the quieter fire begins less than a second later. Nobody moves that fast.

    You do realize that the horizontal band of gold lighting is at least four floors up, right? Look at the cabbie's vid again.
    I have thought before that some of these shootings are actually targeted assassinations and then turned into fake, politically expedient "mass shootings" by media and law enforcement. That would explain why some of the early gun fire sounds very real and loud but then turns into something that doesn't sound much like gun fire to me. It would also fit the original narrative of 2 killed and 20-something injured. Perhaps the 2 were targeted? I'd like to know who the first two reported deaths were. Just food for thought but I think we can all pretty much agree that the official stories are a load of bs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Curious - all you law and order types...what gives the FBI jurisdiction in this case?
    Nothing. Except maybe a gutless Sheriff who lets them 'take charge.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I have thought before that some of these shootings are actually targeted assassinations and then turned into fake, politically expedient "mass shootings" by media and law enforcement. That would explain why some of the early gun fire sounds very real and loud but then turns into something that doesn't sound much like gun fire to me. It would also fit the original narrative of 2 killed and 20-something injured. Perhaps the 2 were targeted? I'd like to know who the first two reported deaths were. Just food for thought but I think we can all pretty much agree that the official stories are a load of bs.
    If you wanted to kill two people, trying to take them out in the middle of 20,000 is not a smart move. Taking out (killing or wounding) at least 500 more would be overkill too (bad pun). A good assassin would not have attempted it. Private area. Sniper rifle. Single bullet. Not twenty two semiautomatic weapons and thousands of rounds.

    The original reporting from scenes like this are usually sketchy and often inaccurate. The story changes as more facts come to light. Doesn't mean there was a cover-up.
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    ^^^And I rather doubt that anyone standing around at an outdoors country music concert would warrant such attention.

    If it were the VIP boxes at a stadium, that might make more sense.
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    -Ibid.

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