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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The conspiracy nutters on Facebook seem to have written this off after confirming there was a dance party on that floor.
    Figures. Debunking of conspiracies never travel as far and wide as the conspiracies themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why would a strobe have to be a reflection, and not an actual strobe inside the building, either in a room or at the end of a hall?
    Don't ask me, ask Angela. She's the one indicating she's wedded to the theory--in between lectures on critical thinking. As for me...

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Could it be a strobe inside the room? Possibly. If so, why is there no announcement indicating that? Did no one follow up? Really?
    According to the scanner recording of the LVMPD, that was noticed by officers on the ground, but no one seems to have investigated any part of the hotel below the 31st floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Figures. Debunking of conspiracies never travel as far and wide as the conspiracies themselves.
    I was floored that they actually debunked their own theory. I expected to hear "Of course, we don't have any video from anybody who was actually at the party...."
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

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    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Don't ask me, ask Angela. She's the one indicating she's wedded to the theory--in between lectures on critical thinking. As for me...



    According to the scanner recording of the LVMPD, that was noticed by officers on the ground, but no one seems to have investigated any part of the hotel below the 31st floor.
    Might check facts first.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las...ter/index.html

    A team of six officers spoke with security at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, where Paddock was staying, and searched the hotel floor-by-floor Sunday night before they found Paddock's room, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters.
    It took about an hour to find the right floor.

    It took 72 minutes from the first 911 call for law enforcement to breach the shooter’s hotel room, NBC News reports.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-04-2017 at 11:51 AM.
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    And while we're focusing on this, Trump announced that Puerto Rico's $70 billion debt will be wiped out. PR bonds are crashing, markets are reacting and is probably a trigger of a whole lot of credit default swaps. Since PR is a US territory, a PR default could be viewed as a US default! Potentially a much bigger deal than what happened in Vegas...

    Always good to remember to watch what the other hand is doing while our attention is being directed somewhere else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Don't ask me, ask Angela. She's the one indicating she's wedded to the theory--in between lectures on critical thinking.


    .
    Pretty sure I said just the opposite. Let me scroll up and check....
    Critical thinking involves logic. Logic dictates that disproving one theory does not prove another. I'm not invested in my theory.
    Yep. That seems to be proof.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Who benefits from this? This is worth watching:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Um, they were at the thirty-first floor before the shooting stopped--within nine minutes of the first call they received at their dispatch center. Nothing on the radio indicates there were more than half a dozen officers involved. Does that sound like a particularly thorough, room-by-room search to you?

    Admittedly a hallway check wouldn't have found a strobe light in a room, while it presumably would rule out a fully automatic weapon, which makes a sound difficult to muffle. But the question remains. How did they get multiple reports of flashes from a window in that location and never follow up? And if they did follow up, why are we getting no explanations other than from random facebook posters?

    And why do you keep insisting a window must be completely broken out to pass rounds less than half an inch in diameter?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2017 at 11:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    According to the scanner recording of the LVMPD, that was noticed by officers on the ground, but no one seems to have investigated any part of the hotel below the 31st floor.
    According to the scanner I heard, the cops were going floor by floor via the stairwell. When they got to 31 a cop said it was coming from the floor above him.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    But think of the crime they accused him of committing, the planning involved is not something some with a druag addled mind could pull off.
    And not something a cranky old fart could carry off without more evidence. They keep talking about the wire transfers. Where are the sales records for the weapons and ammo? When the Menendez brothers killed their parents, the sales record of the gun from WalMart was one of the first things reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    And why do you keep insisting a window must be completely broken out to pass rounds less than half an inch in diameter?
    Never said that. Here's a thought: stop using the word "you."

    Still waiting for evidence that the window was altered in some manner .
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Figures. Debunking of conspiracies never travel as far and wide as the conspiracies themselves.
    See something, say something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    According to the scanner I heard, the cops were going floor by floor via the stairwell. When they got to 31 a cop said it was coming from the floor above him.
    Well, yeah, that's what I said, or was trying to say. They don't seem to have gone into any of the rooms on the first 31 floors.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Never said that. Here's a thought: stop using the word "you."

    Still waiting for evidence that the window was altered in some manner .
    He (stop being paranoid long enough to note who I was responding to in that post) replied to every mention of the lower room with the statement that the window had not been broken out, long after the possibility of glass cutters and high speed drills had been mentioned repeatedly. So don't say he never indicated that.

    And I'm still waiting for proof it wasn't. So, it appears neither of us has a leg to kick with.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2017 at 12:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
    This government is Not Somebody Else's Problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And I'm still waiting for proof it wasn't. So, it appears neither of us has a leg to kick with.
    Can't prove a negative. I could jump in a car, drive over, take pictures of the intact glass, and people would simply claim it had been replaced.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Um, they were at the thirty-first floor before the shooting stopped--within nine minutes of the first call they received at their dispatch center. Nothing on the radio indicates there were more than half a dozen officers involved. Does that sound like a particularly thorough, room-by-room search to you?

    Admittedly a hallway check wouldn't have found a strobe light in a room, while it presumably would rule out a fully automatic weapon, which makes a sound difficult to muffle. But the question remains. How did they get multiple reports of flashes from a window in that location and never follow up? And if they did follow up, why are we getting no explanations other than from random facebook posters?

    And why do you keep insisting a window must be completely broken out to pass rounds less than half an inch in diameter?
    Show us a window with bullet holes in it- other than the two on the 32nd floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Show us a window with bullet holes in it-...
    "Us." LOL
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    I do think that ID should be required for certain things like carrying a concealed weapon...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Show us a window with bullet holes in it- other than the two on the 32nd floor.
    @Dark_Horse_Rider already posted this:

    Those windows can be removed from the inside
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    And not something a cranky old fart could carry off without more evidence. They keep talking about the wire transfers. Where are the sales records for the weapons and ammo? When the Menendez brothers killed their parents, the sales record of the gun from WalMart was one of the first things reported.
    There is an interview with the gunshop owner that sold him guns last week on the same page as the cbs interview with the brother that is linked to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    @Dark_Horse_Rider already posted this:
    A link to that being possible? (probably not something a casual person can do- they are usually sealed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Can't prove a negative. I could jump in a car, drive over, take pictures of the intact glass, and people would simply claim it had been replaced.
    It would be extraordinarily simple to prove all the windows on that wing were intact Monday morning, if a photo had been taken of it Monday morning. None have come to light, despite all the photos taken of the upper floors of that wing at that time.

    Unless and until one does, no proof is no proof. And a lack of proof supports no position at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The flashing light seemed to be continuous, but the sounds are shorter bursts.

    It would be interesting to know if there is anything in that hotel that might flash like that. Emergency exits? Fire alarms? Strobe lights?
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why would a strobe have to be a reflection, and not an actual strobe inside the building, either in a room or at the end of a hall?
    I reviewed the cabbie's video, and in that one the flashing and the sound seem to coincide. All other videos that show it don't show it flashing continuously. There are reports of multiple shooters, and even the dispatch recording includes a report by a police officer of a shooter on the ground near one of the gates, for what that's worth. A second shooter would certainly account for gunshot sounds occurring when the 'strobe' is not flashing.

    The light does not seem to illuminate the room. Who brings a strobe to a dance party and sets it against the window, pointed out?

    I'm not saying this is something. But I'm not ready to say there is proof it is nothing, either.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2017 at 12:24 PM.
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    Sure, the windows can be removed from the inside, but it takes special equipment to do it. It takes a long time. Those are not your stock windows from Lowe's. There would have been a blockade on the ground and a whole lot of hoopla. A big window like that would do a lot of damage on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It would be extraordinarily simple to prove all the windows on that wing were intact Monday morning, if a photo had been taken of it Monday morning. None have come to light, despite all the photos taken of the upper floors of that wing at that time.

    Unless and until one does, no proof is no proof. And a lack of proof supports no position at all.
    Surely with all the internet conspiracy people looking for one, if there was one, it would have been found.

    This shot shows the largest number of windows I have found so far:

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-04-2017 at 12:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Surely with all the internet conspiracy people looking for one, if there was one, it would have been found.
    I'm not combing the internet for conspiracies. I'm just a fat little grandma who thinks the narrative does not add up to what happens in real life.

    Zip, you need a different avatar. I don't like this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A link to that being possible? (probably not something a casual person can do- they are usually sealed).
    A casual person would also not be able to shoot those guns for 10+ minutes straight- let alone carry them all to the 32nd floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Surely with all the internet conspiracy people looking for one, if there was one, it would have been found.

    This shot shows the largest number of windows I have found so far:

    Surely the LVMPD sealed off about seven city blocks. The authorities sealed off a bigger area than that after the Murrah Building bombing. I have photographic proof of that. So who could have gotten such a photograph? I doubt photographic evidence--one way or the other--exists, no matter how many people may have wanted to get some at the time.

    That image shows the largest number of windows of any I have seen, too. And it not only lacks the resolution to make out a one-inch hole, it specifically does not show the window in question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Douglas Adams
    'An SEP is something we can't see, or don't see, or our brain doesn't let us see, because we think that it's somebody else's problem. That’s what SEP means. Somebody Else’s Problem. The brain just edits it out, it's like a blind spot.'
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    I want to know who saw the glass fall from those broken windows. The streets seem to have been full of people. Those big chunks of glass would have been seen when they fell. Damage to cars? People injured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Zip, you need a different avatar. I don't like this one.
    Probably some kind of reference to the Catalonia mess since that's where Dali was born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A link to that being possible? (probably not something a casual person can do- they are usually sealed).
    Again, if this was as orchestrated as it seems. . . not dealing with casual people. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It would be extraordinarily simple to prove all the windows on that wing were intact Monday morning, if a photo had been taken of it Monday morning. None have come to light, despite all the photos taken of the upper floors of that wing at that time.

    Unless and until one does, no proof is no proof. And a lack of proof supports no position at all.

    This is a good photo because it is taken from by the stage and shows the angles. There are no broken widows besides those on the 32nd floor. And a room on the fourth floor would not have a decent angle for shooting anybody at the concert. (borrowed from a post earlier in this thread).

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-04-2017 at 12:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    A casual person would also not be able to shoot those guns for 10+ minutes straight- let alone carry them all to the 32nd floor.
    He was in the room(s) for a few days. He didn't carry them all up at once. Heck he could have put them in guitar cases and had the bellhops carry them up.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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