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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Sedatives plus alcohol combination is known to decrease your focus, concentration and just make u too lethargic to execute any extensive plan u think of.

    Essentially I think he wouldnt be able to do what they are saying he did.
    It's also known to kill people. Many of these celebrity deaths include benzos in the list of drugs found in their blood. Bad combinations there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Weird interview with his brother. My take-away? Steve had a LOT of money, and all the kids are weird.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-b...a-second-time/
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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Watched most of the video so far with the brother. Honestly, I don't really think he's all that weird. He just seems like one of those types of people who will ramble on and on and on if someone lets him (and these reporters are sure letting him). Looks like he's still in shock and trying to wrap his brain around all of this. He definitely should just stop giving interviews.
    I just lold when the brother says,
    "i did dumbstufff as a teenager. I dont have a criminal record cuz im smarter than the average bear and i knew to hang out with people dumber than myself and would get caught faster"

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    Just watched David Knight's show and at the very end, "CIA" and "military" insider psychiatrist Steve Pieczenik totally weirded out about LV and claimed that nobody died and said that AJ is being intimidated into not going along with the Sandy Hoax.

    Totally weird. I think Pieczenik is a one-man psyop or he has dementia.

    Or is he right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    fwiw, DW says they rarely prescribe valium for anxiety any longer, it is most often prescribed for muscle issues or back pain. something about half-life or whatever...
    Xanax is the new Valium. Ask any of the kids (or adults for that matter, where the kids steal them from). Especially popular for treating adverse side effects of smoking too much dope.
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    I know that Rambo could do it, but how could some weak looking elderly man shoot 1000 times in 9-11 minutes?
    This would of course become even more difficult if he was poisoned with psychiatric drugs.

    Here’s the picture of Stephen Paddock’s hotel room. Where are the (more than) 1000 shells?


    Here’s the released picture of the dead shooter Paddock (this looks fake and very bloody): http://letsrollforums.com//imagehosting/359d42c6b6ac14.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It's also known to kill people. Many of these celebrity deaths include benzos in the list of drugs found in their blood. Bad combinations there.
    Yes, respiratory depression is something to watch out for when mixed with opioids, it almost would never kill you if you take the recommended dose of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    The windows don't open. The easiest way to disprove this would be to look at the window. Is it broken out? No? Then there was no one shooting from that floor...
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Honestly, I think it might have been a reflection of the lights from the stage across the street.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    1. Those ~10th floor flashes showed up on multiple videos from multiple angles. That does not happen with reflections. One of those videos was shot from a moving cab, and there was no hint of distortion. Large windows are pretty much never mirror-flat, and even if they were a reflection would seem to move within the pane when seen from on the move.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Annnnd away we go......

    I'm off this crazy train.
    You know, my initial thought was, this woman is inferring I'm crazy for believing in the existence of glass cutters and/or high speed drills, therefore this comment really isn't worth responding to.

    But on further reflection, perhaps we really should examine the definition of 'crazy'.

    Optical physics is peer-reviewed, easily replicable physical science. You like peer-reviewed, easily replicable, universally-accepted science, don't you? Well then. What does peer-reviewed, universally accepted physical science say about someone who believes that a strobe light caddy-corner across the street and more than fifty feet below a mirrored surface being directed from a specific spot in a specific mirror to cameras which are at a location exactly perpendicular to the spot and above it, two cameras which are below it and at different positions, and one camera well below it and moving? Does the peer-reviewed, universally accepted physical science of optics advance any principle or equation which allows for one specific spot on a reasonably flat mirror to reflect a strobe light up, down, left, right, straight out, and at a moving target the whole time it's moving, all at the same time?

    Because, you know, if it does, I'd be very intrigued to read the treatise. And if it doesn't, then I think it's pretty clear which of two people, one who believes that can happen and one of which does not, is riding that train of which you speak.

    Could it be a strobe inside the room? Possibly. If so, why is there no announcement indicating that? Did no one follow up? Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Maybe he was mixing them with other drugs, or took them with alcohol?
    Mixing valium and alcohol has never been known to cause behaviors other than falling on one's face and excess drooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    He sure seems to have lost a lot of weight. Why has he got a sock on his hand? Does wearing a sock on your left hand make you a better marksman? How did he avoid getting any spent casings on that chair or in that ashtray?
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    I went out this morning to cut my hair and while I was getting my hair cut, there was a police office in the waiting area and he was talking about the whole incident being atypical of what he would have expected. For one, he thought the crime scene was staged, he thought there were multiple shooters(was showing people in there some youtube video with muzzle flashes from different windows and he made other points that I cannot remember now.

    I was going to join in but then again, I don't talk conspiracy theory in public. The funny thing is that many people do not believe govt narratives anymore which is good in my book
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You know, my initial thought was, this woman is inferring I'm crazy for believing in the existence of glass cutters and/or high speed drills, therefore this comment really isn't worth responding to.

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    Not being able to prove it didn't happen doesn't mean it did, bro.

    You're literally creating an alternate reality where an unbroken window allowed bullets to pass through it.
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    Who is to say, there isn't a window that slides for access to the outside of the building? It's not like it's impossible that there would be a maintenance window in that building that allows it to be opened and closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Dude. You're literally creating an alternate reality. One where an unbroken window allowed bullets to pass through it.
    So you are saying the existence of glass cutters and high speed drills is a crazy conspiracy theory. Thank you for confirming that. Or do you have a photo of that window taken Monday or yesterday which is high enough resolution to confirm there are no one-inch holes in it?

    Now. Are you denying you're creating an 'alternate reality' where the established properties of optics don't apply?

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    Those windows can be removed from the inside

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    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I spent a sleepless night watching videos and looking at pictures of the aftermath. How anyone could even begin to suggest that this was a hoax completely boggles my mind and will forever invalidate anything they ever post in the future.

    No. Not a hoax. Yes, the young girl shot in the video with blood pooling out of her mouth as he moved her head was a real person. Really dead- freshly so. The "my mom is a nurse" guy video shows carnage and loss of life. I also heard the cry for prayers from a family member on a radio show who's niece was in Surgury from being shot in the eye and that it wasn't looking good.

    I can certainly entertain the idea that this was a false flag, and that the shooting was carried out by someone other than or in conjunction with the suspected shooter. To suggest that it's a hoax is quite frankly disgusting in light of the sheer volume of evidence to the contrary.
    I haven't gone any farther than saying I believe it's a false flag. But I have seen a number of very strange things that are causing me to want to look into the whole thing more and more.

    BTW, what do you think about this tweet that someone posted the other day?



    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Ok, ok, the peanut gallery has spoken but who here denies that many of these "shootings" are actually training drills being passed off as real? If you don't accept that as at least a possibility then you've not followed these things closely enough in the past.

    If you can link me to the vid you are referencing @lilymc I'll certainly take a look. The lack of evidence of mass carnage is the biggest question here and the last vid I posted shows that. Where are all the dead bodies and 500+ injured people in that field?? Having said that, hypothetically, the training drills take place over the course of days, not hours. Lots of opportunities for staged and manipulated photos (the whole festival was 3 days long, not just sunday night, so several nights of darkness to capture whatever imagery is desired), Hollywood makeup effects (as seen in Boston legless guy, eg), prerecorded interviews, etc. Anybody that completely discounts psyops as a possibility is a naive fool, sorry. There's been enough of them now to be assured that they have the scripts down pat.

    The 4th floor shooter has been debunked. That light was flashing before the shooting started.
    I'm still looking into this whole thing. It is true that there is a definite lack of carnage in the videos of the actual shooting. I've seen a few, and they are definitely weird, and have a drill vibe, as you put it.

    However, the live leak footage contradicts the idea that it was a hoax. That said, I'm fully aware that we gotten to a point where the level of deception is so great that I honestly don't put anything past the people behind these types of events.

    Here is the liveleak footage… https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=956_1507066205
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    I think it's pretty damned clear a massacre happened. People put way too much credence in these calls for crisis actors. There is a need for crisis actors in any event where the facts and the official narrative are not supposed to be one and the same. Otherwise, you have embarrassing moments like CNN hastily cutting off the witness who was saying that there were definitely shooters on the ground, in the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This and how does this explain the multuple shooter angle? This is just a diversion u get with every shooter story.

    Dont fall for it.
    Mix it with stress and lack of sleep.

    There are other reports of a man running down the hallway dressed as security, he was shot and killed, presumably by police at this point.

    Also, is there any video of people actually being shot, or yelling that others or themselves have been shot? So far all the video is just of people laying on the ground, tripping around, and running or walking away.

    ETA: Also what about bullet ricocheting, surely most of those rounds were hitting asphalt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So you are saying the existence of glass cutters and high speed drills is a crazy conspiracy theory. Thank you for confirming that. Or do you have a photo of that window taken Monday or yesterday which is high enough resolution to confirm there are no one-inch holes in it?

    Now. Are you denying you're creating an 'alternate reality' where the established properties of optics don't apply?

    Enjoying your train ride?
    In my reality, the window is intact because - the window is intact. Nobody has seen holes in the glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    In my reality, the window is intact because - the window is intact. Nobody has seen holes in the glass.
    I don't suppose you can prove that?

    I can certainly prove that a strobe light flashing on the concert grounds could not be seen reflected in that particular window from all those angles. I'll show you my proof if you show me yours.
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    4:56 is key
    6:10 driver says it seems to be coming from ~10 floor of MB
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't suppose you can prove that?

    I can certainly prove that a strobe light flashing on the concert grounds could not be seen reflected in that particular window from all those angles. I'll show you my proof if you show me yours.
    Has anybody found any other broken windows in the Mandalay Bay hotel besides the two the shooter used?

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    windows opening- do any strip hotels have windows that open?
    Mar 05, 2008, 8:41 PM
    Does anyone know if any of the strip hotels have windows that open even an inch or two. I am staying with someone who has a phobia and the windows must open even if it is just a little bit, but through my search I am finding due to liability most don't. Was hoping someone who has stayed at any of the hotels could tell me. Thanks for your help!
    Re: windows opening- do any strip hotels have windows that open?
    Mar 06, 2008, 9:39 AM
    Is the phobia due to being closed in or the lack of air circulating?

    The Augustus Tower at Caesars Palace has a ventilation strip on the window sill. It slides open to let fresh air in, so that would take care of air circulating, but the windows do not open.

    Camille
    . Re: windows opening- do any strip hotels have windows that open?
    Mar 06, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Mandalay Bay also has those little "ventilation strips" that you can slide open if it's the phobia about air circulating...???
    So their widows don't open from the inside. No broken windows, no other shooters in the hotel.



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    Another issue that sealed-off windows avoid is the tragic rate of suicides in the city. CBS News reported in 2004 that a visitor to the city commits suicide more than once a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't suppose you can prove that?

    I can certainly prove that a strobe light flashing on the concert grounds could not be seen reflected in that particular window from all those angles. I'll show you my proof if you show me yours.
    Critical thinking involves logic Logic dictates that disproving one theory does not prove another. I'm not invested in my theory.

    But here's a sounder plan: prove your own theory. Prove the window was broken, was removed, or was altered. Golly, maybe it was constructed from some top secret material recovered from those aliens that crashed in the desert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_Horse_Rider View Post
    Those windows can be removed from the inside
    That makes sense. How would they replace broken windows if they couldn't remove them from the inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSP-Rebel View Post

    4:56 is key
    6:10 driver says it seems to be coming from ~10 floor of MB
    The flashing light seemed to be continuous, but the sounds are shorter bursts.

    It would be interesting to know if there is anything in that hotel that might flash like that. Emergency exits? Fire alarms? Strobe lights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't suppose you can prove that?

    I can certainly prove that a strobe light flashing on the concert grounds could not be seen reflected in that particular window from all those angles. I'll show you my proof if you show me yours.
    I know, I know, it's snopes but they're not always wrong.

    http://www.snopes.com/second-gunman-...-mandalay-bay/

    Big video toward bottom shows the light flashing during a totally different act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    That makes sense. How would they replace broken windows if they couldn't remove them from the inside?
    Window washers go up and down the outside of glass buildings all the time. Exterior scaffolds are built in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The flashing light seemed to be continuous, but the sounds are shorter bursts.

    It would be interesting to know if there is anything in that hotel that might flash like that. Emergency exits? Fire alarms? Strobe lights?
    The conspiracy nutters on Facebook seem to have written this off after confirming there was a dance party on that floor.
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    All this 'theorizing' is lame. Everyone needs to calm down and wait for actual evidence. Unless you are driving to vegas to examine $#@! yourself, pipe down with the conspiracy jargon. Watching videos on youtube is all well and good, it can keep us relatively informed, but there are many gaps and unknowns. Don't fill those gaps with conspiracy and crazy talk just because it feels good. Check your biases, think critically, and go only off what we know to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't suppose you can prove that?

    I can certainly prove that a strobe light flashing on the concert grounds could not be seen reflected in that particular window from all those angles. I'll show you my proof if you show me yours.
    Why would a strobe have to be a reflection, and not an actual strobe inside the building, either in a room or at the end of a hall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Window washers go up and down the outside of glass buildings all the time. Exterior scaffolds are built in.
    Maybe we will be able to see them replacing the broken windows.

    I doubt they will show us that though. There don't seem to be any screws on the outside of the building.

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    Found this on another site. Supposedly its a room service ordered that shows two guests. It has since been scrubbed from the persons facebook where it was first posted.
    USE THIS SITE TO LINK ARTICLES FROM OLIGARCH MEDIA:http://archive.is/ STARVE THE BEAST.
    More Government = Less Freedom
    Communism never disappeared it only changed its name to Social Democrat
    Emotion and Logic mix like oil and water

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