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    It's all very strange.

    What I know about hotel guests is that if they are setting up some kind of convention booth or display for a trade show they bring all kinds of cases and crates. It would not look unusual at all to a hotel employee. We have not seen any surveillance video from the hotel. It's a gold mine of evidence, no doubt.

    The girlfriend is still a person of interest. For good reason, I suspect.

    For now, we can care about the victims and do what we can to support them and just wait for the story to come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The Cabbie's Record (2nd shooter?)

    Beyond gunshots, that is quite a video of events that night.

    Edit: Ever wonder how the rumors start? Woman gets into cab and says "thousands dead!" It seemed like the cabbie then relays that over the radio to others. Later (same?) woman tells someone on the phone that there were "hundreds dead!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    1. Those ~10th floor flashes showed up on multiple videos from multiple angles. That does not happen with reflections. One of those videos was shot from a moving cab, and there was no hint of distortion. Large windows are pretty much never mirror-flat, and even if they were a reflection would seem to move within the pane when seen from on the move.

    2. I still haven't seen a video where any muzzle flashes at all are detectable from the 32nd floor end room where the shooter allegedly was.
    Annnnd away we go......

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    Here’s a picture of the crime scene that was convienently leaked to the press.
    This looks like an AR-15, set to semi auto. This could not be the rifle used in the shooting, but of course he had 22 more guns in the hotel room...


    Here’s the best video I’ve found of the shooting.


    Here a compilation of videos of the shooting.


    Here’s a video of 2 eye witnesses, claiming there were several shooters.


    Here’s the full version of the first released photo of the shooter Stephen Paddock, with his eyes closed, and Philipino girlfriend - Marilou Danley.


    Marilou Danley worked as a "casino professional".


    According to the (first) official story, Marilou Danley, the apparent girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, was detained. She was released after the Las Vegas Police Department determined she was not involved in the shooting: http://www.ibtimes.com/who-marilou-d...friend-2596262
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/X1QEG)

    Then it was claimed that the police later contacted Danley in Tokyo, Japan: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4uPbnYSMO
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/LvUwm)

    Marilou Danley, a Filipina, arrived in the Philippines on 25 September 2017. According to a Philippines Bureau of Immigration (BI) official, "She was not in the United States when the Las Vegas incident happened": http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/935202/...#ixzz4uRQ8Z9X2
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/qlXd8)

    Here’s his psychopath father, Benjamin Hoskins Paddock.


    Look at the following picture at the time of the shooting.
    Three policemen looking /aiming in different directions while two civilians stand out in the “danger” zone with their mobiles!
    Look at the devil’s horn sign image (in red!) on the stage screen in bottom left hand corner of the pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Unconfirmed yet but they are also checking to see if he rented the next unit too as a suite to see where he could get the best shots from.

    http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-sh...itation-675906



    NY Daily News also saying he had two rooms rented: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3535657





    There is a door between the two suites.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-shooting.html
    Pretty standard two bedroom resort condo. One of the bedrooms can be closed off to make it a one bedroom unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    Here's a picture of some victims?!?


    Here’s a picture of the crime scene that was convienently leaked to the press.
    This looks like an AR-15, set to semi auto. This could not be the rifle used in the shooting, but of course he had 22 more guns in the hotel room...


    Here’s the best video I’ve found of the shooting.


    Here a compilation of videos of the shooting.


    Here’s a video of 2 eye witnesses, claiming there were several shooters.


    Here’s the full version of the first released photo of the shooter Stephen Paddock, with his eyes closed, and Philipino girlfriend - Marilou Danley.


    Marilou Danley worked as a "casino professional".


    According to the (first) official story, Marilou Danley, the apparent girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, was detained. She was released after the Las Vegas Police Department determined she was not involved in the shooting: http://www.ibtimes.com/who-marilou-d...friend-2596262
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/X1QEG)

    Then it was claimed that the police later contacted Danley in Tokyo, Japan: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4uPbnYSMO
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/LvUwm)

    Marilou Danley, a Filipina, arrived in the Philippines on 25 September 2017. According to a Philippines Bureau of Immigration (BI) official, "She was not in the United States when the Las Vegas incident happened": http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/935202/...#ixzz4uRQ8Z9X2
    (archived here: http://archive.fo/qlXd8)

    Here’s his psychopath father, Benjamin Hoskins Paddock.


    Look at the following picture at the time of the shooting.
    Three policemen looking /aiming in different directions while two civilians stand out in the “danger” zone with their mobiles!
    Look at the devil’s horn sign image (in red!) on the stage screen in bottom left hand corner of the pic.
    There's 4 cops there and the "devil sign" is a myth from the 80s.

    Funny how those regular Joes are standing there in the open without fear while the coppers are posed for the pivtite.

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    My suspicion is that we will eventually see some connection to the girlfried. Looks like she found her sugar daddy, surrounded him with her peeps, and here we go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Once the shooting started SWAT couldn't do much according to a story I heard on TV.
    It is not uncommon for SWAT to wait until the shooting subsides.
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    Even highly trained Navy Seals would have a difficult time running a full auto weapon for 10 minutes straight. Such weapon systems are brutal on the operator. They require tremendous strength, stamina and expert troubleshooting to keep running.


    More misinfo from the shooting expert at Natural News.

    Come back about strength when the reports say somone was continuously shooting a .500 Colt or Desert Eagle with one hand. Or even an old high power bolt action with a steel butt plate. An old Tommy gun has a bit of a kick, but modern gas operated automatics? Eh, grandma could shoot that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    For 72 minutes without being stopped? From a known location?

    I am a nobody, no military or law enforcement background. I could circled around to the backside of the building, rode an elevator, kicked in this guy door and killed him within 10-15 mins.

    It's awfully suspicious this went on so long.
    There is an article on ZH that explains they did not know where the shooting was coming from. Most past mass shootings occur on site and that is where the police went. A guy at the hotel tried calling 911 to tell them that the shooting was occurring on the floor above but took a while to get a hold of anyone to respond. Sounds plausible with all the confusion. When seconds count...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I was actually agreeing with the last sentence:
    The whole question of why so many rifles is stupid. The real question is, why not more?

    If they are all loaded with a fresh magazine, you can swap weapons without having to change mags. It also gives them time to cool after firing. It never hurts to have extras ready to fire.

    A cheap AR15 would fail fairly quickly going full auto for a long time. Might get 200-700 rounds through. But it would get too hot to handle pretty quickly too.
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    It kinda seems like some of this just doesn't add up, but if the undeniable truth doesn't materialize soon we may never know what really went down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    It kinda seems like some of this just doesn't add up, but if the undeniable truth doesn't materialize soon we may never know what really went down.
    Well, you better get yourself prepared...


    There will always be lingering questions. Some of them will be valid, others just plain ridiculous. I always say this as people try to make sense of these events: the main focus should be on why we question the official story - not trying to fill the gaps with speculation. The more narrow your version of the "truth" gets, the more you isolate other people. But nearly everyone can agree that something is fishy here and we're not sure we're getting the whole story.
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    Watch for something in connection with the girlfriend. It sounds like she was a casino "professional", whatever that is. Look at the job requirements for almost any kind of casino job in Las Vegas. They all have to be bonded, background checked, etc. If she wasn't an actual employee of a casino, then draw your own conclusions.

    We have not seen any actual hotel surveillance video. My guess is, we won't. If there was something on the video to promote the narrative, we would have already seen it. Something else is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The whole question of why so many rifles is stupid. The real question is, why not more?

    If they are all loaded with a fresh magazine, you can swap weapons without having to change mags. It also gives them time to cool after firing. It never hurts to have extras ready to fire.

    A cheap AR15 would fail fairly quickly going full auto for a long time. Might get 200-700 rounds through. But it would get too hot to handle pretty quickly too.
    The question was not about how many rifles but how in the hell did he get the rifles into the room w/o being detected.
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    The question I have about this tragedy, is why is no one talking about motive? The MSM is focused on the guns, how many, etc. They have never mentioned motive of the killer. Obvious they are trying to use the emotion of the event to scare people into giving up their freedoms.

    Gunny saw the guys facebook. Said it was very left leaning and the guy is probably a diehard socialist. IF or when that gets public knowledge it destroys the gun control narrative. I also think there was two shooters. The other guy ran away dressed as a security guard ( there were multiple witnesses) being pursued by other security guards. There was a security guard killed on the floor where the supposed shooting happened.

    The motive was to kill right wingers (country music) to start a civil war. The authorities and ENEmedia would no way report that truth because 1. It does not fit the narrative of more gun control. 2. The emotion is too high which would cause retaliation on the socialists, thus creating more casualties if the truth of the motive was told.

    The left knows the likely motive, they openly mentioned it (gun toting republicans, likely trump voters) but will not say it. They have steered the conversation to gun control, like the orlando massacre when it was obvious it was an fundamentalist Islamist motivated by hate for homosexuals.

    The Investigators know the motive, but are not allowed to say because it could lead to more violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The question was not about how many rifles but how in the hell did he get the rifles into the room w/o being detected.
    People bring all manner of luggage, case, crates into hotels. There was a music festival wrapping up. There are also a lot of conventions in Las Vegas. Convention trade shows require a lot of stuff for booths, promotional materials, giveaways, etc. It's not hard to get stuff into a hotel with that kind of guest.

    There were all kinds of promotional booths at the festival. Those people were staying in hotels around the festival venue. Not any big surprise to see big containers going up and down. The surprise would be seeing how they went up to the 32nd floor, but then that's why we haven't seen the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    There's 4 cops there and the "devil sign" is a myth from the 80s.

    Funny how those regular Joes are standing there in the open without fear while the coppers are posed for the pivtite.
    Telling ya man, these guys are no responders; they can't operate but as a unit, and w/o commands they shrivel or they flip their $#@!. This massacre became a "warzone" largely because chain-of-command is a warzone lattice work. The only structure they know is warlike.

    Some MSM crap-interview was on in the lobby at work, and now they're saying Paddock was making a statement against the Vegas lifestyle... They're actually going there. No idea which cable news it was, but probably CNN or FOX. They never miss a chance to roll out the old therapist couch, for their psychobabbling witch-doctors to try and equivocate their way through a paper bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    The question I have about this tragedy, is why is no one talking about motive? The MSM is focused on the guns, how many, etc. They have never mentioned motive of the killer. Obvious they are trying to use the emotion of the event to scare people into giving up their freedoms.

    Gunny saw the guys facebook. Said it was very left leaning and the guy is probably a diehard socialist. IF or when that gets public knowledge it destroys the gun control narrative. I also think there was two shooters. The other guy ran away dressed as a security guard ( there were multiple witnesses) being pursued by other security guards. There was a security guard killed on the floor where the supposed shooting happened.

    The motive was to kill right wingers (country music) to start a civil war. The authorities and ENEmedia would no way report that truth because 1. It does not fit the narrative of more gun control. 2. The emotion is too high which would cause retaliation on the socialists, thus creating more casualties if the truth of the motive was told.

    The left knows the likely motive, they openly mentioned it (gun toting republicans, likely trump voters) but will not say it. They have steered the conversation to gun control, like the orlando massacre when it was obvious it was an fundamentalist Islamist motivated by hate for homosexuals.

    The Investigators know the motive, but are not allowed to say because it could lead to more violence.
    See? This is what I'm talking about. You begin this very rationally: Why have we not heard the motive? Then, you speculate that there were two shooters (as opposed to just questioning if there were accomplices). Finally, you go from questioning the motive to speculating on one of your own. You may be right, or you may be wrong, but you've gone from offering questions to offering conclusions. The acceptance level of your audience just got much, much smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The question was not about how many rifles but how in the hell did he get the rifles into the room w/o being detected.
    Some have said "he only needed one rifle", but getting them into the room would not be hard, especially with several days to do it.

    No one would question a person taking a piece of "luggage" to the room. And there are cases of all sizes and shapes regularly being carried or carted around Vegas for trade shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    Gunny saw the guys facebook. Said it was very left leaning and the guy is probably a diehard socialist. IF or when that gets public knowledge it destroys the gun control narrative. I also think there was two shooters. The other guy ran away dressed as a security guard ( there were multiple witnesses) being pursued by other security guards. There was a security guard killed on the floor where the supposed shooting happened.
    This is why you have not seen the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    The Cabbie's Record (2nd shooter?)

    So, in the middle of this the cabby has to whip out gender identity. "I'm a girl by the way." Let's make this about ME!!!. SMDH.
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    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

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    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Catching some news before going off to work...they are talking about large transfers of money to the Philippines. My guess is he was chosen by the girlfriend. They have been together for a while. My theory is she is behind the money transfers. She was overseas when this happened. I think that's where you will find your connection. It has very little to do with the guy.
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    One more point and I will be quiet for a while. This story will be told through all the cell phone video and eyewitness statements. There is no way for that to be squelched. We look at this through the filter of the internet and television, but the people who were on the ground, recording the concert, will be the ones who show the glaring gap between what happened and what the government says happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Catching some news before going off to work...they are talking about large transfers of money to the Philippines. My guess is he was chosen by the girlfriend. They have been together for a while. My theory is she is behind the money transfers. She was overseas when this happened. I think that's where you will find your connection. It has very little to do with the guy.
    That will be an interesting connection. Supposedly ISIS has a handhold in the Philippinnes. So perhaps ISIS claims might not be too unbelievable.

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    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    That will be an interesting connection. Supposedly ISIS has a handhold in the Philippinnes. So perhaps ISIS claims might not be too unbelievable.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ng-non-Muslims
    Poor dude was set up. I bet he was gone before the shooting started. Girlfriend needs to be brought back to the US pronto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    Poor dude was set up. I bet he was gone before the shooting started. Girlfriend needs to be brought back to the US pronto.
    I don't expect the narrative to change at this time. Perhaps in 10 yrs. an intrepid reporter will chase down the links. Until that time it will remain a 'lone-wolf' because anything other would show a tremendous failure on the part of America's intelligence agencies.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Some thoughts about the new evidence surfacing.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Why would they break those windows ?
    I bet you anything that the height of the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay where the windows are broken is just below the height of the capstone/all seeing eye on the Luxor. The 32nd floor reference is an occultist calling card as to who/what/why. There was no shooting out of the 32nd floor imo. It's symbolic and probably the location where the patsy was lured and killed. A symbolic sacrifice, even.

    Solely speculation on my part here but the widely circulated picture of the patsy shows him clearly drunk and the woman he was with is now always obscured. My bet is that he was a targeted patsy, lured to Vegas by that woman in the picture on behalf of her associates that planned this false flag, gotten absurdly drunk, that picture taken and then maneuvered into the room where he was killed. The shooting was from other rooms (acptulsa made a great point about ability to cut small shooting holes out of windows) and by military/intel operators of some origin. Many comments on various videos by people claiming to be military state that the fire sounds like SAW249 belt-feds, not ARs and AKs.

    Operation Gladio. Look it up. It's being used here right now. It's NWO stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The question was not about how many rifles but how in the hell did he get the rifles into the room w/o being detected.
    Suitcases? I've heard this question asked many times and it baffles me. I could get a hundred rifles and ammo into a hotel room without anyone noticing no problem. Separate the upper and lower receivers and pack them in a suitcase with some clothes. You could fit 2-3 per bag, police say there were 10 bags/luggage in room. This wouldn't even raise an eyebrow to see someone bringing multiple suitcases into a hotel suite... especially a high roller who forked over thousands and thousands of dollars for that hotel suite for those nights.
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